Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Taken from reddit without a source (I haven't seen it reported)



So could be BS, but if this kind of pushback is "snarky" then I'm all in for it.

Not BS: https://www.cpac.ca/headline-politic...d-ffa89d4b0aa1

Starts at 17:37.

James from the Western Standard (lol) frames the question in the most juvenile, pathetic way possible (for a question that is already absurd) and Carney not only answers it perfectly, makes clear that NO Canadian is to blame for Trump’s actions (even though he could have easily lobbed some towards Canadian conservative politicians that have groveled at the man’s feet), and then when James asks “so I’ll take that as a no” Carney absolutely smokes him.

Many conservatives have stood to applause for less eloquent takedowns of “media” members. I’d be shocked if even they didn’t love Carney trouncing a far right imbecile too.

[Johnny Makarov]

CTV reported that PP Le Pew called Ford for advice and got shot down because Ford was too busy. hahahaha

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

Listen, we all understand the terrible point you're trying to make. Your point is an opinion and a bad one. Putin's involvement in the US election is not the same as Trump's involvement in the Canadian election. Its not the same no matter how much you want it to be. I get that it fits your narrative and I have no issue with you believing whatever you want to.

Are you able and willing to explain the relevant differences? I'll wait...

[Ped]

What an asinine question. "Are you going to pay that back?"


Clown.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Objectively, I like pretty much every action Carney has done so far as PM. First action was to kill the carbon tax exactly as promised - we can argue semantics about how levies still exist, but the public aspect that was deeply unpopular is no more. He's been very strong on Trump, even so much as to snub him until he acts like a grown up. He's met with several premiers individually already on a plan forward. He's acting like someone dealing with an emergency existential crisis. He may be a novice politician, but maybe we don't need a politician today. He's even gone to steel plants as a show of support (it would be nice if he addresses his recent Canadian streel debacle of a comment and promotes Canadian steel)

https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilto...5a493a4ec.html

Trudeau was a narcissist ideologist that actively divided the country. He ran a fiefdom and implemented mindboggling ideological policies like the online harms bill and turned immigration into a perceived negative. Freeland gaslighting us about vibecession, pushing carbon tax down our throats yet doing the heating oil carve out when convenient to his party. Let's not forget his plan to buy votes with complete disregard of the federal budget that suddenly has been forgotten. Only a full blown very public mutiny by his party got him to eat a bit of humble pie.

If we are to believe the party direction is mostly done by the leader, Liberals are acting like a different party right now and Carney is acting like a leader. We also saw Trudeau last month lead to protect Canada when it was most needed. I'm not convinced that the party is much different from a few months ago, but actions do speak more to me than words and the actions are solid.

I don't get the same leadership vibe from Poilievre, because he's too busy attacking Trudeau Carney. He had the opportunity to show strong leadership at the onset of Trump shenanigans, but he chose to completely ignore the American threat to focus instead on the Carbon tax and "Just like Justin".

Had Kamala Harris won in the US, or even if we had Trump 2016 instead of what we have today, I think the CPC and Poilievre win the election in a landslide no matter what Carney did as the nationalism rush and annexation threat would not have occured and the opportunity to pivot would not have been as strong.

But that's not what happened, and one party quickly adapted to the current reality, while the party that was leading in the polls are still stuck in 2023 pretending that the US is not threatening our sovereignty. We all knew Trump was going to be chaotic in his 2nd term, but the very serious annexation threat that arose and trade war unleashed against us for us to submit, needs a strong leader with strong principles to fight it.

I have more confidence in Carney fighting Trump than I do Poilievre. Heck I have more confidence in Trudeau right now. And that's completely Poilievre's fault for acting more like a Danielle Smith than a Doug Ford. Ironically Ford has given his full support to Carney, not toeing partisan lines as there is more important matters at hand.

Poilievre is showing extremely poor leadership and choice of priorities at time when leadership is the most important value, while Carney is showing strong leadership and getting others to follow him

Gotta say I agree.

But end of the day its all smoke and mirrors unless he presents a plan to massively develop our natural resources. That includes oil & gas.

So far he's very much on the WRONG track to do so.

We likely have an election in a month or so, and I'm hoping he presents a plan to do so in such a way that it completely undermines PP's campaign.

But I can't see him doing that considering he has a long history of advocating net zero, and has surrounded himself with a bunch of people who are literal whackjobs and spent the last 9 years running this down to the bottom.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poil...-cut-1.7365339


Cant make this stuff up.

PP has no plan!

Carney literally copies what PP said.

All the bootlickers bend over...

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

So the leader of one party agrees with something the leader of the other party said, and then went ahead and did it, and this is a bad thing?

Do you think that makes him a bad leader?
Would a good leader look at a good idea and say "No" simply because he doesn't like the source?

Shouldn't a good leader consider all ideas, and work to implement the good ones regardless of where/who they come from?

So which is it? PP has a plan or doesn't have a plan? Because up till now all the bootlickers have been claiming he is just full of slogans and useless memes.

