Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[The Yen Man]

The problem with Poilievre is, he feels like a one trick pony. His whole aura is centered around attacking Trudeau to the point of obsession it seems. He comes off as a caricature at this point. I have no confidence the guy can even be a competent leader. He feels more like a guy who's strength is campaigning as "the other guy", but has no real substance.

They can blame the "leftist" media all they want, but this is on him and the way he portrays himself.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Slimeball is going a bit far but I agree with this 100%.

Because everthing today is so binary and often extreme, it’s assumed (and by a lot of posters here) that if you are a declared conservative you are some sort of ultra right wing Trump loving Maple MAGA.

This is only because the CPC refuses to denounce that portion of their base. As we've seen in Alberta with the UPC and the states with Trump, they're not just appeasing the extreme right to get votes - they are the extreme right. There's no way all of their polling data is showing they should keep up with the ultra right wing, populist nonsense. Yet since they keep going down that path, the only conclusion one can draw is that if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must actually be a populist, ultra right wing duck.

[puffnstuff]

Saw pp referred to online as Sulk Slogan. Made me laugh.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

The problem with Poilievre is, he feels like a one trick pony. His whole aura is centered around attacking Trudeau to the point of obsession it seems. He comes off as a caricature at this point. I have no confidence the guy can even be a competent leader. He feels more like a guy who's strength is campaigning as "the other guy", but has no real substance.

They can blame the "leftist" media all they want, but this is on him and the way he portrays himself.

When he was running for CPC leadership it was discussed how he is a great attack dog, but time would tell if he could move beyond that roll. Time has declared, that ya, no. He can not.

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Phew, good thing the NHL got me to stop caring about hockey a few years ago, or this might have been an issue.

Yep could be a game-changer.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Objectively, I like pretty much every action Carney has done so far as PM. First action was to kill the carbon tax exactly as promised - we can argue semantics about how levies still exist, but the public aspect that was deeply unpopular is no more. He's been very strong on Trump, even so much as to snub him until he acts like a grown up. He's met with several premiers individually already on a plan forward. He's acting like someone dealing with an emergency existential crisis. He may be a novice politician, but maybe we don't need a politician today. He's even gone to steel plants as a show of support (it would be nice if he addresses his recent Canadian streel debacle of a comment and promotes Canadian steel)

https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilto...5a493a4ec.html

Trudeau was a narcissist ideologist that actively divided the country. He ran a fiefdom and implemented mindboggling ideological policies like the online harms bill and turned immigration into a perceived negative. Freeland gaslighting us about vibecession, pushing carbon tax down our throats yet doing the heating oil carve out when convenient to his party. Let's not forget his plan to buy votes with complete disregard of the federal budget that suddenly has been forgotten. Only a full blown very public mutiny by his party got him to eat a bit of humble pie.

If we are to believe the party direction is mostly done by the leader, Liberals are acting like a different party right now and Carney is acting like a leader. We also saw Trudeau last month lead to protect Canada when it was most needed. I'm not convinced that the party is much different from a few months ago, but actions do speak more to me than words and the actions are solid.

I don't get the same leadership vibe from Poilievre, because he's too busy attacking Trudeau Carney. He had the opportunity to show strong leadership at the onset of Trump shenanigans, but he chose to completely ignore the American threat to focus instead on the Carbon tax and "Just like Justin".

Had Kamala Harris won in the US, or even if we had Trump 2016 instead of what we have today, I think the CPC and Poilievre win the election in a landslide no matter what Carney did as the nationalism rush and annexation threat would not have occured and the opportunity to pivot would not have been as strong.

But that's not what happened, and one party quickly adapted to the current reality, while the party that was leading in the polls are still stuck in 2023 pretending that the US is not threatening our sovereignty. We all knew Trump was going to be chaotic in his 2nd term, but the very serious annexation threat that arose and trade war unleashed against us for us to submit, needs a strong leader with strong principles to fight it.

