Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Yeah, we need smaller government and more focus on all encompassing issues and less focus on pet projects. But I'm not a traditional liberal voter and the Liberal government over the last ten years has been making huge inroads with the sub sets to win their votes. Is Carney throwing away all the goodwill established by Trudeau? Will the sub sets come out to support and vote for Carney? Unions seem to be pretty upset as well because Carney has eliminated the Minister of Labour which is an odd move. They are calling him a leader for big business and not the workers by dumping that Ministry.

And JT was about to get annihilated in the next election because of it.
You're right that it won't please everyone, but as someone who wanted a more centrist party, it's music to my ears.

The NDP/Liberal type governance we saw in recent years can't go on; the far right populist movement isn't something I want either and was only gathering steam because of it.
He is making it very clear he's not just another JT.

[curves2000]

I don't know if limiting or getting rid of the F35 jets is the best solution in order to get partially back at the US. The delivery of our airforce jets has been delayed and delayed and studied to death. We need to move forward and on with the actual plan that has been discussed since 2006?. Short of another suitable replacement being delivered exact same time, there are other ways we can make our point.

We will probably just end up paying large penalties for canceling, pissing off Trump or the next administration and ending up with a jet that isn't the preferred or best option. Our forces deserve the respect, the best and for put this procurement mess to bed finally.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Locke

How does that affect our 2% NATO commitment?

I wouldn't worry, we can just buy that sub France helpfully delivered to Halifax. I'd wager those MdCNs are probably pretty pricey.

Originally Posted by rubecube

Ekos tends to lean Liberal, but not by this much.

https://www.ekospolitics.com/index.p...behind-carney/

Holy ####.

I mean I also said this when Kamala had her surge before the convention but maybe we were all wrong and this won't be a coronation after all.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I don't know if limiting or getting rid of the F35 jets is the best solution in order to get partially back at the US. The delivery of our airforce jets has been delayed and delayed and studied to death. We need to move forward and on with the actual plan that has been discussed since 2006?. Short of another suitable replacement being delivered exact same time, there are other ways we can make our point.

We will probably just end up paying large penalties for canceling, pissing off Trump or the next administration and ending up with a jet that isn't the preferred or best option. Our forces deserve the respect, the best and for put this procurement mess to bed finally.

Getting out of the F35 isn't a fault of Canada but of the U.S and their geopolitical stance. Remember, they don't need us. They don't need us to buy their stuff. Besides, we couldn't use them to defend ourselves against the U.S if they move on us when we got them, or if they'd even start sending Jets to us while they're still deciding when they're going to annex us.

The 20th time trump said publicly we need to be the 51st state was the time Canada should have ripped the F35 contract up.

Want no part of a struggling 5th gen fighter made by a country who is actively putting us under threat. It's essentially useless junk right now.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Getting out of the F35 isn't a fault of Canada but of the U.S and their geopolitical stance. Remember, they don't need us. They don't need us to buy their stuff. Besides, we couldn't use them to defend ourselves against the U.S if they move on us when we got them, or if they'd even start sending Jets to us while they're still deciding when they're going to annex us.

The 20th time trump said publicly we need to be the 51st state was the time Canada should have ripped the F35 contract up.

Want no part of a struggling 5th gen fighter made by a country who is actively putting us under threat. It's essentially useless junk right now.

I totally understand the anger and the sentiment, I really do. I just don't know if canceling that contract is in Canada's best overall interests from a military perspective globally. A lot of our allies and NATO partners have or will have F35 jets very soon. I don't know if it's the best but is considered a top jet. As I said in my post, if we can find a suitable replacement within the same time frame, maybe something to think about. I suspect the sentiment and the reaction is more emotional. This has been studied and studied for ages and the same conclusion is reached. It's not like our existing fleet or a rival jet from France would better protect us from a US invasion.

We can use other military dollars for a more home grown defense industry, strike deals for energy and minerals with more international partners. There is a lot we should do going forward now that we have a fractured relationship.

Sec State Rubio let an interesting tidbit at the G7 meetings. Indicated that Trudeau had told Trump that with those tariffs, Canada economically wouldn't really be able to compete as an independent state. Wither or no that happened I don't know and some on this forum may wish to disagree but these tariffs/trade war indicate the different level we do business going forward needs to change. It's a completely different mindset and I don't think poking a 10 time larger sized bear right off the bat will help us.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Holy ####.

I mean I also said this when Kamala had her surge before the convention but maybe we were all wrong and this won't be a coronation after all.

I maintain she would have won if she had been allowed to properly distance herself from Biden.

