Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by fotze2

But you think it should not be run like a business, why on earth would you have a business guy? I thought being good at business meant you had to exploit the poor and is a general indicator of greed and nogoodness.

Much prefer Carney over Trudeau because of business success. Carney much less likely to have a team of fifty photographers snapping pics of his turds that float above the water.

I'm not sure you understood what I was saying, and I edited it for clarity....

[vegasbound]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.abbynews.com/local-news/...angley-7870274


Kinda curious what Gill has in his pocket for the party to claim an MLA of 30 years isn't qualified, yet a 24 year old farmer is? What exactly are these qualifications? I mean, I know it's a cover for some other bull####, it's just a sign of how little they care to offer actual answers that they'd make something up so obviously bull####.

It's an odd choice, that's for sure. de Jong is now running as an independent.





https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/mike-de-jong-independent-candidate-federal-election-1.7494784

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

After this was brought up last week, I have found nothing concrete online about Poilievre's net worth. As per the article posted here today, he only has $8200 in crypto assets.

If he is a net worth anywhere close to that, it would have to be in his declared investment in Liberty West Properties - but there is very little information available for that publicly available.

I'm not sure how anyone would know his net worth.

After a quick google search, I'd agree that the sourcing on this seems pretty suspect, but we also haven't seen any refutation. So It's not something I would spread, but also not something I would dismiss out of hand.

I think this is a good example of why shouldn't attack and demonize the qualified media. They do a good job of finding information we can trust in these situations, and repeatedly pushing the idea that we can't trust them allows people to believe the no-name BS artists instead.

I also think unless there is veracity to the idea that he was improperly self dealing or using inside information as a government official to gain wealth, then it's something of a nothingburger either way.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by #-3

After a quick google search, I'd agree that the sourcing on this seems pretty suspect, but we also haven't seen any refutation. So It's not something I would spread, but also not something I would dismiss out of hand.

The source is bad, but there is no proof of the contrary, so let's not dismiss it?

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by fotze2

But you think it should not be run like a business, why on earth would you have a business guy? I thought being good at business meant you had to exploit the poor and is a general indicator of greed and nogoodness.

Much prefer Carney over Trudeau because of business success. Carney much less likely to have a team of fifty photographers snapping pics of his turds that float above the water.

Woah there.. Carney is not a business guy. He's a banker, and specifically a central banker, meaning he's spent a good chunk of his career providing policy and guidance related to economic development and policies to both the Government of Canada and the Government of England. That's VERY different from running a business.

We are headed for a major economic crisis as we are forced to decouple a deeply integrated economy with the USSA that is now a hostile partner. Someone like Carney is who you want either as the Governor of the BOC, or in this case PM.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Woah there.. Carney is not a business guy. He's a banker, and specifically a central banker, meaning he's spent a good chunk of his career providing policy and guidance related to economic development and policies to both the Government of Canada and the Government of England. That's VERY different from running a business.

We are headed for a major economic crisis as we are forced to decouple a deeply integrated economy with the USSA that is now a hostile partner. Someone like Carney is who you want either as the Governor of the BOC, or in this case PM.

Probably splitting hairs here but it's both. He also has experience in business in various roles senior roles at Goldman Sachs, Brookfield, Bloomberg, and others. I think it's a good thing that he has experience both on the policy side as a central banker and in actual business. Conservatives used to agree with that but no longer do because now it's not convenient.

[calculoso]

USSA. Love it

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do you think that is a function of government or geology?

in Saskatchewan 's case it's a function of no one wanting to live in Saskatchewan

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Torture

Probably splitting hairs here but it's both. He also has experience in business in various roles senior roles at Goldman Sachs, Brookfield, Bloomberg, and others. I think it's a good thing that he has experience both on the policy side as a central banker and in actual business. Conservatives used to agree with that but no longer do because now it's not convenient.

I think there's a rather large difference between investment banking and running a business. Investment strategy is much different than corporate development strategy in my opinion. But I'm coming from the perspective of working on development strategy for my technology business unit in relation to my business stakeholders and my technology partners.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by calculoso

USSA. Love it

Soviet assets should be identified as such..

[Torture]

Originally Posted by kermitology

I think there's a rather large difference between investment banking and running a business. Investment strategy is much different than corporate development strategy in my opinion. But I'm coming from the perspective of working on development strategy for my technology business unit in relation to my business stakeholders and my technology partners.

