Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[WideReceiver]

Please keep your Edmonton hatred out of this. There’s too much at stake. I don’t GAF where someone’s from or if he wears sweatpants, which he doesn’t.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The source is bad, but there is no proof of the contrary, so let's not dismiss it?

Well the report is out there, not from sources I would normally trust. But there is also no comment refutation, and it kind of squares with exactly who PP would be to me. While the fact that he is worth $25M may or may not be specifically true, I would almost be shocked at this point if it is not directionally true that he is worth in the range of low 8 figures.

If you're going to poke holes all over the other guys financial background, think it's also fair to dig into how a guy who has seemingly had a low 6 figure income since he was 24 accrued that much wealth. Portion of it seems to be rental properties.

[PepsiFree]

Is this what the conservative supporters call a “conflict of interest” or is it just hypocritical? For all the worry over whether Carney will say he’ll do what’s best for Canada and then turn around and help his friends, here’s PP actually doing just that.

Rules for thee, but not for PP.

’Deeply hypocritical’: Pierre Poilievre slammed ‘illegal border crossers,’ but his own relative crossed and stayed

Anaida Poilievre’s uncle lived undocumented in Canada and received help from her and an MP. The Conservative leader has said such individuals should be ‘tracked down’ and ‘deported’

…

Anaida Poilievre’s uncle, Venezuelan lawyer José Gerardo Galindo Prato, had previously entered Canada in 2004 and lived without documentation until 2007, when he was deported by Canadian border agents.

Back in Venezuela, Galindo Prato was convicted in 2017 of helping a drug trafficker escape from prison and served six months in prison, which he says was a trumped-up, false charge.

In the fall of 2018, he flew to Miami, then to Pittsburgh, and later crossed at Roxham Road.

The Breach obtained a draft copy of Galindo Prato’s written submission to Immigration Canada from early 2021, applying to stay on humanitarian and compassionate grounds, which Anaida Poilievre helped him prepare.

At this stage of the asylum process, he would have already failed his refugee application and been served with a deportation order, according to an immigration lawyer The Breach consulted.

According to email and Facebook correspondence seen by The Breach, Anaida Poilievre organized the drafting and mailing of the submission with assistance from a parliamentarian.

In one message she wrote that she had a “person helping in a MP’s office.” In another, she was even more direct.

“I’m trying to help my uncle,” she wrote, and “the MP can help us.”

At the time, she worked as an executive assistant in the office of Conservative MP Michael Cooper, a close ally of Pierre Poilievre.

Since Poilievre became leader, she has taken an active leadership role herself, narrating ads, introducing her husband at major events, and playing a key role in fundraising for the party.

The revelations about an undocumented family member raise questions about whether Pierre Poilievre was in any way involved in advocating for his uncle-in-law to stay in the country, despite his outspoken rhetoric against “illegal border crossers.”

In December 2024, Poilievre called for Canada to bulk up the security at the border, including by deputizing provincial police and cracking down on “false refugee claims.”

“We need to shut off the flow of false refugee claims who are in no danger in their country of origin but who are sneaking in either through our porous border, through our weak visa system, and then when they’re here, making a false claim,” he said. …

https://breachmedia.ca/hypocritical-...conservatives/

[GGG]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

Please keep your Edmonton hatred out of this. There’s too much at stake. I don’t GAF where someone’s from or if he wears sweatpants, which he doesn’t.

I’m willing to bet that Carney owns sweatpants and has good shoes.

[kn]

It's quite clear that the Liberals will win the election, probably with a majority.

One thing I heard on CBC that I found interesting was the Ford camp had reached out to PP a couple years ago but never heard back. Now that the CPC could use the Ontario Conservative infrastructure, it's a little too late. Either CPC leadership, PP, or both really thought they were untouchable with Trudeau in power and dismissed the need to reach out and establish relationships.

[kn]

Originally Posted by GGG

He might be the most qualified person to ever run for leader of a democratic country. If it was a resume can anyone name anyone else with a better combination of experience?

Hillary Clinton

[#-3]

Found this floating around social media. Kind of predatory behavior going on here. Some one re-wrote the vote compass questions in leading ways and re-named it 'youth edition'

I specifically use the word predatory, because it was almost certainly done by a religious right winger who accuses gay/trans people of predatory behavior while history and demographics dictate that they are far more likely to be the type of person who rapes children.

https://youth.votecompass.com/ca1/

[GGG]

Originally Posted by kn

Hillary Clinton

I thought of her as two but she really lacked the private sector experience. The Bank runs in Canada and England match her career as Secretary of State and senator and Sachs banker vs Lawyer roughly equal out but that leaves Carney with the Brookfield ceo gig. From an education point of view Harvard/Oxford beats Wellesley/Yale.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by #-3

Found this floating around social media. Kind of predatory behavior going on here. Some one re-wrote the vote compass questions in leading ways and re-named it 'youth edition'

I specifically use the word predatory, because it was almost certainly done by a religious right winger who accuses gay/trans people of predatory behavior while history and demographics dictate that they are far more likely to be the type of person who rapes children.

https://youth.votecompass.com/ca1/

This appears to be done by the same group who did regular vote compass. Which questions did you take issue with?

