[PGT] Flames Bad

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Has he messaged you yet to threaten to fly out here and beat you up?

I never threatened to beat you up, I asked if you would like to discuss it in person after you first threatened me. Offer still stands.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by boogerz

Mostly likely yes. Huska's teams have traditionally underachieved offensively, regardless of the league he's coaching in.

The Flames may not have gamebreaking talent, but they actually do have decent offensive depth. They have player who has put up 40+ assists/season in the NHL for the past decade, another player who has been averaging 61 points per 82 games for the past 12 years, a defensive center that is usually in the top 60 centers for ES production, a couple players that have scored 20+ goals multiple times, and a couple younger players with skill (Frost, Coronato, and Zary).

This is a team that should at least be outscoring the Sharks, Preds, Isles, and Hawks instead of solidly being 32nd in GF. Another 10 goals on the season to-date locks up the last wild card spot for the Flames, but as we've seen in the past few weeks, Huska is forcing the team to play too conservatively once the Flames are ahead by one goal.

The Flames have a few issues but I would say that is their top one. Or one of them. Prevent defence after getting a lead. No matter what point of the game you’re in.

[Saqe]

Threatening people online is so 90s.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Threatening people online is so 90s.

Flying out to beat someone up is so 2025 apparently.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He should hit him with rocks.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Threatening people online is so 90s.

He threatened me first. Then I offered to discuss it in person. Don't threaten someone if you are not willing to follow through if they call you out on it.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He threatened me first. Then I offered to discuss it in person. Don't threaten someone if you are not willing to follow through if they call you out on it.

You're suck a joke. Yeah, I threatened you

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ok who?
Established coaches with proven winning track records absolutely care about the situation they are heading into. Otherwise they are happy to sit at home.
Unless you are talking about taking guys of the crap heap. That's what Calgary did with Hartley.

Maybe they’ll sit at home for a season or two. But there aren’t hundreds of jobs opening up every year. Typically they do open up because a team didn’t do well.

A team that wins the cup isn’t firing their coach the next day

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Maybe they’ll sit at home for a season or two. But there aren’t hundreds of jobs opening up every year. Typically they do open up because a team didn’t do well.

A team that wins the cup isn’t firing their coach the next day

So again, who are these established coaches that would come to the Flames now with this situation?
The Flames have historically not been able to attract top end coaches. Sutter was the exception due to his local connection.

But which coaches do people think the club would be able to attract?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Why did you spend all that time telling us Huska sucks to vote with him that the team is over achieving lol

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He threatened me first. Then I offered to discuss it in person. Don't threaten someone if you are not willing to follow through if they call you out on it.

And just to subvert the dissentowner pile on for a second, calgarygeo has said some outright nasty, personal things about diss (and other posters, including a bit of racist nonsense) over the years. CG is not a victim and not a good dude.

Maybe we all (diss, you included) can take a break from the accusations of people being unhinged, needing mental health help, violent, etc, because we disagree on whether the team is under or over performing. Lots of threads where that juicy content fits better, but in this one it seems really silly.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So again, who are these established coaches that would come to the Flames now with this situation?
The Flames have historically not been able to attract top end coaches. Sutter was the exception due to his local connection.

But which coaches do people think the club would be able to attract?

You have to factor in that fired coaches usually are getting paid to sit at home. They won’t take any job and not for less money.

Montgomery good a cushy deal in St. Louis and a 5 year deal.

Babcock had a 8 year deal with Toronto and had time left when fired.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And just to subvert the dissentowner pile on for a second, calgarygeo has said some outright nasty, personal things about diss (and other posters, including a bit of racist nonsense) over the years. CG is not a victim and not a good dude.

Maybe we all (diss, you included) can take a break from the accusations of people being unhinged, needing mental health help, violent, etc, because we disagree on whether the team is under or over performing. Lots of threads where that juicy content fits better, but in this one it seems really silly.

Sounds like he collects rocks in his Tesler Cybertruck

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And just to subvert the dissentowner pile on for a second, calgarygeo has said some outright nasty, personal things about diss (and other posters, including a bit of racist nonsense) over the years. CG is not a victim and not a good dude.

Maybe we all (diss, you included) can take a break from the accusations of people being unhinged, needing mental health help, violent, etc, because we disagree on whether the team is under or over performing. Lots of threads where that juicy content fits better, but in this one it seems really silly.

That's fair. I need to step away.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And just to subvert the dissentowner pile on for a second, calgarygeo has said some outright nasty, personal things about diss (and other posters, including a bit of racist nonsense) over the years. CG is not a victim and not a good dude.

Maybe we all (diss, you included) can take a break from the accusations of people being unhinged, needing mental health help, violent, etc, because we disagree on whether the team is under or over performing. Lots of threads where that juicy content fits better, but in this one it seems really silly.

You're the right guy to come along offering an olive branch. Such a delusional move.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I think you could tell who the good coaches are based on how much better their team plays after they get the job.

My uneducated coaching tiers:
S: Cooper, Brind'Amour, Bednar, DeBoer, Cassidy
A: Maurice, Montgomery, Laviolette, Sullivan, Quenville
B: Tocchet, Torts, McClellan, Carberry
C: Berube, Keefee...
(Huska is probably between C and D tier)

So yeah all the best coaches have multiple star players...go figure

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

So yeah all the best coaches have multiple star players...go figure

Sure, but arguably those multiple stars develop into stars in part because of the right circumstances and the opportunity created by said coaches. So what came first? The chicken or the egg?

Carolina couldn't make the playoffs and was an 85 point team with the same core under Peters, Rod the Bod takes over and they're a 100+ point team and a contender.

Florida kept missing the playoffs before coach Q arrived. Then they became the top team in the conference.

The Flames under Sutter were miles ahead of where they were under Ward with the same players.

[Ped]

You have to factor in that fired coaches usually are getting paid to sit at home. They won’t take any job and not for less money.

Montgomery good a cushy deal in St. Louis and a 5 year deal.

Babcock had a 8 year deal with Toronto and had time left when fired.

Not how it works, iirc. They get paid by their old team because they are under contract, but they still have a responsibility to find employment. If it's less than their previous contract, the previous team has to make up the difference.


So if Babcock got hired by Toronto at 5 million, was fired, and found a job in Ottawa for 2 million, the Leafs are still on the hook for 3, for the life of whatever contract he signed with Toronto.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Ped

Not how it works, iirc. They get paid by their old team because they are under contract, but they still have a responsibility to find employment. If it's less than their previous contract, the previous team has to make up the difference.


So if Babcock got hired by Toronto at 5 million, was fired, and found a job in Ottawa for 2 million, the Leafs are still on the hook for 3, for the life of whatever contract he signed with Toronto.

Hmm. Didn’t Babcock go coach a university for free? Also I have a hard time seeing Darryl look for another job. It was always the Flames or the farm

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Sure, but arguably those multiple stars develop into stars in part because of the right circumstances and the opportunity created by said coaches. So what came first? The chicken or the egg?

Carolina couldn't make the playoffs and was an 85 point team with the same core under Peters, Rod the Bod takes over and they're a 100+ point team and a contender.

Florida kept missing the playoffs before coach Q arrived. Then they became the top team in the conference.

The Flames under Sutter were miles ahead of where they were under Ward with the same players.

Sutter vs Ward sure...they won 50 games with Peters though. Pick any coach on your list, I dont think the Flames are much different in the standings. Give Huska one of those top teams and they are likely still doing well. I mean how do we judge a new coach unless we let them go through the lean years? Teams often fire the coach too early and the next guy gets the sweet gig with a team on the rise.