Yeah that's fair. 'Corporate business' is also pretty different than say starting/running your own business.

Either way, he's got both Government and real world experience. You can't argue with his resume particularly when put up beside PPs. And he has the type of resume that Conservatives used to claim they would love.

[flamesfever]

I realize there are significant difficulties to be ironed out, however if the situation with tariffs, imposed on us by the US, got too burdensome, we have the option of increasing our trade with China. They are already our second largest trading partner, and I believe have lately expressed an interest in increasing trade with Canada.

As an example, by eliminating tariffs between our countries, a BYD Seagull EV would cost us $ 14,600 Cdn, and solar panels would be 286% less expensive. Just think what that would do for our climate change policy.

At the same time, we would be in a position to sell them vast quantities of LNG to displace their coal, and our farmers would be able to make a decent profit in selling flax seed, canola oil, etc.

just a thought

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I realize there are significant difficulties to be ironed out, however if the situation with tariffs, imposed on us by the US, got too burdensome, we have the option of increasing our trade with China. They are already our second largest trading partner, and I believe have lately expressed an interest in increasing trade with Canada.

As an example, by eliminating tariffs between our countries, a BYD Seagull EV would cost us $ 14,600 Cdn, and solar panels would be 286% less expensive. Just think what that would do for our climate change policy.

At the same time, we would be in a position to sell them vast quantities of LNG to displace their coal, and our farmers would be able to make a decent profit in selling flax seed, canola oil, etc.

just a thought

That's just going from a chaotic partner to one that would tear us to pieces. No thanks. China knows how to play the long game and we'd lose. Lets stick to our traditional European partners, and whoever else. Doesn't make any sense to partner up with a country who will gleefully imprison and kill our citizens, and uses slave labour to keep costs down. How do we compete with that? Just give 'em our raw materials, I suppose....

[blender]

Regarding Carney, he is also quite progressive in his ideas, and he feels strongly that progress can be facilitated by using the markets and the unequalled power of nation states.
He has a deep understanding of political and economic theory and history. He understands very clearly the challenges the world is facing. Frankly I think we are very fortunate he is currently our leader.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Torture

Yeah that's fair. 'Corporate business' is also pretty different than say starting/running your own business.

Either way, he's got both Government and real world experience. You can't argue with his resume particularly when put up beside PPs. And he has the type of resume that Conservatives used to claim they would love.

Yeah probably exactly the kind of guy Cons would like to have run something for them.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by kermitology

I think there's a rather large difference between investment banking and running a business. Investment strategy is much different than corporate development strategy in my opinion. But I'm coming from the perspective of working on development strategy for my technology business unit in relation to my business stakeholders and my technology partners.

I think high level corporate managerial experience is vastly more applicable to running a country than running a small or even large cap business you founded yourself, we have a tendency to see starting a running and business as being a morally better thing to do but in terms of valid experience it has no real relevance to even being a mayor in a city

[Locke]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I think high level corporate managerial experience is vastly more applicable to running a country than running a small or even large cap business you founded yourself, we have a tendency to see starting a running and business as being a morally better thing to do but in terms of valid experience it has no real relevance to even being a mayor in a city

Maybe so...but the critical element is that one has to pre-suppose that the individual in question can change their thought process and strategies to meet the difference in goals.

Competence in one thing does not guarantee competence in another.

CEOs and Heads of Government have very different goals.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I think high level corporate managerial experience is vastly more applicable to running a country than running a small or even large cap business you founded yourself, we have a tendency to see starting a running and business as being a morally better thing to do but in terms of valid experience it has no real relevance to even being a mayor in a city

Running any kind of a business does not prepare tou for government. In fact, it's a hindering, as your thinking process in terms of problem solving would be vastly stunted by a view that is severely lacking in scope.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by blender

Regarding Carney, he is also quite progressive in his ideas, and he feels strongly that progress can be facilitated by using the markets and the unequalled power of nation states.
He has a deep understanding of political and economic theory and history. He understands very clearly the challenges the world is facing. Frankly I think we are very fortunate he is currently our leader.

He might be the most qualified person to ever run for leader of a democratic country. If it was a resume can anyone name anyone else with a better combination of experience?

[Bonded]

There is also a big difference between having real world business experience and running the government like a business. I don’t think carney has any intentions of ruining the federal government like a business but his experience will be valuable as he runs the government