Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

So this crew buikding pipe what and where are they building using what materials. Hopefully they are engaging pipeline companies and reviewing the stages each is at for pipeline projects to tidewater and engaging indigenous leaders as partners. That’s step one in this project

None of the 14 oil ceos in there letter to the government proposed a shovel ready project.

Why would they do anything? Carney has preached net-zero to everyone for years. Nobody in his right mind should believe the Liberals have any stitch of interest in building our oil & gas production, exporting abilities, etc.

Nobody is proposing projects because they know the projects are likely not going to happen.

People have been so caught up in the stupidity down south that they have forgotten that Canada is basically the richest country in the world in terms of our natural resources, but we have squandered it to the point where private industry is VERY skeptical and hesitant to do anything. You can blame whatever you want on why that is, but that is simple fact.

If the Liberals are going to suddenly change that, it would mean they would have to literally reverse what they've been doing the last 9 years. So please tell me why the exact same people who worked to bring us to this point are going to suddenly reverse course and go the other direction?

[Geraldsh]

What the CEOs are asking for is an emergency measures act so their proposals can’t get discarded by some special interest group or premier. Only then will you see shovels in the ground.

[Party Elephant]

Carney will ask Governor General to dissolve Parliament Sunday and call election, sources say

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...nday-1.7488444

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Nailed it. StickMan’s comment wasn’t close to the first on here, but 2ArmBands is pretty conveniently ignoring the fact that the Conservative supporter sentiment is very pro-Trump and anti-Canadian, and that extends right up through high ranking politics like MPs and the Premier of Alberta.

PP is beholden to these people. He’s spent years kowtowing to them. Anyone who believes that doesn’t not and will not have a significant impact has their head in the sand.



I think he’s getting at the fact that it’s more complicated and less straightforward than your “just build it! why aren’t they building it!” comments let on.

It would probably be helpful if “it” wasn’t just “any pipeline” if it’s supposed to be a comment anyone takes seriously. It’s going to take years. It’s been days. Even in the most optimistic, bullish “push it forward and F everyone who stands in our way” approach it’s going to be a lot slower than you want it to be.

“Building the ####ing pipeline” is fun to say though. And this isn’t a criticism. I get the sentiment. We’re just going to have to be realistic.

Yep all fair comments. I don’t think the building of a pipeline is all that Herculean though.

Of course oil CEOs aren’t planning for it- it’s a god awful investment when layering in even the most basic level of risk. From a regulatory, land acquisition, construction, and red tape standpoint this country has made a relatively straightforward task an insanely risky proposition so yeah as I have already said the government of Canada needs to build it. Also we make steel in Quebec, don’t we? Sounds like pipe material.

Moreover, it’s more likely the public threat and early stages of building a line give you a huge amount of leverage in trade negotiations. The American refineries that rely on our oil will freak out. In fact we have already seen that they’re making plans to transition their refineries off Canadian crude so who knows how serious or long that takes- but if it is serious we are absolutely ####ed. Again +60 trade surplus with Canada but when you layer in oil and gas it drops to -200 so it literally is the swing here. Which means it’s by far our biggest piece of leverage in negotiations.

Lastly, the government literally just finished building a pipeline. So, I’m pretty sure we can borrow a lot of the same learnings, procurement, plans, follow the same building guidelines etc etc etc for a new line. Plan it to the open space on the south part of the inlet of Prince Rupert, twin the existing cross provincial lines that run from basically Dawson out to that point and start building trenches.

Surveying could take a couple months, mobilize a #### load of crews, like get aggressively after it. Again it’s all these actions (that you can be public about) to leverage trade negotiations or protect Canadian sovereignty. Nobody is coming to Canadas defence unless we’re willing to trade them the resources they’ve been asking for now for over a decade or more.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yep all fair comments. I don’t think the building of a pipeline is all that Herculean though.

Of course oil CEOs aren’t planning for it- it’s a god awful investment when layering in even the most basic level of risk. From a regulatory, land acquisition, construction, and red tape standpoint this country has made a relatively straightforward task an insanely risky proposition so yeah as I have already said the government of Canada needs to build it. Also we make steel in Quebec, don’t we? Sounds like pipe material.