I have more confidence in Carney fighting Trump than I do Poilievre. Heck I have more confidence in Trudeau right now. And that's completely Poilievre's fault for acting more like a Danielle Smith than a Doug Ford. Ironically Ford has given his full support to Carney, not toeing partisan lines as there is more important matters at hand.

Poilievre is showing extremely poor leadership and choice of priorities at time when leadership is the most important value, while Carney is showing strong leadership and getting others to follow him

What I see is Carney being promoted by the mainstream media (as the media is in the fight of their life to maintain the gravy train of funding they receive from the liberals), there is no balance in Canadian media. The media has painted Carney and the liberals as "team Canada" even though they are the ones that have caused all the issues in Canada, Trudeau has been dividing Canadians for 9yrs. Trudeau did not write any of words he said on the way out, and it was comical to see him attempt to show any pride for the "post national state" he actively destroyed for 9yrs, he is a great actor and a horrible human.

I haven't seen Carney show any strength, he has mostly hidden from the public and has resorted to approved media only situations. The premiers have had to resort to dealing with Trump on their own even though trade is a federal jurisdiction. Carney has hilariously adopted the PP conservatives taking points as his own without the media calling him out on it. He did not kill the carbon tax, he just put it on hold, and he will be replacing it with something even more taxing to Canadians, he is extremely pro-carbon tax and we will all suffer greatly under Carney.

Carneys purpose is to keep the money flowing to his green investors, the liberal media and all the other corrupt liberal recipients of tax payer money. The liberals are corrupt to the core, they need to be completely rebuilt from the ground up and I don't see that happening under Carney. It is sad to see people who watch too much mainstream media give Carney such high praise when he hasn't earned any of it. What a sad country Canada has become.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Because everthing today is so binary and often extreme, it’s assumed (and by a lot of posters here) that if you are a declared conservative you are some sort of ultra right wing Trump loving Maple MAGA.

And because everything today is so binary, it’s assumed that anyone anti-Polievre must be a Trudeau lover.

Couldn’t be farther from the truth.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by StickMan

What I see is Carney being promoted by the mainstream media (as the media is in the fight of their life to maintain the gravy train of funding they receive from the liberals), there is no balance in Canadian media. The media has painted Carney and the liberals as "team Canada" even though they are the ones that have caused all the issues in Canada, Trudeau has been dividing Canadians for 9yrs. Trudeau did not write any of words he said on the way out, and it was comical to see him attempt to show any pride for the "post national state" he actively destroyed for 9yrs, he is a great actor and a horrible human.

I haven't seen Carney show any strength, he has mostly hidden from the public and has resorted to approved media only situations. The premiers have had to resort to dealing with Trump on their own even though trade is a federal jurisdiction. Carney has hilariously adopted the PP conservatives taking points as his own without the media calling him out on it. He did not kill the carbon tax, he just put it on hold, and he will be replacing it with something even more taxing to Canadians, he is extremely pro-carbon tax and we will all suffer greatly under Carney.

Carneys purpose is to keep the money flowing to his green investors, the liberal media and all the other corrupt liberal recipients of tax payer money. The liberals are corrupt to the core, they need to be completely rebuilt from the ground up and I don't see that happening under Carney. It is sad to see people who watch too much mainstream media give Carney such high praise when he hasn't earned any of it. What a sad country Canada has become.

In under a week, Carney has met with European leaders to forge economic partnerships, announced a $6B defence partnership with Australia to upgrade our arctic defence monitoring systems, announced military production agreements with Europe that will engage both domestic production and ease of integration with European military technology which seems like an obvious move given we can no longer trust the US. These are all facts, not main stream media tidbits.

Meanwhile, Pierre Poilievre hasn't completed a security review to allow him access to the intelligence gathered regarding foreign election interference. Now, he should have for the sake of the country since the Conservatives are the main targets of that interference, but you can somewhat understand the political rationale why he wouldn't unless an election is upcoming, but an election is about to be called (Sunday expected). So what is he waiting for?

Carney is operating like a man who has international connections, understands the international crisis we find ourselves in, understands the global economy that, like it or not, we have to participate in.

