2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I like Dahlin but he is not even the best defencemen in his draft class. Not sure the scouts got the consensus right.

Tough to say.

There probably was a strong case that Dahlin was the best player in his draft at that time. As it turns out both Dallas and Colorado were far far better organizations for a teenager to join. I’d argue that has had an impact on all the players, good and not so good.

In an alternate universe if Makar goes to Buffalo, is he the best D in the game? Who knows but I think there’s good reason to believe it’s no slam dunk.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Tough to say.

There probably was a strong case that Dahlin was the best player in his draft at that time. As it turns out both Dallas and Colorado were far far better organizations for a teenager to join. I’d argue that has had an impact on all the players, good and not so good.

In an alternate universe if Makar goes to Buffalo, is he the best D in the game? Who knows but I think there’s good reason to believe it’s no slam dunk.

Drafting is only half the battle, development is just as important.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Being 6’5” played a big part in Dahlen going #1 OA

Dahlin is currently listed at 6'3", and was drafted at 6'2"

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Tough to say.

There probably was a strong case that Dahlin was the best player in his draft at that time. As it turns out both Dallas and Colorado were far far better organizations for a teenager to join. I’d argue that has had an impact on all the players, good and not so good.

In an alternate universe if Makar goes to Buffalo, is he the best D in the game? Who knows but I think there’s good reason to believe it’s no slam dunk.

I'm pretty sure he means Hughes as the top D taken in that 2018 draft. IMO VAN was just as much of a mess as BUF at the time.

I'd still take Dahlin over the likes of Bouchard and Dobson though.

[indes]

I bet Chicago goes hard for Marner. Marner Bedard would make for a fantastic 2/3 of a top line.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by indes

I bet Chicago goes hard for Marner. Marner Bedard would make for a fantastic 2/3 of a top line.

To me Marner needs to be on a deep team where he’s not the only one teams best shut down dmen focus on. In the playoffs they shut him down hard. In Chicago they would likely be tough put their best d on the two of them and perhaps be successful. If he were to play on a team like Florida or Tampa he could be wildly successful as defence is stretched to cover many guys.

[Bingo]

I get a kick out of the notion that someone feels it necessary to make sure Flames fans don't get to high on the horse.

If you're a fan of this team the horse is more of a mule, and he's a few steps from the glue factory.

Not sure we need to make sure people don't get too excited!

Plus it's not Dahlin vs Parekh.

It's the difference between the two + the other assets Calgary has to give up.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I get a kick out of the notion that someone feels it necessary to make sure Flames fans don't get to high on the horse.

If you're a fan of this team the horse is more of a mule, and he's a few steps from the glue factory.

Not sure we need to make sure people don't get too excited!

Plus it's not Dahlin vs Parekh.

It's the difference between the two + the other assets Calgary has to give up.

Parehk's amazing and his ceiling is a top defender in this league and one of the best this organization has ever seen.

Dahlin's only 24 and already an allstar in the NHL.

It's just hedging risk through sacrificing potential for certainty.


I still think Parehk is the most exciting skater prospect this team has had since Tkachuk and there isn't really a ceiling on how good he can be.

But yeah it depends on the ++. If it was straight accross I would strongly consider it though. It's a mute point as it almost certainly won't happen.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I get a kick out of the notion that someone feels it necessary to make sure Flames fans don't get to high on the horse.

If you're a fan of this team the horse is more of a mule, and he's a few steps from the glue factory.

Not sure we need to make sure people don't get too excited!

Plus it's not Dahlin vs Parekh.

It's the difference between the two + the other assets Calgary has to give up.

Also skipping a few years of ELC salary vs 11 mill.

[CFO]

I see Parehk ceiling as a healthy Erik Karlsson.

Guy was basically Makar before the I juries.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I'm pretty sure if we ended up drafting McKenna there would be the same crowd saying we need to temper expectations. Either they underestimate or they don't grasp what Parekh has accomplished. Dahlin is a very good D man but at the same age he was not remotely doing what Parekh has. We are talking about a player who's ceiling is not Dahlin, it's generational D man. That isn't to say that's what he will become but the possibility is there and that means there is no chance you trade that player. Parekh hitting his potential ceiling means he is the best player to come out of his draft, Macklin included.

