Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Torture]

Mayor of Edmonton Amarjeet Sohi is running for the Liberals again. Given that, probably a pretty safe assumption they'll get at least 1 Alberta seat.


Also, Carney is on the ice for practice with the Oilers. Looks like he just lost the CP vote.
Carney is also meeting with Smith today (tomorrow?), I'd love to be a fly on the wall of that meeting.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by StickMan

The conservatives want to build infrastructure and develop resources and get the government out of the way, how is that anti-Canadian? They want to slow immigration and build houses and grow services and get things back to balance, how is that anti-Canadian? They want to cut taxes and balance the budget and pay down debt. All conservatives want to do is what is best for Canada and Canadians, they have none of the hidden agendas or radical ideologies that the liberals have.

The way Canada is now is the result of having a liberal government. If you like the current state of Canada, vote Carney because you will get more of the same and worse. Carney has no real interest in being PM, his main interest is to use Canada to make himself and his friends rich. Carney is an environmental activist extremist, and his radical ideology takes priority over everything including Canadian prosperity. He can talk blind trusts all he wants, but he knows what he is invested in and what Brookfield is invested in and what all his elite friends are invested in, and none of that will change. He will do what is best for them in every situation, that is who he is, making money for himself and his friends is what he does.

The liberals have made us weak and in debt and unable to thrive and prosper, this has made us vulnerable to Trump. Nothing will change if you give the liberals a 4th term. Carney will continue down the same path as Trudeau. Everything will continue to get worse. Carbon taxes will keep increasing and the cost of everything will keep increasing as a result. Nothing will get built, no investment will come back. Everything will keep deteriorating and getting worse.

The choice is still conservatives if you want positive change, Carney if you want more of the same, it is really what simple.

There is no way you’re not a plant just here to say the dumbest, funniest anti-Liberal things you can to make conservatives sound insane. Kudos because that’s amazing work lol.

[Looch City]

PP = DS.

The same 'Berta UCP shenanigans will take over all of Canada with PP and his party in power.

Nooo thank you.

[Firebot]

Objectively, I like pretty much every action Carney has done so far as PM. First action was to kill the carbon tax exactly as promised - we can argue semantics about how levies still exist, but the public aspect that was deeply unpopular is no more. He's been very strong on Trump, even so much as to snub him until he acts like a grown up. He's met with several premiers individually already on a plan forward. He's acting like someone dealing with an emergency existential crisis. He may be a novice politician, but maybe we don't need a politician today. He's even gone to steel plants as a show of support (it would be nice if he addresses his recent Canadian streel debacle of a comment and promotes Canadian steel)

https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilto...5a493a4ec.html

Trudeau was a narcissist ideologist that actively divided the country. He ran a fiefdom and implemented mindboggling ideological policies like the online harms bill and turned immigration into a perceived negative. Freeland gaslighting us about vibecession, pushing carbon tax down our throats yet doing the heating oil carve out when convenient to his party. Let's not forget his plan to buy votes with complete disregard of the federal budget that suddenly has been forgotten. Only a full blown very public mutiny by his party got him to eat a bit of humble pie.

If we are to believe the party direction is mostly done by the leader, Liberals are acting like a different party right now and Carney is acting like a leader. We also saw Trudeau last month lead to protect Canada when it was most needed. I'm not convinced that the party is much different from a few months ago, but actions do speak more to me than words and the actions are solid.

I don't get the same leadership vibe from Poilievre, because he's too busy attacking Trudeau Carney. He had the opportunity to show strong leadership at the onset of Trump shenanigans, but he chose to completely ignore the American threat to focus instead on the Carbon tax and "Just like Justin".

Had Kamala Harris won in the US, or even if we had Trump 2016 instead of what we have today, I think the CPC and Poilievre win the election in a landslide no matter what Carney did as the nationalism rush and annexation threat would not have occured and the opportunity to pivot would not have been as strong.

But that's not what happened, and one party quickly adapted to the current reality, while the party that was leading in the polls are still stuck in 2023 pretending that the US is not threatening our sovereignty. We all knew Trump was going to be chaotic in his 2nd term, but the very serious annexation threat that arose and trade war unleashed against us for us to submit, needs a strong leader with strong principles to fight it.

I have more confidence in Carney fighting Trump than I do Poilievre. Heck I have more confidence in Trudeau right now. And that's completely Poilievre's fault for acting more like a Danielle Smith than a Doug Ford. Ironically Ford has given his full support to Carney, not toeing partisan lines as there is more important matters at hand.

Poilievre is showing extremely poor leadership and choice of priorities at time when leadership is the most important value, while Carney is showing strong leadership and getting others to follow him

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Looch City

PP = DS.

The same 'Berta UCP shenanigans will take over all of Canada with PP and his party in power.

Nooo thank you.

So, Nenshi = Singh?

Ok.

[Torture]

^ PP's new "Canada First" slogan isn't doing it for ya Firebot?

[Firebot]

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-re...jasper-rebuild

This is stuff that wins over people.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

I find myself at a huge crossroads in this election, and I assume I am not the only one.

Generally, I would consider myself right of center...what we used to call a 'Small-c conservative'. And again this election cycle, I find myself without a home.

There is no way in hell the Liberals deserve another term after what they have done to this economy for the last decade. The Trevor Tombe tweet about about the growth in GDP shows exactly what I mean. They have a track record that is anti-Alberta, and focused on the wrong things, imo.

But Pollievre is a slimeball. A sniviling narcisist that I don't think has the country's best interest in mind. He craves power for all the wrong reasons, imo.

This might age me a bit, but whatever happened to the Joe Clark PCs? The first party to be able to show they are fiscally responsible, along with being socially acceptable will govern this country for a long long long time.