Like.. post your media sources, just in general. What gives you confidence in them?

[calgarygeologist]

Carney as the next PM is a good money making opportunity right now. The good folks at Polymarket have it as 60% right now so $100 pays out $166.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by calculoso

And because everything today is so binary, it’s assumed that anyone anti-Polievre must be a Trudeau lover.

Couldn’t be farther from the truth.

100%. And unfortunately, today's conservative movement has veered so far right across multiple countries that it's no longer the same identity it used to be. Long gone are the days of the centre-right conservatives (the abandonment of the word Progressive in the Progressive Conservatives was dumb, IMO). On the provincial side, that would have been the Lougheed conservatives, who had an amazing reputation in this province; socially progressive and fiscally conservative with empathy for all Albertans embedded within - where the ANDP is right now.

'Small c' conservatives need to take back their movement's spot on the political spectrum. The descent into far right-wing territory that is now flirting with authoritarianism and agenda-based billionaire funding streams is something they need to fix if they want to have people like myself - who used to vote conservative when it was actually a sane movement - to come back to their party.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by StickMan

What I see is Carney being promoted by the mainstream media (as the media is in the fight of their life to maintain the gravy train of funding they receive from the liberals), there is no balance in Canadian media. The media has painted Carney and the liberals as "team Canada" even though they are the ones that have caused all the issues in Canada, Trudeau has been dividing Canadians for 9yrs. Trudeau did not write any of words he said on the way out, and it was comical to see him attempt to show any pride for the "post national state" he actively destroyed for 9yrs, he is a great actor and a horrible human.

I haven't seen Carney show any strength, he has mostly hidden from the public and has resorted to approved media only situations. The premiers have had to resort to dealing with Trump on their own even though trade is a federal jurisdiction. Carney has hilariously adopted the PP conservatives taking points as his own without the media calling him out on it. He did not kill the carbon tax, he just put it on hold, and he will be replacing it with something even more taxing to Canadians, he is extremely pro-carbon tax and we will all suffer greatly under Carney.

Carneys purpose is to keep the money flowing to his green investors, the liberal media and all the other corrupt liberal recipients of tax payer money. The liberals are corrupt to the core, they need to be completely rebuilt from the ground up and I don't see that happening under Carney. It is sad to see people who watch too much mainstream media give Carney such high praise when he hasn't earned any of it. What a sad country Canada has become.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/pro...cf6c37836.html


Exhibit A of why you are wrong - Ford, despite being PC and cheering for MAGA earlier last year and despite several scandals, handily won an election for his show of strength against Trump. He was seen as much more likely to fight Trump than his Liberal and NDP counterparts.

The same cannot be said about Poilievre. Ford is likely so disgusted with his chosen path that he rejected Poilievre's plea for help to avoid being smeared with the same brush. It took him a fricking month to call Ford to congratulate him but in reality it was a plea for help.

The focus isn't just Carney. He's obviously going to be in the limelight as new PM and with parliament prorogued, the media will focus on him as he's the main face to oppose Trump now as PM. Poilievre and hesitation to condemn everything MAGA including within his party is absolutely part of the problem. This election was the CPC's to lose and all they had to do was not make massive gaffes and they were in the driver's seat.

Poilievre chose to keep his axe the tax t-shirt when it was clearly no longer priority #1, and CPC spent time making sites like justlikejustin.ca instead of pivoting to meet the real threat with Trump.

[indes]

Originally Posted by StickMan

What I see is Carney being promoted by the mainstream media (as the media is in the fight of their life to maintain the gravy train of funding they receive from the liberals), there is no balance in Canadian media. The media has painted Carney and the liberals as "team Canada" even though they are the ones that have caused all the issues in Canada, Trudeau has been dividing Canadians for 9yrs. Trudeau did not write any of words he said on the way out, and it was comical to see him attempt to show any pride for the "post national state" he actively destroyed for 9yrs, he is a great actor and a horrible human.

