03-13-2025, 10:28 AM
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#7881
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
He seems to be taking the market implosion well.

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Another pile of lies.
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03-13-2025, 10:28 AM
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#7882
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Pickle Jar Lake
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Originally Posted by Leondros
I don't really understand how she would even get a TN visa. She is clearly not a professional accountant, engineer, scientist, etc. that this visa was designed for. When I had mine the immigration lawyers had about 5 things drafted and needed my professional designation paperwork.
Looking at her linkedin (no degrees) and based on the article she would not qualify which that, on top of the hemp ingredients in the business she was consulting for would be huge red flags. A self employed person cannot get a TN visa and you need your organization to sponsor you. Hence the letterhead etc.
Reading the article it sounds like she was self employed and working with another freelancer. Hence no company letterhead and likely no corporate sponsor.
Now, should she have been detained for a long period of time? Hell no. This is a clear overreaction from ICE. But I think its fearmongering to suggest this case is a reason for the general public traveling to the states to be worried.
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So my point is that it doesn't really matter what she did. If an immigration officer thinks you did something wrong you could be in this system before you know what is even going on. And the system is a black hole.
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03-13-2025, 10:31 AM
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#7883
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by calgarygeologist
Your situation and that of any other Canadian visiting the US on vacation is going to be vastly different than someone who is there trying to work while on a revoked visa.
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When she was coming back into the U.S. from Mexico and the visa issue was brought up, the normal thing to do is give the person the choice of whether they wanted to withdraw from entering, not letting them through and immediately detaining them. Or they could have just denied her entry and told her to sort it out on the other side or back in Canada.
They basically granted her entry for the sole purpose of detaining her.
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03-13-2025, 10:33 AM
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#7884
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GGG
He just doesn’t see that low oil prices and low interest rates are a sign of a contracting economy. The markets are predicting recession.
He is the embodiment of the “everything is fine” meme.
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It's more a matter of him being unerringly focused on the "we will win on everything", which is defined as "this will hurt them more than it hurts us". It's a sports team approach to global trade - if I make a deal with a smaller nation and I get $100 million out of it and they get $150 million out of it, they're "screwing" us and we're "subsidizing" them, because they're getting more out of it than us, and how can that be? We're America. So we're going to hurt them until we arrive at a new status quo where they get less out of trading with us than we do, even if that means we suddenly get $20 million and they get $10.
Somehow that loss of $80 million in value to America is still a "win", because we're "beating" the other guys.
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03-13-2025, 10:38 AM
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#7885
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
So my point is that it doesn't really matter what she did. If an immigration officer thinks you did something wrong you could be in this system before you know what is even going on. And the system is a black hole.
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Fair and unfortunately this isn't the only case. It certainly appears there has been escalation. I certainly feel bad for her and actually have 6 mutual friends on Linkedin with her.
These are very similar stories, not visa related. ICE detention is not just happening at the South border.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...m-us-detention
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Brösche and Lofving had attempted to enter the US from Tijuana in Mexico on 25 January. The two were travelling with tattoo equipment. Lofving said that Brösche was arrested and taken away by officers on the border. The US immigration authorities, Ice, assumed Brösche was intending to work illegally in the US, Lofving said. Her friend was in possession of an Esta travel permit.
According to Brösche’s Instagram profile, she had only intended to stay in LA until mid-February. Germany’s foreign ministry confirmed it had worked together with its consulate general in LA to resolve the issue.
Sielaff returned to Germany last week after spending two weeks in detention, after his entry permit was cancelled at the Mexican border, amid suspicions by the US authorities that he had remained in the US longer than he was allowed.
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He was arrested at the border point at San Ysidro on 18 February. He had entered the US on a tourist visa and with his girlfriend, Lennon Tyler, had subsequently visited Mexico where they had taken her dog to the vet. According to Tyler, on their return to the US, Sielaff had incorrectly answered a question as to where he lived, due to his poor grasp of English. He had said Las Vegas, where he was staying with Tyler, his fiancee, when he should have said Germany, where he permanently resides, she said.
After two weeks in detention, Sielaff was allowed to leave. His girlfriend said she booked him a flight from San Diego to Munich on 6 March. In an interview with the Swiss daily Tages-Anzeiger, Tyler warned people against travelling to the US. “Don’t come here,” she said. “Especially not if you’re on a tourist visa, and especially not over the Mexican border.”
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https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-tod...?region=global
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03-13-2025, 10:47 AM
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#7886
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Drak
Not really the same but in the late 90s I applied for a student work visa to the US. When I went to the WA border the guy initially dealing with me was a crank. He started making remarks about “foreigners stealing our jobs” and was questioning my intentions. Luckily someone much nicer and higher up the food chain heard the conversation and stepped in and pushed the first guy aside and stamped my papers.