It might be old though as the spectrum of the parties looks different than regular vote compass.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by kn

Hillary Clinton

Fair point but she's a woman and something about her emails.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by GGG

This appears to be done by the same group who did regular vote compass. Which questions did you take issue with?

It might be old though as the spectrum of the parties looks different than regular vote compass.

It appears to be done by a different group in Ontario called CIVIX, I don't know much about, using the same votecompass platform



Specifically I made it 6 questions in, 3 were very leading IMO. They are weighted to sound more reasonable in 1 direction than the other, especially when it seems

"White people have unfair advantages in Canada."

I don't think this needs explanation, a lot of lefties got over zealous with their rhetoric for years, and these questions are meant to spur a reactionary response in a plurality of the population. No Party is making this a topic of the election

"The government should hire qualified job applicants from historically marginalized groups even in cases where there are other applicants who may be more qualified."

This an imagined problem of the right, there is little evidence of it happening (except for when Trump fired all of the Black people so he could hire guys who hosted weekend morning talk shows, or that scraped roadkill up for dinner. In Trumps own words White people are being marginalized. So he started making affirmative action hires). No Party is making this a topic of the election

"Environmental regulations should be stricter, even if it means everyone has to pay more for the goods and services they consume.:
The Carbon tax regime was not a plan to pay more, the vast majority of people were made whole, and it was a plan to influence people into spending less money over time, this is an inaccurate reflection of the policy to make people knee jerk against paying more.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by GGG

This appears to be done by the same group who did regular vote compass. Which questions did you take issue with?

It might be old though as the spectrum of the parties looks different than regular vote compass.

I'll actually might somewhat retract my statement, as I go deeper into the quiz I think think it's possible that the questions are just very poorly written in leading ways based on whoever is currently winning the narrative on a topic. It just happened that 3 of the first 6 were written that way in 1 direction. If you look at their results, you can see the problem on their statistics, where most of the problems are overweighted towards the edges in either direction.

When asking a question you should not qualify it in a way that no party is openly advocating for, but leads into a characterization that the parties opposition is making.

What I'll stand by, is if kids can take this quiz, they can just take the normal vote compass, which is done with a little more care for not leading the questions, even when it is obvious what they are getting at.

[dissentowner]

When the Cons lose again I wonder if they will find a leader that isn't a swarmy prick like Pierre Poilievre and Andrew Sheer. Maybe try having someone run that doesn't come off as a total d-bag.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

When the Cons lose again I wonder if they will find a leader that isn't a swarmy prick like Pierre Poilievre and Andrew Sheer. Maybe try having someone run that doesn't come off as a total d-bag.

Do they have one of those?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

Do they have one of those?

Probably not.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by GGG

He might be the most qualified person to ever run for leader of a democratic country. If it was a resume can anyone name anyone else with a better combination of experience?

I thought Mitt Romney was a good choice for the GOP years ago.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Really? Think what sort of image it projects to the rest of the world if the leader of our country is showing up to international summits in sweatpants.

A better impression than the guy in clownpants down south?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by #-3

I'll actually might somewhat retract my statement, as I go deeper into the quiz I think think it's possible that the questions are just very poorly written in leading ways based on whoever is currently winning the narrative on a topic. It just happened that 3 of the first 6 were written that way in 1 direction. If you look at their results, you can see the problem on their statistics, where most of the problems are overweighted towards the edges in either direction.

When asking a question you should not qualify it in a way that no party is openly advocating for, but leads into a characterization that the parties opposition is making.

What I'll stand by, is if kids can take this quiz, they can just take the normal vote compass, which is done with a little more care for not leading the questions, even when it is obvious what they are getting at.

I can agree with this looking through the civix website they appear to be doing good work around media literacy so I don’t think there is intentional right bias here.

But Vote compass (CBC) does the same thing on the budget question. The deficit should be reduced EVEN if it means reducing public services

Also the carbon tax question is absolutely correct that it increases cost of goods even when fully rebated. If you price an externality it increases cost. If the carbon tax increases the cost of something and someone makes a product that is more expensive than base and less expensive then taxed the cost went up and the pool to cover the carbon tex went down. It’s the entire point of it. When looking at the entire lifecycle and externalities of the tax the PBO found that people would be slightly worse off.

I think it’s important to discuss government as a series of tradeoffs so qualifying the consequences of an option is important to the discussion. Every question on spending should be qualified with even if that means higher taxes or increased deficits

I think the advantage of the civix tool is that it looks like you can sign your class up and compare opinions of just your students. So I think it does add value.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

When the Cons lose again I wonder if they will find a leader that isn't a swarmy prick like Pierre Poilievre and Andrew Sheer. Maybe try having someone run that doesn't come off as a total d-bag.

I doubt it. At this point the base and the inner workings of the party have all been MAGAfied. A loss doesn't mean they need to come back to Earth, it means they didn't go hard enough. These aren't the type of people to learn lessons.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I doubt it. At this point the base and the inner workings of the party have all been MAGAfied. A loss doesn't mean they need to come back to Earth, it means they didn't go hard enough. These aren't the type of people to learn lessons.

Then they'll keep losing. The Liberals aren't useless like the Democrats are. And in Canada, the election is decided in populous places, Ontario, unlike in the States where it's decided in the heartland. There aren't enough Albertas in Canada.