The Tariff Thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

I can't believe I am saying this, but Rand Paul is one of the few you sound sane. He is going around telling the media how these tariffs are not good and hurting them.

[mogg]

Originally Posted by Azure

On the export tax that Ontario has on power going south, who is actually paying the government of Ontario?

I think it’s just the American utilities purchasing Ontario power. The utilities then pass the costs on to their customers. The CBC estimated the tax will cost the average household about $100 per month.

[T-Dog]

How do we feel about Alberta putting a 25% export tax on O&G and Saskatchewan putting a similar one on potash? It seems to me these are two big levers we can pull as a country and I'm in favour of a united national response. The US clearly saw these two imports as an area of weakness for them, given the reduced 10% tariff rate.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The issue is that there are other places to send the potash. There's nowhere else to send dilbit.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The issue is that there are other places to send the potash. There's nowhere else to send dilbit.

I'd be in favour of that IF we get agreement that we're going to build another pipeline west on an emergency/expedited basis.

We need to stand united against this nonsense. But that goes two ways - Alberta needs to support the rest of Canada but the rest of Canada needs to help us out as well.

[Slava]

The other issue is who’s paying these taxes. On electricity and potash, I can see how that’s gets added to the price. How does that work for oil? I assume that’s sold at the market price and the taxes are paid by the exporter, which makes that a harder sell?

[Puckbag]

Interesting how the nation is up in arms about Trump applying tarriffs, yet when China hammers Western Canadian farmers with tarriffs on canola, pork and peas, it's a ho hum reaction. At least it seems like that from media and federal government reactions in comparison.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Because the US is supposed to be our friend and ally.

China is the opposite.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Puckbag

Interesting how the nation is up in arms about Trump applying tarriffs, yet when China hammers Western Canadian farmers with tarriffs on canola, pork and peas, it's a ho hum reaction. At least it seems like that from media and federal government reactions in comparison.

One is our closest ally and someone we have close ties with and a trading arrangement. The other is not.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Because the US is supposed to be our friend and ally.

China is the opposite.

And because nobody cares about western Canada because the votes don’t matter.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Puckbag

Interesting how the nation is up in arms about Trump applying tarriffs, yet when China hammers Western Canadian farmers with tarriffs on canola, pork and peas, it's a ho hum reaction. At least it seems like that from media and federal government reactions in comparison.

Trump's tariffs are in violation of the USCMA which itself was Trump's negotiated successor to NAFTA, which itself was the successor to CUSFTA, which went into effect on January 2nd 1988

The Canadian industry has developed for the past 37 years around largely free trade with its only land-connected neighbor with mutual benefits. The auto industry in Ontario, our own O&G industry... the money spent to develop these - infrastructure, facilities, regulations has a dependency on trade with USA.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Puckbag

It's Obvious why the nation is up in arms about Trump applying tarriffs, yet when China hammers Western Canadian farmers with tarriffs on canola, pork and peas, it's a ho hum reaction. At least it seems like that from media and federal government reactions in comparison.

Fixed your post

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Puckbag

Interesting how the nation is up in arms about Trump applying tarriffs, yet when China hammers Western Canadian farmers with tarriffs on canola, pork and peas, it's a ho hum reaction. At least it seems like that from media and federal government reactions in comparison.

If you can't figure out the difference, you are beyond hope.

[Puckbag]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

If you can't figure out the difference, you are beyond hope.

Thank you for that. What I'm trying to convey, we have tariffs placed on the weekend that have already had major impact. Canola was limit down today and many grain elevators pulled bids to canola and peas this morning. Please realize this was in retaliation to Canadian tariffs on Chinese steel and EV's that was done months ago. Just would be nice to see the federal gov't have the same tenacity and urgent reaction to all tariffs (real and threats) regardless from what countries it comes from.

[puffnstuff]

The orange menace has posted again...

Despite the fact that Canada is charging the USA from 250% to 390% Tariffs on many of our farm products, Ontario just announced a 25% surcharge on “electricity,” of all things, and your not even allowed to do that. Because our Tariffs are reciprocal, we’ll just get it all back on April 2. Canada is a Tariff abuser, and always has been, but the United States is not going to be subsidizing Canada any longer. We don’t need your Cars, we don’t need your Lumber, we don’t your Energy, and very soon, you will find that out. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!

Can hear his petulant little whine about 'your(sic) not even allowed to do that'

[direwolf]

Lol, Canada is a tariff abuser? He's the one who violated his own trade deal and started this whole thing. What a f'n clown.

Also, where is he getting that 390% number? I assume it's just another random made-up number that slipped out of his stupid brain.

[chummer]

Not sure why he's so worried about the 25% surcharge on electricity when he doesn't need it.

Wait till Ford cuts them off completely, bring it on.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by chummer

Not sure why he's so worried about the 25% surcharge on electricity when he doesn't need it.

Wait till Ford cuts them off completely, bring it on.

I really don't think Ford would go that far. Cutting them off completely would be a massive escalation, and Canada needs to be very careful here. We just need to keep matching dollar for dollar tariffs as much as we can and buy ourselves enough time to diversify our economy and wean ourselves off the U.S. as much as possible. It's gonna suck for a while, but I think we can do this and hopefully come out stronger on the other side.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I really don't think Ford would go that far. Cutting them off completely would be a massive escalation, and Canada needs to be very careful here. We just need to keep matching dollar for dollar tariffs as much as we can and buy ourselves enough time to diversify our economy and wean ourselves off the U.S. as much as possible. It's gonna suck for a while, but I think we can do this and hopefully come out stronger on the other side.

Yeah I agree and we will.

[Hockeyguy15]

I guess I missed the part where we had to sell power to the US. If the customer doesn't want to pay our price, they don't need to. Don't cut them off, just increase the rate to astronomical amounts and they can get it somewhere else.