This is not true. Dahlin had 44 points in the ACTUAL NHL in his draft+1 season. Parekh's NHLE is 46 (according to another poster)... Dahlin was also younger in his d+1 year.

I get the hype around Parekh and that he's put up a historically special season in the OHL but to ignore how amazing Dahlin was at the same age and how great he is now -- on a very crap team -- isn't a proper evaluation of the two players.

Yes, be excited about him, but if Calgary gets offered Dahlin for Parkeh 1:1, it'd probably be smart for them to take it because of the pitfalls of development. You can't just assume he's going to be better than arguably the best young defender in the NHL.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I feel like we had this convo with Wolf in recent years

It's funny, cause I was on the other side of the Wolf convo (saying don't trade him), but that was because the trade comparison wasn't Dahlin (or a 1:1 for Oettinger). If Dahlin's on the table, the Flames have to think long and hard about it.

Context is important.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I get a kick out of the notion that someone feels it necessary to make sure Flames fans don't get to high on the horse.

If you're a fan of this team the horse is more of a mule, and he's a few steps from the glue factory.

Not sure we need to make sure people don't get too excited!

Plus it's not Dahlin vs Parekh.

It's the difference between the two + the other assets Calgary has to give up.

It's funny because I only saw the Parekh-Bouchard comparison from Oiler fans on twitter trying to troll Flames fans. They don't even like Bouchard, he's their #1 whipping boy. Now here twice in the past week you have multiple contrarians on this forum making this comparison like it's sensible and nuanced

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

It's funny, cause I was on the other side of the Wolf convo (saying don't trade him), but that was because the trade comparison wasn't Dahlin (or a 1:1 for Oettinger). If Dahlin's on the table, the Flames have to think long and hard about it.

Context is important.

I wouldn't trade Wolf for any goalie in the NHL

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I get a kick out of the notion that someone feels it necessary to make sure Flames fans don't get to high on the horse.

If you're a fan of this team the horse is more of a mule, and he's a few steps from the glue factory.

Not sure we need to make sure people don't get too excited!

Plus it's not Dahlin vs Parekh.

It's the difference between the two + the other assets Calgary has to give up.

God forbid fans get excited!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Also skipping a few years of ELC salary vs 11 mill.

such a massive factor along with age

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I get a kick out of the notion that someone feels it necessary to make sure Flames fans don't get to high on the horse.

I don't see it this way at all.

For me, part of the allure of CP is it's not just a fanboy forum. At its best, there's objectivity, at least more than we see from our closest rivals wherever they congregate.

When it comes to prospects and hyping them up, you never go full Robbie Schremp, no matter how excited you are.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Torture

God forbid fans get excited!

Whose saying fans can't get excited for Parehk?

I'm ####ing excited and think he'll be a star.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I wouldn't trade Wolf for any goalie in the NHL

You wouldn't have traded Wolf for a 24-year-old Jake Oettinger 2 years ago?

I get now, and I'm there as well, but that's not the same discussion.

[PepsiFree]

Bouchard is a bonkers comparable. That’s just people looking at draft position. Parekh has already outscored him in their OHL careers by Bouchard’s highest single season total (in less games!).

I wouldn’t trade Parekh for Dahlin straight up. Parekh might be better, might not be, but the age and contract considerations make a big difference and Parekh fits the timeline of what the Flames are trying to do.

Acquiring Dahlin would only make sense in a Phaneuf kind of trade. You’d need Buffalo to make a mistake. Something like Andersson/Weegar/Kadri/Huberdeau + Coronato/Zary/Pospisil + picks.

Obviously you’d still have to give up something of value, but you’d have to move a bigger contract attached to an older player as one of the pieces for it to make sense.

I don’t think there’s any way Buffalo gets prime value for Dahlin.