2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's Ritchie that would be the get.

I like Kadri but he's 35 at the start of next season and he has 4 x $7M left. It's possible getting out of the last 2-3 years of that deal alone is a win.

A late first is just another lottery ticket.

But Ritchie is a 20 year old center who is 6'3" and has 67 points in 41 games this year. That changes the teams prospect pool entirely.

The other team knows this too though...which is why I doubt you could get the same deal

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's Ritchie that would be the get.

I like Kadri but he's 35 at the start of next season and he has 4 x $7M left. It's possible getting out of the last 2-3 years of that deal alone is a win.

A late first is just another lottery ticket.

But Ritchie is a 20 year old center who is 6'3" and has 67 points in 41 games this year. That changes the teams prospect pool entirely.

I did not realize his season was that strong. Impressive.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The other team knows this too though...which is why I doubt you could get the same deal

Particularly since even with the cap going up, the Avs have some hard contract stuff coming up

[dino7c]

I just hate the "why didn't we do that" complaints

Flames didn't have a Nelson with an expiring deal, that's why. The same people that complain about Kadri's age and contract don't think it effects the value?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The other team knows this too though...which is why I doubt you could get the same deal

It's not smart to give it up for a 33 year old rental either.

Kind of feels like Avs just really wanted a veteran center and were willing to pay any price.

I'd be shocked if they didn't value Kadri more or at least the same as Nelson.

Originally Posted by dino7c

I just hate the "why didn't we do that" complaints

Flames didn't have a Nelson with an expiring deal, that's why. The same people that complain about Kadri's age and contract don't think it effects the value?

The complaint is it doesn't sound like Conroy even engaged on the chats enough to potentially figure out if the deal was on the table because he wants to see this season through.

I trust Royle9 as an insider and it sounds like the Avs really wanted Kadri but the Flames weren't really engaging on talks so the Avs moved on.

My gut feeling on this is that Conroy's mindset is "we can see out this season, and the offers will still be there in the summer" and IMO that's a mistake.

In 22-23 the teams had a trade war, made a bunch of overpayments and what it led to was a really soft market in the summer when the Flames were trying to move Toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, etc.

In the end they were able to salvage things a bit but for Hanifin especially I bet they would have gotten a lot more the 23 deadline than they ended up getting in 24.

Don't make the same mistake here just because you're battling for a playoff spot. Asset management is everything and right now it's a sellers market. You need to be willing to listen and engage on any discussion, playoffs be damned.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's not smart to give it up for a 33 year old rental either.

Kind of feels like Avs just really wanted a veteran center and were willing to pay any price.

I'd be shocked if they didn't value Kadri more or at least the same as Nelson.

but you have no idea, taking on 4+ years of a contract is a totally different ball game. Kadri is already older than Nelson and locked up for 4 years. Its a different value for sure.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I just hate the "why didn't we do that" complaints

Flames didn't have a Nelson with an expiring deal, that's why. The same people that complain about Kadri's age and contract don't think it effects the value?

Here's what we know:

All the insiders and cinroy himself halve said they're not interested in moving these guys right now. Maybe this is accurate. Maybe it's misdirection. But this is what is being said publicly.

It's clearly a sellers market. We see the prices. They're high.



I think its safe to say there's some teams that would be interested in Kadri, coleman or Rasmus.


I dont think it's a stretch to think that if conroy was having discussions for these guys there would be a couple strong offers given the market.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's not smart to give it up for a 33 year old rental either.

Kind of feels like Avs just really wanted a veteran center and were willing to pay any price.

I'd be shocked if they didn't value Kadri more or at least the same as Nelson.



The complaint is it doesn't sound like Conroy even engaged on the chats enough to potentially figure out if the deal was on the table because he wants to see this season through.

I trust Royle9 as an insider and it sounds like the Avs really wanted Kadri but the Flames weren't really engaging on talks so the Avs moved on.

My gut feeling on this is that Conroy's mindset is "we can see out this season, and the offers will still be there in the summer" and IMO that's a mistake.

In 22-23 the teams had a trade war, made a bunch of overpayments and what it led to was a really soft market in the summer when the Flames were trying to move Toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, etc.

Don't make the same mistake here just because you're battling for a playoff spot. Asset management is everything and right now it's a sellers market. You need to be willing to listen and engage on any discussion, playoffs be damned.

come on now, nobody here really knows the full story...you also aren't gonna convince me Kadri has equal value with that contract. If the players are even the contract hurts Kadri.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

You’re the one that tried to “catch” me in an error.
My comment you responded to was calling out Paulie for his nonsense. That it.

100p.

Trent fell victim to one of the classic blunders!

The most famous of which is, 'never get involved in a land war in Asia,' but only slightly less well-known is this: 'Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!

And in this case the lesser known third classic blunder: never try and correct the verbage of a Louisianan perveyor of premium meat and delicious home made pies, especially those with full service Deli and a delicious selection of homemade prepared foods.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

come on now, nobody here really knows the full story

Of course. But why are we even posting here then. None of know the story, none of us play the games, we are here to discuss the team.

And what I was was "IF the offer was on the table for Kadri, and IF Kadri was willing to waive, then it's a colossal mistake"

Not like I'm saying to fire Conroy or something, just that if these things are true then he's taking way too short sighted of an approach with this deadline.

