2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Lewis_D]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I agree. On the topic of kicking the legs out from under the team next season, I think the team needs to try to make at least 3 trades.

1) Offseason Andersson trade - blows up the D core by eliminating 1 of the only 2 established top 4 D that we have (although Bahl is showing he can handle the role too)

2) Mid-season Backlund trade - blows up the C depth and removes our defensive "plays against the other team's stars" center. Send Backlund to a cup contender to try and win.

3) Mid-season Coleman trade - Once you are sending Backlund out you may as well send Coleman too.

By January, Backlund will have a 15 team no-trade list and Coleman has a 10 team NTL. Finding a suitor should be easy enough and the only sticking point would be that the Flames are already retaining on Markstrom next season and will only be able to retain on 2 of these 3 players. It would be pretty fun if both players could be shipped to the same team.

Finally, the stretch goal would be to try and trade Huberdeau. He has had a tough journey on the Flames but this season is showing that he can rebuild himself into a star player. $10.5M is still a tough contract to move but with the salary cap going up, you have to think that one of the teams looking to come out of their rebuild would be interested in a ~30 goal winger.

Teams with cap space that may be trying to take that step: Sharks, Blackhawks, Blue Jackets, UHC, and Kraken. Canadiens and Red Wings may have interest but their cap situations do not really work.

I'd be pretty on board with this roadmap. Not as confident as you that we'd find a suitor for Huberdeau, and I'm pretty much reserved to having him around for the long run for better or worse.

Does Coleman currently have a 10 team NTC or does that kick into effect in Jan like Backs? If not I'd probably try to ship him during the offseason too.

[yourbestfriend]

Coleman, Kadri and Lomberg are not getting traded, nor should they be traded.
For years we've talked about our inability to attract free agents and building character in the room. Those three guys exemplify that (their also the only 3 guys on our team who have cups).
Why on earth would we go and trade them? Their value off the ice is just as important as their value on the ice.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

Coleman, Kadri and Lomberg are not getting traded, nor should they be traded.
For years we've talked about our inability to attract free agents and building character in the room. Those three guys exemplify that (their also the only 3 guys on our team who have cups).
Why on earth would we go and trade them? Their value off the ice is just as important as their value on the ice.

To get assets that will align with the Flames competitive window.

You think these 3 are on the team when all of our prospects are entering their competitive window?

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

To get assets that will align with the Flames competitive window.

You think these 3 are on the team when all of our prospects are entering their competitive window?

Yes I do. M.Tkachuk has gone out of his way multiple times to say that one of the most impactful players early in his career was Matt Stajan.
The fact that we have a lot of our prospects coming in shortly is precisely why I would not trade those guys.
A lot of the reason why Oilers 1.0 rebuild didn't work out was because you had too many young stars and not enough character guys.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

To get assets that will align with the Flames competitive window.

You think these 3 are on the team when all of our prospects are entering their competitive window?

Maybe not, but the guys these three mentored will be.

It's not hard to understand.

Conroy is clear about this when asked. He values culture over a scorched earth asset grab.

[Jason14h]

It’s hard to understand the thinking that culture is more important then more skilled assets for me

You know what builds a winning culture- winning

It’s a lot easier to find veterans to mentor then young skilled players

And at what point is trading old guys no
Longer scorched earth ? We already acquired Farabee and Frost
I assume we’ll do something with our cap space

Are we going to just hold onto guys like Coleman and Kadri forever if we get good offers ? When does the next generation of guys in the room start to step up

And TBH Kadri has a NTC so very different , but Coleman? If you get a good offer you take it and run

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

I'd be pretty on board with this roadmap. Not as confident as you that we'd find a suitor for Huberdeau, and I'm pretty much reserved to having him around for the long run for better or worse.

Does Coleman currently have a 10 team NTC or does that kick into effect in Jan like Backs? If not I'd probably try to ship him during the offseason too.

Coleman's NTL is now to the end of his contract. I assume he can update the list at the start of every season or is required to produce it when asked. I would be surprised if he is moved in the offseason but it would be a good move for team tank.

Watching Huberdeau this season, I think other teams are going to see that his goal scoring has returned and then consider that if Huberdeau can get ~30 goals on one of the worst goal scoring team in the league, then what could he do on a better team?

Columbus is in the playoff hunt right now and their forward group is pretty thin aside from their excellent young players (Werenski is their point leader). UHC is also trying to get into the playoffs and is lacking in a top line LW. Both of these teams have got to be thinking about what they need to do to go from a bubble team this year to a playoff team next year.

[AustinL_NHL]

Coleman should absolutely be one of the next guys out the door. Great character, great reputation, will get much more on the market vs other players of his caliber.

Holding onto players just because they're great guys to show the next core just doesn't make sense. If need be, make that your number 1 focus in free agency and overpay for high character players.

Get a great asset(s) for Coleman, then replace him with another high character player in free agency that can continue to show the young guys.

[keenan87]

At some point - the Flames do need to make room for the youngsters on defense.

Weegar and Bahl I would keep. Don't care for any of the other current dman.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

Yes I do. M.Tkachuk has gone out of his way multiple times to say that one of the most impactful players early in his career was Matt Stajan.
The fact that we have a lot of our prospects coming in shortly is precisely why I would not trade those guys.
A lot of the reason why Oilers 1.0 rebuild didn't work out was because you had too many young stars and not enough character guys.

Maybe ? Or maybe it didn’t work because they drafted 4 forwards , one who completely busted and had no D or G

It’s easy to say every failed rebuild was because of lack of mentorship but the oilers brought in veterans to do that . I guess they were just the wrong veterans

It’s always convenient that when a rebuild fails it’s because they didn’t have the right mentorship or leaders . Edmonton continued to suck for a large variety of reasons .