That entire campaign was a masterclass in tripping over your own dick.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Nah, there was absolutely nothing she or any other potential candidate could realistically have done to win. If it was close I'd agree with you but the cake was baked. Maybe if they'd done a full primary process, but probably not.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I totally understand the anger and the sentiment, I really do. I just don't know if canceling that contract is in Canada's best overall interests from a military perspective globally. A lot of our allies and NATO partners have or will have F35 jets very soon. I don't know if it's the best but is considered a top jet. As I said in my post, if we can find a suitable replacement within the same time frame, maybe something to think about. I suspect the sentiment and the reaction is more emotional. This has been studied and studied for ages and the same conclusion is reached. It's not like our existing fleet or a rival jet from France would better protect us from a US invasion.

We can use other military dollars for a more home grown defense industry, strike deals for energy and minerals with more international partners. There is a lot we should do going forward now that we have a fractured relationship.

Sec State Rubio let an interesting tidbit at the G7 meetings. Indicated that Trudeau had told Trump that with those tariffs, Canada economically wouldn't really be able to compete as an independent state. Wither or no that happened I don't know and some on this forum may wish to disagree but these tariffs/trade war indicate the different level we do business going forward needs to change. It's a completely different mindset and I don't think poking a 10 time larger sized bear right off the bat will help us.

The Rubio thing is bull####. That's just a trump talking point.

The F35 issue is that not only does the 'kill switch' exist in terms of operational efficiency and dependence on the american infrastructure, any upgrades or systemic maintenance has to be done in the states, by the states. There is serious dependence on a nation that is proving themselves untrustworthy.

The F35s won for two reasons. It's the superior fighter, when perfect conditions exist between Canada and the states. There were also economic-political factors in play.

The Saab is cheaper, was made for the northern climate, is cheaper to fly and maintain (by quite a bit) and Canada would have full control over the planes.

This isn't a 'get back at america' moment. This is a 'is our partner trustworthy?' moment.

[mikephoen]

Canada shouldn't bother buying fighters at all. The advances in drone tech in Ukraine show the future of war. We should just go all in on drone production, signal jamming tech (to stop opposing drones) and eventually tech to knock out communication/spy satellites. Jets and tanks will be as obsolete as cavalry in the near future of war.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Man, calgarygeologist sounds like the easiest employee ever. In lieu of an actual substantive promotion, just make the title sound better. "We're promoting you from Geologist to Super Geologist."

This actually is very important to many people and works.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I maintain she would have won if she had been allowed to properly distance herself from Biden.

That entire campaign was a masterclass in tripping over your own dick.

When they quit letting Walz call them weirdos it went downhill from there

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by GGG

This actually is very important to many people and works.

I was pretty unhappy when I got the work and responsibilities of the next job up without the title.

I also would have liked the money

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

When they quit letting Walz call them weirdos it went downhill from there

He was never the same after the debate.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I was pretty unhappy when I got the work and responsibilities of the next job up without the title.

And the pay?
I have no cares about my title, what i do and what i get paid is what matters.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

In spite of the parroting slogans, do you think the voting public are dumb enough to believe that PP is about to behave like Trump?. Who would you say is the Musk equivalent? And who are the wealthy, influential men who surround him.

Poilievre - and much of the grass-roots CPC membership - want to do a lot of the same things as Trump: take a chainsaw to government programs, disregard institutional expertise on everything from education to public health, promote emotionally appealing but ineffective crime policies, weaken the independence of the courts, promote conspiracy theories about global elites, and in general exploit anger and resentment to sew distrust in our public institutions and norms. You don’t need billionaire allies to carry out that program.

[WideReceiver]

Just listened to a Walz speech. It’s sad he’s not VP.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I maintain she would have won if she had been allowed to properly distance herself from Biden.

That entire campaign was a masterclass in tripping over your own dick.

I disagree. The table was set for Trump no matter what. Michelle Obama would not have won.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Canada shouldn't bother buying fighters at all. The advances in drone tech in Ukraine show the future of war. We should just go all in on drone production, signal jamming tech (to stop opposing drones) and eventually tech to knock out communication/spy satellites. Jets and tanks will be as obsolete as cavalry in the near future of war.

Well since we already bought 16 F35s, we need to remote kamikaze 3 of them into MarLargo when the Rapist in town. Money well spent.

But yeah that is the way to go. A million drones instead of 88 fighters.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Canada shouldn't bother buying fighters at all. The advances in drone tech in Ukraine show the future of war. We should just go all in on drone production, signal jamming tech (to stop opposing drones) and eventually tech to knock out communication/spy satellites. Jets and tanks will be as obsolete as cavalry in the near future of war.

Totally agree. Especially for Arctic management.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by troutman

I disagree. The table was set for Trump no matter what. Michelle Obama would not have won.

When the world’s richest man is determined to buy an election and a president, you can’t compete with that.