Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Jesus christ, use your noggin a little bit harder and figure this one out. Read the portion of the second quote you cut out right before it. Hell, just re-read the first quote. Or even just figure out what “preventative” means. It’s a common word.

I hate to use a vaccine analogy when talking to a right winger, but you’re one of those people who thinks you’re only supposed to get a flu shot when you already have the flu, don’t you?



Maybe it’s best to just stick to chasing Fuzz and diss around trying to bully them. This clearly is not your speed.

You can tell Calgarygeologist takes conflict of interest incredibly seriously by the number of times he's been similarly outraged at Todd Loewen running customer gathering missions to the US with taxpayer dollars to have them use his outfitter camp for hunting, all the while loosening restrictions and creating new hunting licenses in his role as the minister who's supposed to protect wildlife. It's just a total coincidence this might help his personal company to kill more of them and create orphan baby cougars.



CG will just not shut up about that.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by SebC

I guess it depends on how much of his soul he had to sell in your hypothesis contrary to fact to become the Conservative leader.


"Deplorables" refers to specific types of Conservatives, like the types who don't care about anyone other than themselves and are often too stupid to even do that properly. Anti-vaxxers and religious bigots tend to earn the label - not red Tories or blue Grits.

Anyone who votes for PP is a deplorable. A full basket.

[indes]

Hey it's something actionable! He did ruin it with a bunch of slogans but I like the idea.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/northern-onta...in-six-months/

EDIT : Promoting business and resource development while supporting economic growth is great and what I wish the CPC was about. They need to drop the extreme wing of the party and run on things like this instead of populist BS.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

He has been an MP for 20 years with a starting salary of $140K and now making around $300K. He has a rental property in Ottawa that is likely $1.5M to $2M. It's not difficult to get to a $5M number based on those number.

Averaging out a 200k salary over 20 years gives you 4 mil. No cost of living. Sure thing. All above board...

Or maybe, just maybe, someone like PP should hold off on the out of touch elitism he tries to instill on Carney. just a bit.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It’s a good thing the Liberals are being forced to operate like a serious government and worry about things like the economy .

It would also be a good thing in these recent polls force the cons to become more serious about the social concerns a lot of this country has and mature as a party in regards to an actual plan and platform

But it is pretty funny seeing people applauding Carney for cancelling a tax his party created , focusing less on left leaning social issues and fringe topics and more on the economy , and preaching smaller government who were lauding the exact same policies when the cons were saying it for years

If Carney was the PM for the newly elected cons he would be called the favorite CalgaryPuck buzzword - a deplorable . Not caring about the environment . Making minority policies less of a focus vs general economic growth policies.

The liberals have very smartly taken the platform and talking points that PP used to gain support and adopted them into their platform , while appealing to Canadians that they also don’t have the fringe crazy get right politicians and will stand up for Canada

It is a great strategy as has worked masterfully . And I am glad they have shifted to where they are and hope/pray if they win they actually govern this way vs what we have seen for a decade

But let’s not pretend most of what they are shifting too isn’t what the cons have been saying for years - or at least what people who were shifting to the cons have been asking for over the last years

Jason14, on this board, for months: You guys are all left wing!

Most of the board: Actually, I am a moderate, and haven't voted for Trudeau, but would take a centrist CPC party any day.

Liberals elect a centrist: You guys should be hating this!!!

[Johnny Makarov]

PP put out that Trump supports Carney.

He didn't mention Trump called him stupid and would rather deal with a liberal. lol

[Ped]

Trump clearly trying to get Canadians to think he wants a Liberal government so we wont vote for them

[Drak]

Blatant childish psychology by Trump and PP.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

PP put out that Trump supports Carney.

He didn't mention Trump called him stupid and would rather deal with a liberal. lol

Even the most despicable man on earth can't find a way to like Pierre.







Evergreen.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by indes

Hey it's something actionable! He did ruin it with a bunch of slogans but I like the idea.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/northern-onta...in-six-months/

EDIT : Promoting business and resource development while supporting economic growth is great and what I wish the CPC was about. They need to drop the extreme wing of the party and run on things like this instead of populist BS.

A "Canada First Conservative Government" is going to "Bring Home" "powerful paycheques" to put "Canada first"

Actually think this is good, but the sloganeering is such a turn off.

[Geraldsh]

Good that he brought his plan forward- Carney can get to work on it right away.

