2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Kadri has far more value than Brock Nelson, I’ll put it that way.
Colorado had familiarity with him and so the desire from their perspective was certainly there.

Kadri didn’t want to go.
Craig didn’t want futures, his goal is to make the playoffs.

Yep, from a rebuilding perspective I can’t say I disagree with the reaction to Ritchie and a first myself, but the talks never even got off the ground from Craig’s end.

He has a NMC and will only go to one team, that destroys all perceived value. That one team also doesn't have much to offer.


I'm not talking about how they play on the ice I think Kadri is a great player that lots of teams would love

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Well that sucks from multiple angles.

Sucks that Conroy is being really short sighted and not thinking even medium term for this team. Playoffs are a happy accident and shouldn't be the goal at all. He should be listening on every player.

Also sucks that in the end a Nazem Kadri NTC screwed up our asset management for the second time (Brodie + Jankowski for Kadri + Brown)

This is how this team has operated for the last 30 years.

[Burning Beard]

If I'm a Canadian with a trade protection I'm not waiving to bring my family down to the gong show that is the current United States.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

If I'm a Canadian with a trade protection I'm not waiving to bring my family down to the gong show that is the current United States.

Especially a Muslim Canadian

[browna]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Well that sucks from multiple angles.

Sucks that Conroy is being really short sighted and not thinking even medium term for this team. Playoffs are a happy accident and shouldn't be the goal at all. He should be listening on every player.

Also sucks that in the end a Nazem Kadri NTC screwed up our asset management for the second time (Brodie + Jankowski for Kadri + Brown)

Again, it's a non starter and irresponsible to make assumptions by linking a bunch of speculation together.

The Flames didn't go down any path and have it shut down. Kadri isn't available by his own and the teams admission before the season during the season and at the deadline.

And it's pure speculation by the Flames insider here that Kadri has much more value than Nelson to the Avs. Nelson was highly sought after by a number of playoff teams for his character, 5 on 5 play, and contract situation.

Avs were potentially interested in Crosby a few weeks ago too if he could join McKinnon, doesn't mean it was close to happening.

[dino7c]

I don't care who you are or who you know...if Kadri will only maybe go to Toronto and nowhere else he doesn't have much value

like its not even a debate

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Generally id agree with you But 33 year old UFAs don't usually get the return Nelson just did either.

2 hours ago if somebody proposed 1st + Ritchie for Nelson I would have laughed at them for being an Isles homer.

If you would have proposed Ritchie + 1st for Kadri yesterday I would have laughed at that too as a ridiculous proposal.

But now that a deal was actually made you have to at least wonder if maybe there was a chance it could have been on the table.

In the end if Kadri isn't available because he won't waive his NTC for Colorado then that's fine, but TBH I have a hard time seeing him say no if Mackinnon picked up the phone and said "come play here again and let's try to win a second cup"

Maybe sec or royle can confirm if they want, but I do not believe we advanced talks far enough where we would have asked if Kadri was open to waiving for Colorado. And that's the disappointing part, because as much as Kadri's "preference" may be to stay in Calgary, I do think he waives for Colorado if asked.

[LokiMotion]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Maybe sec or royle can confirm if they want, but I do not believe we advanced talks far enough where we would have asked if Kadri was open to waiving for Colorado. And that's the disappointing part, because as much as Kadri's "preference" may be to stay in Calgary, I do think he waives for Colorado if asked.

Royale confirmed in his last post "Kadri didn’t want to go" (to Colorado)

[saillias]

When I hear Friedman explain that the Flames want a quiet deadline because they're tired of the chaos and feel they "owe it to their vets" to not have a bunch of noise.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Kadri has far more value than Brock Nelson, I’ll put it that way.
Colorado had familiarity with him and so the desire from their perspective was certainly there.

Kadri didn’t want to go.
Craig didn’t want futures, his goal is to make the playoffs.

Yep, from a rebuilding perspective I can’t say I disagree with the reaction to Ritchie and a first myself, but the talks never even got off the ground from Craig’s end.