I mean its so laughable its pathetic how you guys swing back and forth.

When PP adds it to his platform, its not a 'plan.'
When Carney adds it suddenly the exact same thing is 'a good idea that a good leader should be considering.'

[starseed]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Not BS: https://www.cpac.ca/headline-politic...d-ffa89d4b0aa1

Starts at 17:37.

James from the Western Standard (lol) frames the question in the most juvenile, pathetic way possible (for a question that is already absurd) and Carney not only answers it perfectly, makes clear that NO Canadian is to blame for Trump’s actions (even though he could have easily lobbed some towards Canadian conservative politicians that have groveled at the man’s feet), and then when James asks “so I’ll take that as a no” Carney absolutely smokes him.

Many conservatives have stood to applause for less eloquent takedowns of “media” members. I’d be shocked if even they didn’t love Carney trouncing a far right imbecile too.

This is amazing. He is turning their petulant attempts to grasp for negative sound bites against him, into powerful advertisements for him.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Azure

PP has no plan!

Carney literally copies what PP said.

All the bootlickers bend over...

Aren’t they already bent over if they’re licking boots?

Honestly man I get it if this is as much as your limited capacity can handle but at least make the insults logical if you’re going to start combining them.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Azure

When PP adds it to his platform, its not a 'plan.'
'

Three word slogans with no elaboration isn't adding to a platform or a plan. It's a vague idea pandering for votes with no real thought into them other than how they sound in a soundbite.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poil...-cut-1.7365339


Cant make this stuff up.

One talked about doing it, may or may not have (politicians never lie right?).


One did it.


Can't make this stuff up indeed.

[Mathgod]

Well I guess I'm a whackjob for thinking that humanity's ability to live on this planet is more important than lining the pockets of fossil fuel execs.

Look, we can walk and chew gum at the same time - continue to export traditional energy for now, while at the same time aggressively develop solar, wind, geothermal, nuclear, and the next generation of clean energy technology.

Your snide contempt for net zero (and your general climate-denial-adjacent stance) reminds me of the saying, "it is very hard to help someone understand something, when the person's income depends upon the lack of understanding it".

As for PP's plan, if he has one, is he willing to present it to the public? I could not find it on his website. One policy does not a plan make.

[CalgaryKid12]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Abstract things like GDP per capita aren't all that meaningful when people view the country as being in a crisis created by a foreign power. Particularly given that what people actually experience in terms of income (median wages and salary) have risen just as fast in Canada as they have in the US over the last half decade.

GDP per capita being considered an "abstract concept" is exactly why Canada is in the position that it's in...

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Azure

And to be clear, this is decades of stupidity bringing us to this point. The previous Conservative government didn't increase our oil & gas exporting capabilities either.

But after 9 years of this, bringing us to a pretty clear line in the sand, pretty crazy that people lap up what Carney is doing when he has the EXACT same clowns that created this in his cabinet.

Our reliance on other countries can be traced back for several decades, especially when it comes to the military, innovation, manufacturing, etc.

This sort of goes back to what I was saying a few weeks ago. We can't have critical infrastructure and resources be built, extracted and manufactured solely on the whims of whether they're profitable for private industry.

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Are you able and willing to explain the relevant differences? I'll wait...

May I suggest enrollment in this prestigious course offering?

https://education.alberta.ca/social-.../?searchMode=3

[surferguy]

Ok here is my plan - build the pipeline(s) as a national company. Anything that runs through that line a portion of the cost is paid to the debt.

Would that please people?

Build the pipes
Tax the pipe
Pay the debt

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by Kaine

One talked about doing it, may or may not have (politicians never lie right?).


One did it.


Can't make this stuff up indeed.

One is Prime Minister that has the ability to do it.

One is not Prime Minister and does not have the ability to do it.

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

7:00a Alarm
7:00a and 15 seconds Azure thinks Liberals and gets angry.
7:00a and 30 seconds Azure tries to conjure up another word for "bootlicker". Unsuccessful and Azure decides "bootlicker" is again the best word to describe myself, a card carrying Liberal for the past 25 years, and other Liberals.
7:02a Azure starts posting and uses bootlicker.

I am not sure what the definition of bootlicker is. Enlighten me Azure. I do know the definition of liberal and progressive. I am for sure small "L" liberal. And, for sure the PC's are not progressive.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

One is Prime Minister that has the ability to do it.

One is not Prime Minister and does not have the ability to do it.

My point exactly. It was a good idea when PP said it last year, would he have implemented it? Maybe yes, maybe no, we'll never know. The current PM obviously thought it was a good enough idea to implement and did so.


A good idea is a good idea. Most people likely care far less about "who thought it up first", I know I do.


Look at what happens when sides spend less time attacking one another and just take a good idea and run with it! Who knew...

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

May I suggest enrollment in this prestigious course offering?

https://education.alberta.ca/social-.../?searchMode=3

lol

If it was so easy for you to explain it, you would have explained it. Instead of resorting to some silly ad hominem.