[Jason14h]

This is the way

When the Flames has UFA's the market is (relatively) soft
When the Flames are somehow in a playoff spot despite having the 2nd least GF the market it strong
When the Flames have cap room no one is paying
When the Flames need cap room we have to pay a first
When we should have a chance at a top drafted center we have weird make playoff seasons
When we should be good we miss playoffs

If any franchise is owed some good luck from the hockey gods it is us. I expect nothing

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Of course. But why are we even posting here then. None of know the story, none of us play the games, we are here to discuss the team.

And what I was was "IF the offer was on the table for Kadri, and IF Kadri was willing to waive, then it's a colossal mistake"

Not like I'm saying to fire Conroy or something, just that if these things are true then he's taking way too short sighted of an approach with this deadline.

Okay but people are getting upset about IFs it seems kinda silly.

No matter what you won't convince me that Kadri with 4+ years left has more value than a similar player that isn't locked in until 38. Term on players in their mid 30s decreases value...its not even really debatable. Also the NTC is potentially a massive factor.

[dissentowner]

As I have said before, everything I have heard is that Kadri wants to see this through in Calgary. If there was a possibility he would waive for any team it's Toronto. The guy wants to be near his family and he wants to be in Canada. I know that Colorado called about Kadri and was met with a not available response. I don't know if that was because Conroy already knows Kadri doesn't want to move or if he just wants to keep the player. I am not sure if it's Toronto calling with a big offer that the results are the same.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Okay but people are getting upset about IFs it seems kinda silly.

No matter what you won't convince me that Kadri with 4+ years left has more value than a similar player that isn't locked in until 38. Term on players in their mid 30s decreases value...its not even really debatable

Generally id agree with you But 33 year old UFAs don't usually get the return Nelson just did either.

2 hours ago if somebody proposed 1st + Ritchie for Nelson I would have laughed at them for being an Isles homer.

If you would have proposed Ritchie + 1st for Kadri yesterday I would have laughed at that too as a ridiculous proposal.

But now that a deal was actually made you have to at least wonder if maybe there was a chance it could have been on the table.

In the end if Kadri isn't available because he won't waive his NTC for Colorado then that's fine, but TBH I have a hard time seeing him say no if Mackinnon picked up the phone and said "come play here again and let's try to win a second cup"

[Royle9]

Kadri has far more value than Brock Nelson, I’ll put it that way.
Colorado had familiarity with him and so the desire from their perspective was certainly there.

Kadri didn’t want to go.
Craig didn’t want futures, his goal is to make the playoffs.

Yep, from a rebuilding perspective I can’t say I disagree with the reaction to Ritchie and a first myself, but the talks never even got off the ground from Craig’s end.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Generally id agree with you But 33 year old UFAs don't usually get the return Nelson just did either.

2 hours ago if somebody proposed 1st + Ritchie for Nelson I would have laughed at them for being an Isles homer.

If you would have proposed Ritchie + 1st for Kadri yesterday I would have laughed at that too as a ridiculous proposal.

But now that a deal was actually made you have to at least wonder if maybe there was a chance it could have been on the tables

I'm not saying its a good deal for the Avs, not at all...just saying Kadri has less value IMO. The contract is a negative vs. a UFA.

Also, NMC factor...guy has said multiple times he wants to be in Canada, can you blame him? Would you want to be a Muslim man in the US right now?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Kadri has far more value than Brock Nelson, I’ll put it that way.
Colorado had familiarity with him and so the desire from their perspective was certainly there.

Kadri didn’t want to go.
Craig didn’t want futures, his goal is to make the playoffs.

Yep, from a rebuilding perspective I can’t say I disagree with the reaction to Ritchie and a first myself, but the talks never even got off the ground from Craig’s end.

Well that sums up why the Flames are one of the least successful franchises over the past 35 years then (Even if it's Kadri's 'choice')

[gvitaly]

TD's are fun so the kid in me still hopes to see a more exciting trade than Miromanov for a 5th or Hanley for a 4th.

It almost doesn't matter if we buy or sell. Either we get a bunch of picks and prospects, so the future looks bright, or a younger player like Cozens so it would be fun to figure out where he fits, and what chemistry he could have with our current roster.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Kadri has far more value than Brock Nelson, I’ll put it that way.
Colorado had familiarity with him and so the desire from their perspective was certainly there.

Kadri didn’t want to go.
Craig didn’t want futures, his goal is to make the playoffs.

Yep, from a rebuilding perspective I can’t say I disagree with the reaction to Ritchie and a first myself, but the talks never even got off the ground from Craig’s end.

Thanks Royle. It is what it is, but given the market, pretty disappointing to hear.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Kadri has far more value than Brock Nelson, I’ll put it that way.
Colorado had familiarity with him and so the desire from their perspective was certainly there.

Kadri didn’t want to go.
Craig didn’t want futures, his goal is to make the playoffs.

Yep, from a rebuilding perspective I can’t say I disagree with the reaction to Ritchie and a first myself, but the talks never even got off the ground from Craig’s end.

Well that sucks from multiple angles.

Sucks that Conroy is being really short sighted and not thinking even medium term for this team. Playoffs are a happy accident and shouldn't be the goal at all. He should be listening on every player.

Also sucks that in the end a Nazem Kadri NTC screwed up our asset management for the second time (Brodie + Jankowski for Kadri + Brown)