Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[dammage79]

I suspect if the Liberals win the election that they're going to move off the F-35 and commit to Saab. If what he said today on defense budget sticks true, then the jet that is economically most beneficial to Canada in regards to jobs and materials, it's Saab.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I wound up just northeast of the center dot, but I don't really buy the results when they ask so few questions.

[Party Elephant]

People be tripping over each other to be the most centrist, meanwhile I'm out here with 92% Green, 91% NDP

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Being a centrist in principle may not be free of bias, but it's certainly less biased than people who ride or die with one party just due to their personal history of association with them and the identity they've built around it, regardless of who's at the top and the level of competence they're displaying.

Well that's a strawman if I've ever seen one. I wasn't referring to partisans who ride or die based on personal history. I was referring to people who's position on the political spectrum is based on the policies they believe in. I don't vote NDP because orange is my favourite colour. I vote NDP because I think their policies on labour and the welfare state would improve the lives of more Canadians than what the Liberals and Conservatives propose.

Being a centrist doesn't mean your views on policy are inherently less biased or more likely to be objectively correct due to how close to the middle of the spectrum they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

People be tripping over each other to be the most centrist, meanwhile I'm out here with 92% Green, 91% NDP

I'm still waiting to see where all our PPC peeps at.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

The interesting thing is that with the Trump back drop it’s politically benefiting to cooperate. So it might be possible for the feds to lead the provinces in eliminating barriers.

The trade barriers are fundamentally a provincial problem not a federal one so really it’s a leadership test rather than a policy test. Things like the size of French writing on cereal boxes will derail this.

Yeah, and we have two specific provinces that are very likely to not play ball.

Alberta
Quebec

Especially after Quebec today said they will never approve a federal pipeline.

Everyone is drawing their lines in the sand.

And anyone with half a brain knows that Carney is completely full of #### when he says he'll eliminate the barriers by July 1. But at this point nobody cares, but he can lie all he wants as long as he says he doesn't like Trump.

[Azure]

Carney. "I am an outsider."

"Also I am specifically requesting the morons that lead our country the past 9 years to come back and run for public office again so we can torch the place down for another 9 years!"

https://twitter.com/user/status/1904615302509572152

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Well that's a strawman if I've ever seen one. I wasn't referring to partisans who ride or die based on personal history. I was referring to people who's position on the political spectrum is based on the policies they believe in. I don't vote NDP because orange is my favourite colour. I vote NDP because I think their policies on labour and the welfare state would improve the lives of more Canadians than what the Liberals and Conservatives propose.

Being a centrist doesn't mean your views on policy are inherently less biased or more likely to be objectively correct due to how close to the middle of the spectrum they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation

Clearly if one side says the sky is blue and the other side says it's yellow, then being in the middle is choosing to be incorrect but that's a broad stroke especially when it comes to political ideologies that cover a wide range of topics to which there's not always a correct/incorrect solution. The argument is that if you are in the middle you are open to both left and right views sometimes choosing one over the other depending on the topic while extremists on each end are largely digging their heels in the beliefs on one end of the political spectrum.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I know 5% is not insignificant, but… is it really a huge deal? It doesn’t seem like it really pushes the affordability factor much.

It's significant in markets like Greater Vancouver; especially when coupled with exemptions on Property Transfer Tax that only apply to new properties.

Say a first time buyer in Vancouver is purchasing at $700,000.
That's $35,000 saved on GST and $12,000 saved on the Property Transfer Tax.

The PTT also can't be incorporated in your mortgage, so that's $12,000 cash saved which can go towards their down payment and $35,000 saved on the Net price which gets mortgaged.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, and we have two specific provinces that are very likely to not play ball.

Alberta
Quebec

Especially after Quebec today said they will never approve a federal pipeline.

Everyone is drawing their lines in the sand.

And anyone with half a brain knows that Carney is completely full of #### when he says he'll eliminate the barriers by July 1. But at this point nobody cares, but he can lie all he wants as long as he says he doesn't like Trump.

Not true. The BQ leader said that, because he knows it will have his party take votes from the Conservatives. So hopefully the Bloc doesn't get to many seats. The Quebec Premier said this a few days ago:

Mr. Legault, speaking at a meeting of premiers with Prime Minister Mark Carney Friday in Ottawa, said he knows other provinces want to talk about building more pipelines.

“We’re open to these kind of projects,” he told reporters. He said Quebec has always maintained a prerequisite for new pipelines that cross its territory must obtain “social acceptance from Quebec population.”

However, he said he sees right now, given “what Donald Trump is saying,” that “the opinion is changing right now” in Quebec.

Mr. Legault in addition to social acceptance for a new pipeline, there needs to be firm plans on what would be built.

“We need to have also real project, [a] concrete project, financed by the private sector” on the table, he said.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...n-oil-and-gas/

[Fuzz]

Also, your painting of Carney as a liar when that isn't supported is pretty blind. You're just saying stuff that has no basis in fact, unless you can point to all his prior lies to show a pattern. Keep in mind changing views as the world changes isn't lying, it's an attribute of a good leader.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Azure

Carney. "I am an outsider."

"Also I am specifically requesting the morons that lead our country the past 9 years to come back and run for public office again so we can torch the place down for another 9 years!"

https://twitter.com/user/status/1904615302509572152

Enjoy the Liberal Majority you miserable, one-note person.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Enjoy the Liberal Majority you miserable, one-note person.

I'm not sure "joy" exists on Azure's feeling wheel.

[GioforPM]

Sean Fraser is not a moron by any stretch.

[Muta]

Azure would rather have Canada quickly fall into the chokehold of Trumpian authoritarianism than let Canada vote in a Liberal again. Talk about cutting off your nose just to spite your face.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The argument is that if you are in the middle you are open to both left and right views sometimes choosing one over the other depending on the topic while extremists on each end are largely digging their heels in the beliefs on one end of the political spectrum.

Which issues are far-leftists digging in on to which you think the far-right's ideas should be considered to have equal merit?

[Fuzz]

Valid point. Perhaps opposition is the only role he knows he's qualified for.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

People be tripping over each other to be the most centrist, meanwhile I'm out here with 92% Green, 91% NDP

How far out are you, man?
I'm pretty far out
That's pretty far out, man!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Which issues are far-leftists digging in on to which you think the far-right's ideas should be considered to have equal merit?

Environmental, military, and immigration for starters.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Also, your painting of Carney as a liar when that isn't supported is pretty blind. You're just saying stuff that has no basis in fact, unless you can point to all his prior lies to show a pattern. Keep in mind changing views as the world changes isn't lying, it's an attribute of a good leader.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-elect...french-debate/

On Monday morning, Liberal Leader Mark Carney got a question as to whether or not the Liberals would take part and he said: “Pourquoi pas?” (Why not?). Carney appeared to be on board.

Later in the day, the Liberals sent out notice that they were refusing to take part in the “Face-à-Face” and as a result, TVA said the debate was cancelled.

I don’t know. Sounds like a lie.

Maybe I’m reading too much into what he said? Seemed to imply he would debate, then changed his tune.