I haven't seen Carney show any strength, he has mostly hidden from the public and has resorted to approved media only situations. The premiers have had to resort to dealing with Trump on their own even though trade is a federal jurisdiction. Carney has hilariously adopted the PP conservatives taking points as his own without the media calling him out on it. He did not kill the carbon tax, he just put it on hold, and he will be replacing it with something even more taxing to Canadians, he is extremely pro-carbon tax and we will all suffer greatly under Carney.

Carneys purpose is to keep the money flowing to his green investors, the liberal media and all the other corrupt liberal recipients of tax payer money. The liberals are corrupt to the core, they need to be completely rebuilt from the ground up and I don't see that happening under Carney. It is sad to see people who watch too much mainstream media give Carney such high praise when he hasn't earned any of it. What a sad country Canada has become.

I would like to be educated on all the things the CPC is doing to help Canada that's not being reported on by the main stream media please.

[Torture]

This just in, StickMan isn't going to vote for anybody but PP and his vote is not up for grabs. More shocking news at 6.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

The problem with Poilievre is, he feels like a one trick pony. His whole aura is centered around attacking Trudeau to the point of obsession it seems. He comes off as a caricature at this point. I have no confidence the guy can even be a competent leader. He feels more like a guy who's strength is campaigning as "the other guy", but has no real substance.

They can blame the "leftist" media all they want, but this is on him and the way he portrays himself.

He is an online comment section incarnate.
He cannot shift to being the original post; he only exists in snarky response.

[Jason14h]

Whoever is the strategist for the PC who thought continuing to run Carbon Tax Carney and now the new attack ads for “sneaky” Carney will never get another job

Canadians are looking to unite right now , not fight each other

Carney saying noting against PP is actually an amazing strategy .

I cringe at very time I see these adds and can’t believe they continue to run them . I am
Not sure who they are aimed at in the swing vote ridings

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by StickMan

The conservatives want to build infrastructure and develop resources and get the government out of the way, how is that anti-Canadian? They want to slow immigration and build houses and grow services and get things back to balance, how is that anti-Canadian? They want to cut taxes and balance the budget and pay down debt. All conservatives want to do is what is best for Canada and Canadians, they have none of the hidden agendas or radical ideologies that the liberals have.

The way Canada is now is the result of having a liberal government. If you like the current state of Canada, vote Carney because you will get more of the same and worse. Carney has no real interest in being PM, his main interest is to use Canada to make himself and his friends rich. Carney is an environmental activist extremist, and his radical ideology takes priority over everything including Canadian prosperity. He can talk blind trusts all he wants, but he knows what he is invested in and what Brookfield is invested in and what all his elite friends are invested in, and none of that will change. He will do what is best for them in every situation, that is who he is, making money for himself and his friends is what he does.

The liberals have made us weak and in debt and unable to thrive and prosper, this has made us vulnerable to Trump. Nothing will change if you give the liberals a 4th term. Carney will continue down the same path as Trudeau. Everything will continue to get worse. Carbon taxes will keep increasing and the cost of everything will keep increasing as a result. Nothing will get built, no investment will come back. Everything will keep deteriorating and getting worse.

The choice is still conservatives if you want positive change, Carney if you want more of the same, it is really what simple.

If you vote Conservative you are saying you want Canada to be part of the USA and therefore a traitor to this country. End of story. Pierre Poilievre will 100% cut a deal with Trump where we keep our name and anthem but become the 51st state. The evidence is overwhelming. So if that's your wish just move down there and get it over with.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Slimeball is going a bit far but I agree with this 100%.

Because everthing today is so binary and often extreme, it’s assumed (and by a lot of posters here) that if you are a declared conservative you are some sort of ultra right wing Trump loving Maple MAGA.

For me it is simple, I will vote for any party that excludes members that 1. are pro life 2. are climate change deniers 3. homophobes 4. treasonous USA sympathizers.


All Pollivier ( any CPC leader) has to do is go on national media and ask that those people do not vote for him, endorse him, or the CPC because they are not welcome in his party. He would instantly win a super majority.