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They can basically deny entry for any reason they want, even if it's just a hunch or gut feeling. I had a friend who drove from Southern Ontario to Vancouver and he was going to cross at Windsor and go through the U.S. He was turned away because he had a weed whacker and some other random gardening tools in his trunk and they thought maybe he might illegally work in the U.S.
Which is fine, deny whoever you want for whatever reason. I have no problem with that, but to let someone in just to detain them seems overly aggressive.
The whole idea of privately owned for-profit detention centers plays a roll in this I suspect.
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03-13-2025, 10:53 AM
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#7887
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Another pile of lies.
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He wants us to believe a convicted felon with a record of lies over the Wall Street Journal? I saw Theo tweet the very same thing.
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03-13-2025, 10:53 AM
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#7888
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
When she was coming back into the U.S. from Mexico and the visa issue was brought up, the normal thing to do is give the person the choice of whether they wanted to withdraw from entering, not letting them through and immediately detaining them. Or they could have just denied her entry and told her to sort it out on the other side or back in Canada.
They basically granted her entry for the sole purpose of detaining her.
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She wasn't granted entry and detained. She was detained at the border for visa irregularities. CBP have the option to detain people and that is what happened.
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A. Detentions and immigration enforcement in the United States
1. General issues
99. Noncitizens in U.S. immigration detention fall into two broad categories: noncitizens detained at the border or a port of entry; and those apprehended in the interior of the United States. At a border or port of entry, any person who cannot prove United States citizenship, valid LPR status, or possession of a valid visa to the satisfaction of an immigration officer, may end up in immigration detention if found to be “inadmissible” to the U.S.[122] Similarly, noncitizens apprehended in the interior, who entered the United States unlawfully, LPRs or US citizens who cannot prove their status, or noncitizens who violated immigration laws after entry thereby becoming “removable” (or “deportable”), may also be detained.[123] Summarizing, undocumented migrants, noncitizens with visas, LPRs and, on occasion, even U.S. citizens can end up in immigration detention.[124]
b. Arriving aliens
119. Like asylum seekers and persons fleeing persecution, other noncitizens who are detained at the border or a port of entry because immigration officials cannot confirm their admissibility, are designated as “arriving aliens.”[163] Under certain circumstances, even legal permanent residents (LPRs) may be treated as arriving aliens until there is a determination confirming their admissibility.[164] This category of arriving noncitizens, who may have a valid visa or status to be admitted into the United States, are not subject to the summary “expedited removal” procedure and thus have access to judicial review of their cases.[165] Even so, like other “arriving aliens,” this class of arriving noncitizens is detained until their claim to be admitted is resolved in immigration court.[166]
120. Arriving noncitizens designated as “arriving aliens” have a limited range of rights to obtain release from preventive detention.[167] “Arriving aliens” cannot seek release on bond or any other review of their detention before an immigration judge;[168] they are only eligible to apply for parole.[169] Parole allows for release from custody, but it is granted at the sole discretion of ICE[170] and there is no review of ICE’s parole decisions by an independent judge or court.[171] Furthermore, the application for parole in the case of “arriving aliens” is the exception, and parole decisions in such cases happen only for “urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit.”[172]
121. ICE conducts a two-step process to determine if an arriving noncitizen should be paroled. First, an arriving noncitizen must demonstrate that he or she is not a security risk or does not pose a risk of absconding.[173] Nevertheless, even if the arriving noncitizen satisfies this requirement, only limited groups of noncitizens will be eligible for parole. The federal regulations single out the following as the eligible groups: noncitizens with serious medical conditions; pregnant women; juveniles; witnesses in judicial, administrative, or legislative proceedings; and noncitizens whose continued detention is not in the public interest.[174] Even if an arriving noncitizen qualifies for parole under this two-step process, it is still in ICE’s exclusive discretion to parole that noncitizen, and ICE’s discretionary decision is not subject to judicial review. Furthermore, ICE can seek other assurances from the detainee before parole, such as setting a parole bond amount and periodic reporting requirements.[175]
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https://cidh.org/countryrep/USImmigration/Chap.IV.a.htm
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03-13-2025, 10:54 AM
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#7889
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
Are border agents, simple rental cop security guards?
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Hyperbole, but I've had enough poor experiences with uneducated powertrips from a meathead at the border that I view them through the lens of "you wanted to be a transit cop, but were too regularly drunk during training".
"Here's my passport". It's about 2 months from expiry, hence the trip to get it renewed.
Guy pulls out a magnifying glass and starts flipping through his glossy magazine of ye ol ' passports.
My passport isn't in ye ol book. Tells me to stand aside while he calls his supervisor. I wait. And wait. And wait.
30 min later, supervisor shows up. I volunteer that it's an older passport, and my trip is to get it renewed.
"Sir, we don't need to hear from you".
GFY mall cop.
