The Playoff Hunt. Flames Vs Wild Vs Blues

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

^ The Flames need to go 8-2 to make the playoffs, maybe 7-2-1 gets them there.
The Flames need to go 2-8, or win the lottery to get a top 10 pick.

5-5 it is!

[Caged Great]

Bump

Updated.

Important games tomorrow.

Detroit @ St. Louis (Go Wings Go)
Flames @ Utah
Oilers @ Vegas (technically only 1 point up on the Wild)

[Britflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Again, then outline specifically what you think the team should have done in order to do that. You know other than trade away several good players, and enter the season with one of the lowest cap hits in the league, a very weak blueline, no top line players, and questions in goal.

Really I have to tell you how to be a bad team, how about trading off Anderson and Weegar before the start of the season and replacing them with some older but worse players. Trade our backup goalkeeper for a worse one and then play him 50% of the time. There are a load of ways of getting to the bottom, but they did not even try, they still think they can do a reload. It has cost us a first round pick which should have been a low one.

This insane effort every year to get to the playoffs with a team that is clearly nowhere near good enough to win the cup and gets knocked out in the first round, just means we end up getting nowhere. The aim should be to win the cup and if you have a team that clearly is not even close to being good enough you do what you must to get good enough.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

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The aim should be to win the cup and if you have a team that clearly is not even close to being good enough you do what you must to get good enough.

I don't think that is the Flames business model, which is be as good as you can to keep the fans interested.

I think the feeling is that Calgary may not support a full blown rebuild like SJ and Chicago is doing.

Calgary's "retool" may look better today that the SJ and Hawk "scorched earth" rebuild model, but those teams are actually closer to getting to contender status that Calagry. Each has a foundation of young players in place to build upon, some of whom may reach elite status. Calgary's record is propped up by older players who won't be around if Calagry ever gets to contender status.

What would happen the Calgary's support if they finished bottom of the league for 3 years?

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Bump

Updated.

Important games tomorrow.

Detroit @ St. Louis (Go Wings Go)
Flames @ Utah
Oilers @ Vegas (technically only 1 point up on the Wild)

Jets at Kings

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Tsawwassen

Jets at Kings

If the Kings go 4-5 in their last 9 games (and the Kings are a good team playing well with 6 of 9 home games left, where they've lost 4 all season), Calgary needs to go 9-0 to catch them.

If Calagry goes 9-0, they'll catch someone, but likely not the Kings.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If the Kings go 4-5 in their last 9 games (and the Kings are a good team playing well with 6 of 9 home games left, where they've lost 4 all season), Calgary needs to go 9-0 to catch them.

If Calagry goes 9-0, they'll catch someone, but likely not the Kings.

Magic number for the Flames to pass LA is 14. So a Flames 9-0-0 and a 4-5-0 by LA would do the trick.

Tonight is a big night.
Magic numbers (Games/Points) for the Flames to finish 1 point ahead of the team. So no tie breaker is required if they hit the number.

Los Angles (14/28) 9 games left
Edmonton (13/26) 9 games left

Minnesota (10.5/21) 7 games left
St. Louis (10/20) 7 games left
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Vancouver (8/16) 8 games left
Utah (6.5/13) 8 games left

Flames 9 games left.

Obviously the big one is the combination of a Flames win and Blues loss. It would bring the magic number down to the same as games remaining for the Flames. Any time the team has games equal to or greater than the magic number, they control their destiny.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

Really I have to tell you how to be a bad team, how about trading off Anderson and Weegar before the start of the season and replacing them with some older but worse players. Trade our backup goalkeeper for a worse one and then play him 50% of the time. There are a load of ways of getting to the bottom, but they did not even try, they still think they can do a reload. It has cost us a first round pick which should have been a low one.

This insane effort every year to get to the playoffs with a team that is clearly nowhere near good enough to win the cup and gets knocked out in the first round, just means we end up getting nowhere. The aim should be to win the cup and if you have a team that clearly is not even close to being good enough you do what you must to get good enough.

If you expected them to use that type of explicit tanking (get a worse backup and play him more) then you will continue to be frustrated.

And I don't know how you can categorize it as an "insane effort every year to get to the playoffs" when they traded several good players, have a ton of cap space, and entered the season with a bad forward group, swiss cheese d, and unproven goalie.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I don't think that is the Flames business model, which is be as good as you can to keep the fans interested.

I think the feeling is that Calgary may not support a full blown rebuild like SJ and Chicago is doing.