But the Conservative Party of Canada is also the Evangelical Party of Canada, and though many ( most) members and voters of the CPC are not pro-life ,homophobic, treasonous, climate change deniers, there is a sizeable and influential base that is. It is those people who chase off the vast majority of Canadians who cannot find common ground with them.

Make an example of them, kick them out of your party, tell them to pound sand, and win the center right, and center left vote which is the largest portion of voting Canadians.

[puffnstuff]

Carney skated with the oilers? Has anyone checked on Staples? His head may have imploded.

[Torture]

Just for the lols.

Originally Posted by StickMan

What I see is Carney being promoted by the mainstream media (as the media is in the fight of their life to maintain the gravy train of funding they receive from the liberals), there is no balance in Canadian media. The media has painted Carney and the liberals as "team Canada" even though they are the ones that have caused all the issues in Canada, Trudeau has been dividing Canadians for 9yrs. Trudeau did not write any of words he said on the way out, and it was comical to see him attempt to show any pride for the "post national state" he actively destroyed for 9yrs, he is a great actor and a horrible human.

The mainstream media like Post Media is....simping for Carney? Have you looked at the National Post lately? As to who wrote Trudeau's speech...do you think PP writes his own copy? Cause if so, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

I haven't seen Carney show any strength, he has mostly hidden from the public and has resorted to approved media only situations. The premiers have had to resort to dealing with Trump on their own even though trade is a federal jurisdiction. Carney has hilariously adopted the PP conservatives taking points as his own without the media calling him out on it. He did not kill the carbon tax, he just put it on hold, and he will be replacing it with something even more taxing to Canadians, he is extremely pro-carbon tax and we will all suffer greatly under Carney.

Dude hasn't been PM for even a week and you're blaming the 'Premiers having to resort to dealing with Trump on their own' on...Carney?
Carney is hiding from the media, I suppose PP is doing something different from 'hiding' kicking them off his campaign trail?
Carney has adopted PPs talking points but you don't like him, that seems logical.

I, and it seems like a lot of Canadians think he has shown strength already but I suppose you're entitled to your opinion. And yes, the consumer carbon tax is dead. You can start digging the grave.

Carneys purpose is to keep the money flowing to his green investors, the liberal media and all the other corrupt liberal recipients of tax payer money. The liberals are corrupt to the core, they need to be completely rebuilt from the ground up and I don't see that happening under Carney. It is sad to see people who watch too much mainstream media give Carney such high praise when he hasn't earned any of it. What a sad country Canada has become.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by StickMan

What I see is Carney being promoted by the mainstream media (as the media is in the fight of their life to maintain the gravy train of funding they receive from the liberals), there is no balance in Canadian media. The media has painted Carney and the liberals as "team Canada" even though they are the ones that have caused all the issues in Canada, Trudeau has been dividing Canadians for 9yrs. Trudeau did not write any of words he said on the way out, and it was comical to see him attempt to show any pride for the "post national state" he actively destroyed for 9yrs, he is a great actor and a horrible human.

I haven't seen Carney show any strength, he has mostly hidden from the public and has resorted to approved media only situations. The premiers have had to resort to dealing with Trump on their own even though trade is a federal jurisdiction. Carney has hilariously adopted the PP conservatives taking points as his own without the media calling him out on it. He did not kill the carbon tax, he just put it on hold, and he will be replacing it with something even more taxing to Canadians, he is extremely pro-carbon tax and we will all suffer greatly under Carney.

Carneys purpose is to keep the money flowing to his green investors, the liberal media and all the other corrupt liberal recipients of tax payer money. The liberals are corrupt to the core, they need to be completely rebuilt from the ground up and I don't see that happening under Carney. It is sad to see people who watch too much mainstream media give Carney such high praise when he hasn't earned any of it. What a sad country Canada has become.

I mean, to be fair to you, probably hard to see when your head is buried in the sand. Who are we kidding here? Some people will refuse to see anything positive if it's the "other side".