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03-13-2025, 11:01 AM
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#7890
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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To some extent the TN Process is designed to be relatively barrier free, at the descretion of border guards. Given Trump has already violated CUSMA, I would not have personally chosen to attempt to gain entry under a program largely defined by a treaty he's already violated.
There's definitely a healthy dose of personal responsibility involved here, but I highly agree with FA and Leondros that the ICE detention is a step far beyond anything I would even have guessed at. It really doesn't make a lot of sense unless their goal is to incarcerate. The easy solution would just have been to deny her entry and leave her stranded in Mexico.
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03-13-2025, 11:02 AM
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#7891
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
He seems to be taking the market implosion well.

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Doesn't Murdoch's News Corps own the WSJ?
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03-13-2025, 11:03 AM
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#7892
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evil of fart
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The Canadian ones are just as bad.
During COVID I had to drive to the States for some executor work that was required for my uncle who had a US green card and lived in Arizona, but was still a Canadian. This was when the border was closed, but you could get permission to pass through on special business, which this was.
Anyway, I had to get tested in the US for Covid 24 hours before returning to Canada at the land border and a bunch of other paperwork was required. I thought I had it all, but was missing some random thing the government had just made up recently. I got to the Canadian side and he wouldn't let me through without the checkmark in some online thing. Didn't seem like a big deal, except there were jammers or something at the border preventing me from getting on the Internet. Okay...I'll drive back to the States, find a town with Internet, check this box and come back. Nope, dude wouldn't let me leave. Okay, so WTF do you want me to do? Do I just live at the border crossing now? Turn out he just wanted me to stand there for three hours and then let me go.
They're such fk faces it makes travel barely worth it.
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03-13-2025, 11:03 AM
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#7893
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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I thought Bezos owned the WSJ these days.
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03-13-2025, 11:04 AM
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#7894
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
Doesn't Murdoch's News Corps own the WSJ?
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The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) is owned by Dow Jones & Company, a division of News Corp, a media conglomerate controlled by Rupert Murdoch's family.
You are right!
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03-13-2025, 11:05 AM
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#7895
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: east van
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It's ironic that what Trump is doing via his minions and lackeys is teach us 'white folks' what life has been like for brown people and third world countries since the dawn of the US, random detentions, threats of war if we don't tow the US line and let them exploit us etc, basically the US now views/treats Canada as a Northern Guatemala
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03-13-2025, 11:10 AM
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#7896
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Apartment 5A
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Originally Posted by calgarygeologist
She wasn't granted entry and detained. She was detained at the border for visa irregularities. CBP have the option to detain people and that is what happened.
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Your ability to defend ####ty actions by ####ty people is amazing.
Did she #### up? Probably, yes. But the actions of the CBP and ICE are very reprehensible
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03-13-2025, 11:13 AM
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#7897
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: North Vancouver
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At what point do Republicans finally snap and say enough is enough. I realize they’re all spineless turds and they have to appease the orange clown in front of the cameras, but behind closed doors I’m willing to bet that the majority of them aren’t happy about any of this insanity and want it to stop. Ford even said so the other day when he described speaking to GOP members privately.
Like the saying goes, every person has a breaking point. What is theirs?? Any sane, rational human being can see that Trump has gone completely off the rails, is not well mentally, and is causing severe harm to the U.S. economy and their reputation around the globe.
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03-13-2025, 11:13 AM
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#7898
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
It's ironic that what Trump is doing via his minions and lackeys is teach us 'white folks' what life has been like for brown people and third world countries since the dawn of the US, random detentions, threats of war if we don't tow the US line and let them exploit us etc, basically the US now views/treats Canada as a Northern Guatemala
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There's actually a theory that it's the opposite and that the appeal to annexation of a lot of people down there is to absorb Canada's mostly white population into the USA's as a supply of about 35 million caucasians, to offset the influx of "brown people" that have come in from the South.
That theory is so incredibly off putting that it is unpleasant to even entertain as a motivation but I'm sure there are plenty of "14 words" people who see that as a good reason for the whole endeavour.
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03-13-2025, 11:15 AM
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#7899
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by calgarygeologist
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Yes, the letter of the law gives them broad powers, but there is a difference between "may" be detained, and "needs" to be detained. Everyone should consider what is normal and appropriate under the circumstances for an incomplete visa application for someone without a criminal record or history of illegal entry. Enforcing the law by defaulting to the most extreme measures isn't, or should not be, the intent of any free and democratic nation.
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03-13-2025, 11:16 AM
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#7900
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
There's actually a theory that it's the opposite and that the appeal to annexation of a lot of people down there is to absorb Canada's mostly white population into the USA's as a supply of about 35 million caucasians, to offset the influx of "brown people" that have come in from the South.
That theory is so incredibly off putting that it is unpleasant to even entertain as a motivation but I'm sure there are plenty of "14 words" people who see that as a good reason for the whole endeavour.
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Still boggles me that any republican would "want" a more liberal california essentially joining the union.
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