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by belsarius

As an NDP voter I will be strategically voting that way, and I sword never to vote Liberal again after the about face on electoral reform. I think this is why the NDP are going to be decimated this election, but also why I don't think its going to be a permanent thing where it kills the NDP. It is exceptional times right now, and we need an adult in the room in the top seat. I don't think Poilievre is anywhere near Trump, but the CPC's Reform backbone is not the type of policy I can support and even dread seeing at this point in time.

Thanks belsarius, bringing this back cause I was hoping I could ask a quick question since you've been open about this. is there anything that could happen that would make you not want to vote for Carney, and instead go back to NDP?

Most of the support for Libs right now is being bled from by other parties, whereas conservatives are unchanged. I'm assuming that's why there is going to be no media, conservates aren't trying to find new voters, but ensure they keep their own. Anyways, the risk to the liberals is over the campaign, people like you wont support Carney. Do you think that's an option? Or is it more of the non-PP, rather than Pro-Carney?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Even the most despicable man on earth can't find a way to like Pierre.







Evergreen.

PP is the Ted Cruz of Canadian politics

[fotze2]

He definitely has that backpfeifengesicht quality like Keane Bexte.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

PP is the Ted Cruz of Canadian politics

Both born in Calgary.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Thanks belsarius, bringing this back cause I was hoping I could ask a quick question since you've been open about this. is there anything that could happen that would make you not want to vote for Carney, and instead go back to NDP?

Most of the support for Libs right now is being bled from by other parties, whereas conservatives are unchanged. I'm assuming that's why there is going to be no media, conservates aren't trying to find new voters, but ensure they keep their own. Anyways, the risk to the liberals is over the campaign, people like you wont support Carney. Do you think that's an option? Or is it more of the non-PP, rather than Pro-Carney?

Great question. For me personally it is a little bit of non-CPC (I think the root of the issue is the backrooms of the CPC and not necessarily the leader), but a lot of pro-Carney. As he started to pop his head as a possibility in politics, I took time to listen to some Reith Lectures he gave and read his book.

What popped out for me with Carney is that he isn't a normal banker in the sense of current Neoliberal economics that dominate the western world. He quoted theory from Adams, Marx, Friedman and Keynes. This demonstrated to me that he wasn't just focused on one aspect of economics but understanding all viewpoints.

He is a strong proponent of doing something about climate change, but in a way that is not disastrous to the economy. His continually points to how we have moved from a Market Economy to a Market Society, and the dangers that come with it. His view that we need to stop humanity from working for the Market and start making the Market work for humanity really resonates with me as a leftist.

It would take a pretty big gaffe right now to move me back to the NDP because I am completely disenchanted with Singh's leadership. I can agree that he got a good deal policy wise from his supply deal with Trudeau, but as a leader, his inability to stand firm is disconcerting.

That said, Carney going all in on pipelines, disregarding all environmental protections would give me pause on him. In light of Trump I have moved from "no new pipelines", to "yes, we need to ensure we are not relying on infrastructure outside our borders". So some national fossil fuel projects I can now live with pragmatically, but open season is a non-starter for me.

I still support the NDP, I support strong labour legislation, strong environmental protections and strong support systems. The irony I am seeing in this whole situation, is that I actually see Carney as someone who will stand up for those same ideals policy wise but talk about them quietly. Where Trudeau was very loud about those ideals, but very weak when it actually came to those policies.

I don't see Carney as a shift to the centre, I never viewed the Trudeau government as moving to the left, they just played the part of being leftist. I see him as someone who will pragmatically make those ideals happen, not just virtue signal them. Very much how I feel Notley did in her term as Premier.

[Party Elephant]

edit: whoops meant to put this in the musk thread

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Both born in Calgary.

ugh can we not

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Ped

Trump clearly trying to get Canadians to think he wants a Liberal government so we wont vote for them

It’s so ridiculous how Trump is trying to spin it. He knows he’s hated here so tries to use that to help the Cons. I don’t think anyone is buying the act.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by madmike

It’s so ridiculous how Trump is trying to spin it. He knows he’s hated here so tries to use that to help the Cons. I don’t think anyone is buying the act.

lol you think Orange Rapist is smart enough to think that? hahahahah

He saw the clip where PP was trying to distance himself from Maga... Nice try with that one lol