Moreover, it’s more likely the public threat and early stages of building a line give you a huge amount of leverage in trade negotiations. The American refineries that rely on our oil will freak out. In fact we have already seen that they’re making plans to transition their refineries off Canadian crude so who knows how serious or long that takes- but if it is serious we are absolutely ####ed. Again +60 trade surplus with Canada but when you layer in oil and gas it drops to -200 so it literally is the swing here. Which means it’s by far our biggest piece of leverage in negotiations.

Lastly, the government literally just finished building a pipeline. So, I’m pretty sure we can borrow a lot of the same learnings, procurement, plans, follow the same building guidelines etc etc etc for a new line. Plan it to the open space on the south part of the inlet of Prince Rupert, twin the existing cross provincial lines that run from basically Dawson out to that point and start building trenches.

Surveying could take a couple months, mobilize a #### load of crews, like get aggressively after it. Again it’s all these actions (that you can be public about) to leverage trade negotiations or protect Canadian sovereignty. Nobody is coming to Canadas defence unless we’re willing to trade them the resources they’ve been asking for now for over a decade or more.

There is no “easy button” to push to build a pipeline. However, the Northern Gateway Pipeline Project has had quite a bit of time and resources poured into to it to get to the point that it got to.

There would be a general route, with the main dots to connect. The size of the line would have been established, at least the size / volume that was being proposed under the Harper government.

So while I understand that there is much, much more work and consultation with many groups, including First Nations (some who have been opposed to the project in the past have since changed their stance towards the project) to do, we could be starting the project right away. Even if it doesn’t mean shovels in the ground on day one.

I am not certain that the Liberal government would like to proceed with that project, since they were opposed to that project the first time. But if that project was completed and was operational right now, Canada would be in a much stronger trading position globally and would be in a much stronger position economically.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Carney will ask Governor General to dissolve Parliament Sunday and call election, sources say

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...nday-1.7488444

Fantastic. I look forward to seeing how this plays out. Calgary Confederation just got their Liberal candidate. He's a young realtor.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Fantastic. I look forward to seeing how this plays out. Calgary Confederation just got their Liberal candidate. He's a young realtor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary_Confederation


Going to be an uphill battle. Len seems like a decent enough guy and if he weren't tied to PP he's a guy I could vote for. Though his mailers are incredibly dumb. But that's kinda common anyway.

[Johnny Makarov]

If you unite the left vote the Lib might have a chance.... lol highly doubt it with the lemmings.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

If you unite the left vote the Lib might have a chance.... lol highly doubt it with the lemmings.

When Trudeau was brand new and exciting, the Libs were within a handful of votes in Calgary Confed. Ever since it's been a pretty safe riding for Len Webber. If we see a major red wave...maybe. Probably a pretty safe conservative seat unless there's a major red wave.

Man his mailers are annoying. Poll question: Is The Carbon Tax "Bad, the worst, Satan's creation, or not great?"

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, and the Liberals know that and are taking great advantage politically to distract Canadians from this. Looks like most of the bootlickers on here have been duped as well.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1902484645096440256

That is the Liberal’s economic record for their time in power summed up.

Although some people here are claiming our economy is doing well.

Weird.

I mean, even Carney said the economy was performing poorly. Although I can see why you might not believe him. He has been caught telling some different stories day to day.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, and the Liberals know that and are taking great advantage politically to distract Canadians from this. Looks like most of the bootlickers on here have been duped as well.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1902484645096440256

This.....is one of the most damning things I have seen in a long time. Holy #### our country is in disrepair at the moment. And none of these leaders and parties care. They just fight on the identity of it.

FIX OUR ECONOMY!

[Incogneto]

I find myself at a huge crossroads in this election, and I assume I am not the only one.

Generally, I would consider myself right of center...what we used to call a 'Small-c conservative'. And again this election cycle, I find myself without a home.

There is no way in hell the Liberals deserve another term after what they have done to this economy for the last decade. The Trevor Tombe tweet about about the growth in GDP shows exactly what I mean. They have a track record that is anti-Alberta, and focused on the wrong things, imo.

But Pollievre is a slimeball. A sniviling narcisist that I don't think has the country's best interest in mind. He craves power for all the wrong reasons, imo.

This might age me a bit, but whatever happened to the Joe Clark PCs? The first party to be able to show they are fiscally responsible, along with being socially acceptable will govern this country for a long long long time.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Carney will ask Governor General to dissolve Parliament Sunday and call election, sources say

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...nday-1.7488444

This is good. An election a month from now makes sense. There are no neutrals. 90% of people know who they will vote for.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

This.....is one of the most damning things I have seen in a long time. Holy #### our country is in disrepair at the moment. And none of these leaders and parties care. They just fight on the identity of it.

