2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Yes, they would.

Lol what

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Mackinnon didn't look like Mackinnon till his 5th year. Mackinnon didn't even produce as half as well as Bedard did in Junior and even Mackinnons first two years in the league he didn't produce as well as Bedard already has. And Mackinnon had far far better line mates in his first two years.

Bedard is going to be pretty stellar. Maybe even Mackinnon level as he grows.

The biggest problem when assessing teams or young players is the media and fans often label young team's contenders way too soon and get impatient.

Colorado had great linemates for MacKinnon but Rantanen and Landeskog were young too. Rantanen is younger than MacKinnon. He was 19 in MacKinnon's last 50 point season. He's great, but how great was he when he was 19.

Teams that have loads of players 25 and under are almost always disappointing.

Buffalo is the prime example of a team right now that the pro rebuilding group says they will be good but the people that don't like rebuilding laugh at that some suggest Buffalo will be good. Most of their top line players are 19 to 22 years old. They just need to stop having players that want out.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol what

Bedard for Hughes, Vancouver doesn't say no. Hughes is 2 years from UFA

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Bonded

There wasn’t a totally offside conversation that Monahan was as good as MacKinnon until MacKinnon hit that next gear. I’d trade any player, pick, or player in the Flames org for Bedard

Id trade any 3 in a deal not named Wolff. I am 100% serious

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Here's the data feel free to look at it

https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/play...l-players.html

Crosby, McDavid, Stamkos, Svechnikov, Kane, Laine, Kopitar, Matthews, Seguin, Keller, Marner are the only active players who got more as an 19 year old

6 sure fire HOFers.

Sure he may not end up in McDavid, McKinnon or Crosby level, but still not bad for the most overated player in the league

He may only end up as a HOFer

That's a pretty high bar - if he becomes an HOFer, I will eat crow on that one, that is for sure.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Mackinnon didn't look like Mackinnon till his 5th year. Mackinnon didn't even produce as half as well as Bedard did in Junior and even Mackinnons first two years in the league he didn't produce as well as Bedard already has. And Mackinnon had far far better line mates in his first two years.

Bedard is going to be pretty stellar. Maybe even Mackinnon level as he grows.

The fact that Bedard is putting up more points than MacKinnon did at this age is not at all an indication that Bedard will reach, or surpass MacKinnon's trajectory. Almost no one does. And regression is generally not an encouraging sign, regardless of MacKinnon - he is the exception, not the rule.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The NHL is riddled with players with sophomore slumps.

[Enoch Root]

Also, the HOF is a different bar than 'generational', by quite a lot. As I said, I think he will be a great player, and compared him to Pastrnak. Pastrnak is probably a HOFer - he's hit 100 pts twice, and will very likely get over 1,000 pts. That should be enough for the HOF.

That is not what people are suggesting for Bedard - most fans are still saying generational, or close to it. That is what I'm debating, and why I think he's over-rated. Pastrnak level? Very likely. Top 5 in the league? We'll see (I doubt it). Generational? Very unlikely IMO.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think Bedard might be the most over-rated player in the NHL right now.

Is he going to be a great player? Almost certainly. Is he going to be a star player? We'll see what level.

But many fans still seem to think that he will be a generational player. I know a lot of fans here thought he would be better than McDavid, before he was drafted. Personally, I never saw that - maybe something more like a Kucherov or a Kane.

But almost 2 years later? The progression hasn't been what one would expect for a star, let alone a generational player. 0.90 PPG last year (definitely star-tracking) but then 0.78 this year - regression, and disappointing. Yes, I know he's on a crappy team, but young players put up points on crappy teams, every year.

I don't think he's ever going to be a top player in the league, more like a top 10 for points, maybe topping out at something like a Pastrnak level - great, but not what many are expecting/seeing.

Just my opinion.

I agree 100%. Another big measuring stick is how he will do in the playoffs. I could see him having his struggles, much like Mitch Marner.

[dino7c]

Marner has 50 points in 57 playoff games

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Marner has 50 points in 57 playoff games

Maybe if he had a few more, the Leafs would know what Round 2 looks like

[CFO]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think Bedard might be the most over-rated player in the NHL right now.

Is he going to be a great player? Almost certainly. Is he going to be a star player? We'll see what level.

But many fans still seem to think that he will be a generational player. I know a lot of fans here thought he would be better than McDavid, before he was drafted. Personally, I never saw that - maybe something more like a Kucherov or a Kane.

But almost 2 years later? The progression hasn't been what one would expect for a star, let alone a generational player. 0.90 PPG last year (definitely star-tracking) but then 0.78 this year - regression, and disappointing. Yes, I know he's on a crappy team, but young players put up points on crappy teams, every year.

I don't think he's ever going to be a top player in the league, more like a top 10 for points, maybe topping out at something like a Pastrnak level - great, but not what many are expecting/seeing.

Just my opinion.

Kucherov is at same level as McDavid.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Marner has 50 points in 57 playoff games

You can stop defending him. He’s not coming to Calgary and you will go back to calling him soft.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Also, the HOF is a different bar than 'generational', by quite a lot. As I said, I think he will be a great player, and compared him to Pastrnak. Pastrnak is probably a HOFer - he's hit 100 pts twice, and will very likely get over 1,000 pts. That should be enough for the HOF.

That is not what people are suggesting for Bedard - most fans are still saying generational, or close to it. That is what I'm debating, and why I think he's over-rated. Pastrnak level? Very likely. Top 5 in the league? We'll see (I doubt it). Generational? Very unlikely IMO.

You called him the most overrated player in the league

If he makes the HOF he certainly isn’t the most overrated player in the league - and I’ve shown stats that his first year he was generational , and 2nd year was at a level that 50% of guys who have achieved in the last 25 years are HOF players

To me that doesn’t say overrated at all - and certainly not most overated player in the league

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by CFO

Kucherov is at same level as McDavid.

I would argue he is better.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

You called him the most overrated player in the league

If he makes the HOF he certainly isn’t the most overrated player in the league - and I’ve shown stats that his first year he was generational , and 2nd year was at a level that 50% of guys who have achieved in the last 25 years are HOF players

To me that doesn’t say overrated at all - and certainly not most overated player in the league

First of all, one year of stats is not 'generational'.

Otherwise, you think he'll be a superstar - great. That’s an opinion, and I have expressed mine. We are talking about the future, so you've 'shown' nothing. Relax, they're opinions.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Conroy would trade Parekh for Bedard in a second, as would every other GM in the league.

No he wouldn't. Zero chance.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yah he would. About a 95% chance.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Yes, they would.

What are you smoking? Jesus...

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yah he would. About a 95% chance.

No, he really wouldn't. Conroy is not an idiot, you don't change a potential generational defenseman for a guy trending to be a first line winger who might be able to play centre. A player that you might have for a few more years before he most likely leaves. Parekh right now is untouchable.