Slimeball is going a bit far but I agree with this 100%.

Because everthing today is so binary and often extreme, it’s assumed (and by a lot of posters here) that if you are a declared conservative you are some sort of ultra right wing Trump loving Maple MAGA.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Firebot

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-re...jasper-rebuild

This is stuff that wins over people.

BuT ThE FEdS R GoING 2 StOP JAsPERs ReBUiLD

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I know there is a lot of focus on Alberta, and oil, and it being the reason we suck and what will save us(despite production and export capacity increasing under the Liberals), but Canada is not just oil. Hell, Alberta isn't just oil either. I want to hear broad based solutions, not one idea fixes. I think we so as pretty big disservice to our country by focusing on one resource. Where else are we losing that we could find wins?

1. Remove restrictions to interprovincial trade

2. Offer incentives to explore for metals, and accelerate the time to put mines in production from fifteen to five years

3. Build a partially government funded oil pipeline across Canada

4. Ramp up LNG project development by making us more investment friendly. Do this by eliminating C-69 (no more pipelines) C-48 (Westcoast tanker ban) and C-59 (emissions cap and Competitions Act provisions).

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Torture

Mayor of Edmonton Amarjeet Sohi is running for the Liberals again. Given that, probably a pretty safe assumption they'll get at least 1 Alberta seat.


Also, Carney is on the ice for practice with the Oilers. Looks like he just lost the CP vote.
Carney is also meeting with Smith today (tomorrow?), I'd love to be a fly on the wall of that meeting.

Sohi is a wildcard. He has obvious name recognition in Edmonton but at the same time his approval rating as mayor is in the dumpster at around 25%. It might be tough for him to steal a seat in the Edmonton area.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I know there is a lot of focus on Alberta, and oil, and it being the reason we suck and what will save us(despite production and export capacity increasing under the Liberals), but Canada is not just oil. Hell, Alberta isn't just oil either. I want to hear broad based solutions, not one idea fixes. I think we so as pretty big disservice to our country by focusing on one resource. Where else are we losing that we could find wins?

Yep. Oil is ~3% of GDP so as much as it's big for Alberta, for much of Canada, there's so much more to the economy than O&G.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Torture

Mayor of Edmonton Amarjeet Sohi is running for the Liberals again. Given that, probably a pretty safe assumption they'll get at least 1 Alberta seat.


Also, Carney is on the ice for practice with the Oilers. Looks like he just lost the CP vote.
Carney is also meeting with Smith today (tomorrow?), I'd love to be a fly on the wall of that meeting.

I wouldn't say it's a "safe assumption". Sohi has a low approval rating in Edmonton, and is generally disliked. It's unlikely he would have won a re-election. Tim Uppal is well liked and has held that riding in four of the last five elections. The only time he lost was by a mere 92 votes to Sohi back in 2015. I doubt Sohi would take his previous riding (Edmonton Millwoods) back.

When asked how they felt things are going in Edmonton these days, only 22 per cent of respondents said the city was headed in the right direction, while 67 said the city is on the wrong track, and the remainder didn’t know or didn’t answer.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10545672/...amarjeet-sohi/

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Just what we need in politics to fix the housing crisis.... more realtors. It worked so well in BC.

And a Liberal Realtor.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Torture

BuT ThE FEdS R GoING 2 StOP JAsPERs ReBUiLD

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

1. Remove restrictions to interprovincial trade

2. Offer incentives to explore for metals

3. Build a partially government funded oil pipeline across Canada

4. Ramp up LNG project development by making us more investment friendly. Do this by eliminating C-69 (no more pipelines) C-48 (Westcoast tanker ban) and C-59 (emissions cap and Competitions Act provisions).

The trade thing is fine, has been discussed. For mines, I think a lot of good spots are known, it's the economics, environment, or territorial restrictions that are the problem.


And, uh the last two make me think you didn't read my post.

[Firebot]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...morning-skate/



I take back everything I said good about Carney.

This is the moment that support for Carney falls on this site. A vote for Carney is the same as cheering for the Oilers

[Fuzz]

Phew, good thing the NHL got me to stop caring about hockey a few years ago, or this might have been an issue.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Slimeball is going a bit far but I agree with this 100%.

Because everthing today is so binary and often extreme, it’s assumed (and by a lot of posters here) that if you are a declared conservative you are some sort of ultra right wing Trump loving Maple MAGA.

If you still support PP and the current direction of the CPC, you pretty much have to be or have to be totally forgiving or willingly ignorant of those aspects of the party.

There are plenty of conservatives or “undeclared” people who were highly critical of Trudeau and the Liberals who have since taken huge issue with the CPC, PP, and their platform and campaign, while accurately seeing exactly what they’ve been asking for in the platform, actions, and approach of Mark Carney. Who among them have been accused since of being “maple Maga” or ultra right wing?

Pretty rare, I’d guess. Certainly not a lot of posters.

But on the other side, you’ve got conservatives turning around and calling these people bootlickers, suckers, and accusing them of being “fooled” because the leader they asked for came along and they proved themselves not to be “blue no matter who.”

Fact is, whether you’ve supported the Liberals, NDP, Greens, CPC, or whoever in the past, if we’re all rejecting the fascist, Trump-like, anti-Canadian rhetoric and far right actors that have infected and are influencing the modern CPC, then we’re all on the same page.

[Harry Lime]

The biggest red flag for me concerning PP, is Danielle smith. I don't see enough separation on the rhetoric. There is much more separation between Nenshi and left wing federalis, than between PP and DS.

He could actually lose some calgay and edmonton riding to the liberals if he doesn't address the dumpster fire of the UCP.