FIX OUR ECONOMY!

have you read nothing about Carney? It's what he's dedicated his professional life to. even in the past couple of days there are links in this thread posted so you can learn about Carney and his economic beliefs.
He actually seems to care and has the education, knowledge and experience to do something.

You can argue the liberal machine might drag him down, but I don't think you can argue that he's one hell of a lot more capable than PP.

Look at his first week in power. I believe he's shown he's respected enough globally and is capable of transitioning us on our reliance from the USA and will be able to turn the ship around economically.

Globally, if they even know PP exists at all, I bet he's viewed as nothing but a Trump style alt- right bootlicker.

[Fuzz]

I know there is a lot of focus on Alberta, and oil, and it being the reason we suck and what will save us(despite production and export capacity increasing under the Liberals), but Canada is not just oil. Hell, Alberta isn't just oil either. I want to hear broad based solutions, not one idea fixes. I think we so as pretty big disservice to our country by focusing on one resource. Where else are we losing that we could find wins?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Fantastic. I look forward to seeing how this plays out. Calgary Confederation just got their Liberal candidate. He's a young realtor.

Just what we need in politics to fix the housing crisis.... more realtors. It worked so well in BC.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Nailed it. StickMan’s comment wasn’t close to the first on here, but 2ArmBands is pretty conveniently ignoring the fact that the Conservative supporter sentiment is very pro-Trump and anti-Canadian, and that extends right up through high ranking politics like MPs and the Premier of Alberta.

PP is beholden to these people. He’s spent years kowtowing to them. Anyone who believes that doesn’t not and will not have a significant impact has their head in the sand.



I think he’s getting at the fact that it’s more complicated and less straightforward than your “just build it! why aren’t they building it!” comments let on.

It would probably be helpful if “it” wasn’t just “any pipeline” if it’s supposed to be a comment anyone takes seriously. It’s going to take years. It’s been days. Even in the most optimistic, bullish “push it forward and F everyone who stands in our way” approach it’s going to be a lot slower than you want it to be.

“Building the ####ing pipeline” is fun to say though. And this isn’t a criticism. I get the sentiment. We’re just going to have to be realistic.

The conservatives want to build infrastructure and develop resources and get the government out of the way, how is that anti-Canadian? They want to slow immigration and build houses and grow services and get things back to balance, how is that anti-Canadian? They want to cut taxes and balance the budget and pay down debt. All conservatives want to do is what is best for Canada and Canadians, they have none of the hidden agendas or radical ideologies that the liberals have.

The way Canada is now is the result of having a liberal government. If you like the current state of Canada, vote Carney because you will get more of the same and worse. Carney has no real interest in being PM, his main interest is to use Canada to make himself and his friends rich. Carney is an environmental activist extremist, and his radical ideology takes priority over everything including Canadian prosperity. He can talk blind trusts all he wants, but he knows what he is invested in and what Brookfield is invested in and what all his elite friends are invested in, and none of that will change. He will do what is best for them in every situation, that is who he is, making money for himself and his friends is what he does.

The liberals have made us weak and in debt and unable to thrive and prosper, this has made us vulnerable to Trump. Nothing will change if you give the liberals a 4th term. Carney will continue down the same path as Trudeau. Everything will continue to get worse. Carbon taxes will keep increasing and the cost of everything will keep increasing as a result. Nothing will get built, no investment will come back. Everything will keep deteriorating and getting worse.

The choice is still conservatives if you want positive change, Carney if you want more of the same, it is really what simple.

[TheIronMaiden]

I will forever be jealous of people who live in contested ridings.
Living in rural Alberta, it is a forgone conclusion that the CPC will win by a land slide.

[TheIronMaiden]

An interesting riding will be the new Yellowhead riding, which includes Brag Creek, Kananaskis Village, Canmore, Banff, Jasper, Nordegg, Rockey Mountain House, Edson and GrandCache. Oh and for some reason Cross Field and Carstairs.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

The first party to be able to show they are fiscally responsible, along with being socially acceptable will govern this country for a long long long time.

They'll have to show it - but that sure seems to be the territory the Carney Liberals are aiming for.