So, we can look forward to another decade of darkness then.

If this is true, why even bother as a Flames fan. Absolutely pathetic by management and ownership.

This team will never be a contender.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't care who you are or who you know...if Kadri will only maybe go to Toronto and nowhere else he doesn't have much value

like its not even a debate

It is debatable because the Flames don't have to move the player.

When a pending UFA has a NMC they have no value if they will only waive for one team, because there is a pressure point on the trade.

But in this case the Flames were in no need or rush to move Kadri. So the Avs (or Leafs) still have to meet the Flames asking price, and the Avs (or Leafs) also need to have a price they are willing to pay.

Regular market principles don't matter as much because Flames have no pressure to actually sell.

So it comes down to how much the Avs valued the player in comparisons to how much they valued alternative options like Nelson.

But in the end it's all moot if Kadri wouldn't actually waive to go anywhere in the end, but if he was willing to waive the Flames could still get value even if it's just one or two teams he'd waive for.

[browna]

Originally Posted by saillias

When I hear Friedman explain that the Flames want a quiet deadline because they're tired of the chaos and feel they "owe it to their vets" to not have a bunch of noise.

The faux paux Conroy made last year was not putting a lid on the Markstrom rumor for getting out, and then not dismissing it when it did get leaked when it shouldn't have.
That caused unnecessary noise and didn't help the relationship forward.
Everyone bought in in the offseason, they had a free pass to go if they wanted...they are in or they are out, before the season stsrts.

That, plus being in a playoff spot mostly unexpectedly, means that none of the vets plan on going, so there should be no noise around themselves, as per the plan.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It is debatable because the Flames don't have to move the player.

When a pending UFA has a NMC they have no value if they will only waive for one team, because there is a pressure point on the trade.

But in this case the Flames were in no need or rush to move Kadri. So the Avs still have to meet the Flames asking price, and the Avs also need to have a price they are willing to pay.

Regular market principles don't matter as much because Flames have no pressure to actually sell.

So it comes down to how much the Avs valued the player in comparisons to how much they valued alternative options like Nelson.

If you can't move him there is no value...Nelson got a lot because there was a bidding war with multiple teams

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

So, we can look forward to another decade of darkness then.

If this is true, why even bother as a Flames fan. Absolutely pathetic by management and ownership.

This team will never be a contender.

A bit dramatic

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

So, we can look forward to another decade of darkness then.

If this is true, why even bother as a Flames fan. Absolutely pathetic by management and ownership.

This team will never be a contender.

well at least he didn't over react lol

people seem to be skipping over the whole Kadri didn't want to move part...makes the rest irrelevant. Speculation the deal would have been the same is just speculation. Players and contracts are apples and oranges.

[browna]

Originally Posted by dino7c

well at least he didn't over react lol
.

Just missing a Murray Edwards CNRL reference.

[bigrangy]

Kadri, whatever. He’s got the NMC, is (relatively) underpaid because of it, so he gets to choose where he wants to go.

What chaps me is the Lindholm return compared to this Nelson trade. Took on significantly lesser assets and a cap dump for a player at least as good (at the time). It’s always hard to argue against sale prices in the moment but the deconstruction of the team last year definitely left big value on the table.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by browna

Just missing a Murray Edwards CNRL reference.

Lol I've actually had a dinner with Murray Edwards at the table years back. Let's just say he isn't the nicest person in the world.

Either way, I'll still watch the Flames. I'm also a Buffalo Bills fan so I know all about cheering for teams that will never win ha.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by LokiMotion

Royale confirmed in his last post "Kadri didn’t want to go" (to Colorado)

Did we ask Kadri to waive for Colorado and he said no, or did we not bother to progress talks to that point because Kadri's preference is to stay in Calgary? There's an important distinction there that speaks to how we are going about this.

A lot of players prefer to stay, but will waive if push comes to shove.

[NewFan]

By reading all the trades and returns I remember "in this life only your neighbors to be lucky ones"