Calgary's "retool" may look better today that the SJ and Hawk "scorched earth" rebuild model, but those teams are actually closer to getting to contender status that Calagry. Each has a foundation of young players in place to build upon, some of whom may reach elite status. Calgary's record is propped up by older players who won't be around if Calagry ever gets to contender status.

What would happen the Calgary's support if they finished bottom of the league for 3 years?

Why just 3. It's 3 so far for those teams with little sign they are coming out of it.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

This insane effort every year to get to the playoffs

They literally did zero at the deadline to address the fact that Bean, Miromanov and Hanley are playing every night. Did I miss where they put out an insane effort and traded draft capital for help on defense?

[Yeah_Baby]

Look, I know they're done.
Did I look at the Standings this morning, and pull a Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber?
Also, Yes.

I'm a fataing clown

[TheIronMaiden]

St Louis on a 9 game winnning streak is tough to beat.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

St Louis on a 9 game winnning streak is tough to beat.

They're so hot I was always looking for a cheap blues jersey to wear around Edmonton (assuming the Oilers get past LA which I think this year is 50/50)

[FanSince'01]

While I do think we're probably chasing Minny for the last playoff spot over St. Louis, I also would be surprised if the Blues didn't lose a couple of games out of their last 7, maybe even 3, even with their relatively cake schedule. As good as they have been, I don't think they're winning out to end the year on a 16-0 streak.

Still means that we essentially have to win out or be damn close to perfect if we want to catch/pass them, but it's not yet written in stone.

[HighLifeMan]

The Blues have exceeded there expected goal differential over the last nine games by +22 goals (+4 expected vs +26 actual).

A PDO of 1.108 is actual hilarious, and really illustrates how unlucky this team is to be sitting 5 points out of a playoff spot at the moment.

Have to admire the resolve in that Flames dressing room and give major props to the vets. At some point that incredible streak of luck is going to end for the Blues. Hopefully it starts tonight.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

Really I have to tell you how to be a bad team, how about trading off Anderson and Weegar before the start of the season and replacing them with some older but worse players. Trade our backup goalkeeper for a worse one and then play him 50% of the time. There are a load of ways of getting to the bottom, but they did not even try, they still think they can do a reload. It has cost us a first round pick which should have been a low one.

This insane effort every year to get to the playoffs with a team that is clearly nowhere near good enough to win the cup and gets knocked out in the first round, just means we end up getting nowhere. The aim should be to win the cup and if you have a team that clearly is not even close to being good enough you do what you must to get good enough.

Keep in mind the western Belles of the ball Dallas and Colorado just got dominated and beaten by a lunch box team with $20 million in cap space a bunch of young players growing into the league and a ton of draft picks.

Use all of the tools properly and this team can take some big steps in the next couple of years.

[LokiMotion]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

The Blues have exceeded there expected goal differential over the last nine games by +22 goals (+4 expected vs +26 actual).

A PDO of 1.108 is actual hilarious, and really illustrates how unlucky this team is to be sitting 5 points out of a playoff spot at the moment.

Have to admire the resolve in that Flames dressing room and give major props to the vets. At some point that incredible streak of luck is going to end for the Blues. Hopefully it starts tonight.

Good to know! All PDO heaters end eventually. Just gotta hope that it's now for the blues.

It sure would suck to play as hard as Calgary has to just not get in due to an extremely unlikely heater by a team that previously has only won 3 in a row once this season.

[EN FUEGO]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

St Louis on a 9 game winnning streak is tough to beat.

Streaky team gonna streak the other way. That win in COL for STL was garbage, tons of blown calls and they didn't deserve it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

The Blues have exceeded there expected goal differential over the last nine games by +22 goals (+4 expected vs +26 actual).

A PDO of 1.108 is actual hilarious, and really illustrates how unlucky this team is to be sitting 5 points out of a playoff spot at the moment.

Have to admire the resolve in that Flames dressing room and give major props to the vets. At some point that incredible streak of luck is going to end for the Blues. Hopefully it starts tonight.

It feels like if/when they lose one, they probably lose 3 in a row.

[united]

The Athletic’s update after last night.

The Flames at 22% (+10%) to make playoffs.
The Flames median finish is 92 points, 4 points out of playoffs assuming Blues hold tie-breaker.
The Flames most likely to pick 16th overall (-1), now behind the Canucks.
The Flames projected to finish 10 points out of the top 10.