[Enoch Root]

Edmonton might be the clearest example in NHL history of what happens when you give the keys to the kids.

Did they also draft poorly? Yes. Were they poorly run, on multiple levels? Yes.

But the lack of leadership might have been the single biggest problem.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Coleman should absolutely be one of the next guys out the door. Great character, great reputation, will get much more on the market vs other players of his caliber.

Holding onto players just because they're great guys to show the next core just doesn't make sense. If need be, make that your number 1 focus in free agency and overpay for high character players.

Get a great asset(s) for Coleman, then replace him with another high character player in free agency that can continue to show the young guys.

Absolutely not trying to pick a fight but I don't think that works. I don't think you can drop in some other player and have them represent the pulse / character of the room.

Arguably we tried that back in the day with Brouwer and it was a bust. Not saying one example is definitive proof, but I suspect locker rooms are all unique so you can't just bring in someone and say 'hey guys he's the new Coleman'

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You can make stats say whatever you want. Guys that had more points as 18 YOs than Bedard include Clayton Keller and Jeff Skinner. Hawerchuk, Crosby and Lemieux had 100 pt seasons as 18 YOs. Bedard had 61. You are trying to make is sound like he had a historic season, but he is not in elite territory with 61 pts, he is in 'really good' territory.

Also, progression matters. Parekh went God-mode in the 2nd half of the season and literally put up historic numbers for a defenseman in the OHL. Bedard regressed - or, more accurate probably: he was basically flat to the prior year.

Bedard is a great player, but he is no where near what generational players were doing in their D+1 and D+2 years.

(also, I am not arguing that Parekh is better - my argument is that Bedard is over-rated)

Bedard had 61 points but he missed time with injury. He scored at a 74 point pace. That would put him 5th. And 3 of the 4 players ahead of him were in the very high scoring 80’s.

Crosby is the only 18 year old who got more than 64 points in the last 39 years.

If Bedard had not missed 14 games, he would have been the 2nd.

It was likely a historic season.

[AustinL_NHL]

Brouwer was gross mismanagement right from the start. The only player to ever block me on Twitter lol

But that is a fair point. You can never guarantee the same quality of leadership/direction from someone you bring in vs who you currently have on your team, but I thinks it's playing the odds

[UKflames]

Just a quick thought, but if we shift out Kadri, Huberdeau, Colemen, Andersson and dont sign any ufa's, how do we get to the cap floor, because we will be miles away from it even by adding some of the youngsters to the squad.

[Monahammer]

Stop using Buffalo or Edmonton as examples. They have other things going on at ownership/franchise levels that ensure they will not have success no matter what else is happening.

Pens gave the keys to Crosby (and Malkin, Letang, and Fleury) after only a single season with Mario (barely) and Gonchar. It resulted in one of the best decades in their franchise history.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Coleman's NTL is now to the end of his contract. I assume he can update the list at the start of every season or is required to produce it when asked. I would be surprised if he is moved in the offseason but it would be a good move for team tank.

Watching Huberdeau this season, I think other teams are going to see that his goal scoring has returned and then consider that if Huberdeau can get ~30 goals on one of the worst goal scoring team in the league, then what could he do on a better team?

Columbus is in the playoff hunt right now and their forward group is pretty thin aside from their excellent young players (Werenski is their point leader). UHC is also trying to get into the playoffs and is lacking in a top line LW. Both of these teams have got to be thinking about what they need to do to go from a bubble team this year to a playoff team next year.

Even if true, I think the term makes that contract unmovable still.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Bedard had 61 points but he missed time with injury. He scored at a 74 point pace. That would put him 5th. And 3 of the 4 players ahead of him were in the very high scoring 80’s.

Crosby is the only 18 year old who got more than 64 points in the last 39 years.

If Bedard had not missed 14 games, he would have been the 2nd.

It was likely a historic season.

Or, it is simply the case that there haven't been that many 18 year olds since Crosby. McDavid got hurt and missed a lot of time.

RNH was at a 69 pt pace. Celebrini is on a 71 pt pace. So no, 74 isn't that amazing. There was nothing historic about his season. Impressive, yes. Great, definitely. But that's about it.

Lemieux was 13th in scoring in his rookie year. Hawerchuk 12th, and Crosby was 6th. McDavid was on pace to finish 2nd. Bedard was on pace to finish T-41st. One of these things is not like the others.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Stop using Buffalo or Edmonton as examples. They have other things going on at ownership/franchise levels that ensure they will not have success no matter what else is happening.

Pens gave the keys to Crosby (and Malkin, Letang, and Fleury) after only a single season with Mario (barely) and Gonchar. It resulted in one of the best decades in their franchise history.

Please go into detail describing the ownership/franchise level issues that stopped Buffalo or Edmonton from succeeding.


You say to stop using that example then bring up the example where a generational player is picked and say that is the model we could follow. A generational player is the only reason Edmonton pulled themselves out of this mess as well.

So your suggestion to avoid the Buffalo model is to draft one of the best players of all time and it won’t be that big of a problem rebuilding.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Stop using Buffalo or Edmonton as examples. They have other things going on at ownership/franchise levels that ensure they will not have success no matter what else is happening.

Pens gave the keys to Crosby (and Malkin, Letang, and Fleury) after only a single season with Mario (barely) and Gonchar. It resulted in one of the best decades in their franchise history.

Recchi, Leclair, Gonchar, and some guy named Lemieux were all there for year one.

And Crosby quickly displayed leadership among the best we have ever seen. If Coronato turns into Crosby, then yeah, start moving the vets.