MF YYC Politics - there, I mega did it

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

If we really want to hurt the Americans we should give them water from Lake Bonavista.

Call it del Boca vista so the Florida Jews like it.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

You sound like the people on my community Facebook page.

Surveillance cameras show a car pulling up, the passenger gets out and attempts to steal a car.

"We didn't have this problem before the c-train."

Or when someone had an entire freezer and the meat within it stolen from their garage.

The LRT is blamed because... clearly it was.... walked back to the train station?

This came up in the Westbrook C-Train station thread years ago. Calgary Police Crime Statistics show crime rate increases were much higher than the city average after a train station opened up. Nevermind the drugs of course.

Originally Posted by chemgear

This made me curious, so some quick numbers just surfing around for 5 minutes.

Criminal incidents in Calgary from 2012 to 2016 (4,790 to 5,561 or +16%). I'm not sure why the chart has decimal incidents but I assume it's just a graphing thing from cbc.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...nada-1.4218953

City of Calgary Police, Community Crime Statistics (I think these are reports by the public as opposed to actual criminal incidents? Not 100% sure):

http://www.calgary.ca/cps/Pages/Stat...l-reports.aspx

Anyhow, for areas that directly surround the mall and C-Train station there:

2012 to 2016 & 2012 to 2017 percentage increases

Rosscarrock: +72% and +78%
Shaganappi: +42% and +68%
Spruce Cliff: +82% and +78%
Killarney/Glengarry (includes areas a bit further out): +76% and +89%

versus

Total Calgary: +27% and +29%

The train station opened at the end of 2012. Correlation versus Causation of course but it appears that (reported) crime in the area has increased at a much faster pace in the surrounding areas for one reason or another since the opening of the station.

EDIT: added KG

Originally Posted by chemgear

It was part of a previous article I linked here but it had a map of overdoses in the city and it's basically the vast majority along the Ctrain stations.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...-use-1.6503503

The Calgary Fire Department tracks overdoses in the city, and a heat map shows the vast majority happen along the train line.




There was also a discussion a bunch of years back about increasing crime along the West Ctrain line on the forums. I remember digging around on the public CPS crime stats and all the neighborhoods with new stations had shown multiple year after year after crime increases above the City average.

Having a Ctrain station nearby meant increased crime even before the recent open drug use that we now see layered over top of it.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by chemgear

This came up in the Westbrook C-Train station thread years ago. Calgary Police Crime Statistics show crime rate increases were much higher than the city average after a train station opened up. Nevermind the drugs of course.

There were several stations along that line that didn’t see such drastic increases, how do you explain that?

As someone who used to live literally a block away from where the station currently is less than 2 years before it was built, I can’t say that the area hadn’t already been going downhill. There are numerous socioeconomic factors such as recessions and the rise of fentanyl that also contributed to the problem.

While a train station may increase crime to a small degree due to increased foot traffic, the same could be said anytime a bar or even a grocery store opens up in a community. The net benefits still outweigh the negatives. I think that your apparent fear of society may be clouding your judgement and causing you to view things a little irrationally, or at the very least is getting in the way of using basic critical thinking to overcome a confirmation bias.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Considering the increase crime that comes with a free access to your neighborhood via the LRT, they probably don't want that at all.

HAHA you are a true snowflake, man. no other way to describe you.

Pearl clutcher, maybe?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cappy

HAHA you are a true snowflake, man. no other way to describe you.

Pearl clutcher, maybe?

Pearl clutcher or, perhaps, “a Helen Lovejoy” might be more fitting than snowflake.

[topfiverecords]

Snowflakes at least spend time outside.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by chemgear

This came up in the Westbrook C-Train station thread years ago. Calgary Police Crime Statistics show crime rate increases were much higher than the city average after a train station opened up. Nevermind the drugs of course.

You're confusing correlation with causation. There isn't more crime/overdose calls in those areas because of the presence of LRT stations; there is more crime/overdose calls and LRT stations because those areas have more people. What a shocking surprise!

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

You're confusing correlation with causation.

Could certainly be, hard to explicitly control for all the variables. The Ad Hominem tacks are amusing rather than addressing the statistics, easier I guess.

And definitely small sample anecdotes but the friends and co-workers who have lived near an LRT station before they were put in, they have definitely not found it a net benefit for them. Small sample certainly. I'm happy to not have to deal with it either way.

As an aside, apparently it's a bit of a meme in Westbrook to have Peace Officer vehicles dumped without their wheels. Supposedly its not a theft thing (maybe) but I'm surprised that's legal to just leave it abandoned like that. Having grown up in the NE, it wasn't something I saw even then lol.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/com...brook_walmart/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/com...brook_station/

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

You're confusing correlation with causation. There isn't more crime/overdose calls in those areas because of the presence of LRT stations; there is more crime/overdose calls and LRT stations because those areas have more people. What a shocking surprise!

I don’t know how you’d prove it but it’s highly likely when you make an area accessible with a “free service” you will disproportionately increase the population of those who don’t have alternative transit.

I say it’s two fold. More police presence around critical infrastructure that document the crime that does occur and more people who commit crimes do to better access.

Also even if the cause of more crime is more people than that is an example of causation. The train attracts for people there for its presence cause crime to increase in the area.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Could certainly be, hard to explicitly control for all the variables. The Ad Hominem tacks are amusing rather than addressing the statistics, easier I guess.

And definitely small sample anecdotes but the friends and co-workers who have lived near an LRT station before they were put in, they have definitely not found it a net benefit for them. Small sample certainly. I'm happy to not have to deal with it either way.

As an aside, apparently it's a bit of a meme in Westbrook to have Peace Officer vehicles dumped without their wheels. Supposedly its not a theft thing (maybe) but I'm surprised that's legal to just leave it abandoned like that. Having grown up in the NE, it wasn't something I saw even then lol.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/com...brook_walmart/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/com...brook_station/

It's not like Westbrook was a wealthy haven prior to the C-train station. that area has always been a bit of an eyesore. Having a giant mall and parking lot there certainly doesnt help.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Cappy

It's not like Westbrook was a wealthy haven prior to the C-train station. that area has always been a bit of an eyesore. Having a giant mall and parking lot there certainly doesnt help.

Ernest Manning school was a s-hole when it was open.

[Bill Bumface]

It's not like LRT stations create "new" crime, so the key is opposite of what chemgear is thinking - LRT stations EVERYWHERE.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think the question with Farkas is will he release his donor list prior to the election like Nenshi used to or hide it. It will be very easy to see if his list lines up with the typical Conservative PACs or the more liberal PACs or more independent people.

If he is backed by conservative PACs I’m out.

You can keep track of his donors on a regular basis:
https://www.jeromy.ca/news-1/donorslist

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

You can keep track of his donors on a regular basis:
https://www.jeromy.ca/news-1/donorslist

And just before we get into the same idiotic bickering that there was about this on /r/Calgary:

• Yes, releasing a donor list is mandatory for all candidates. Donor lists are required to be submitted after the year for which they are being reported; think income taxes. You do your 2024 submission in early 2025. Same idea.
• Yes, what Farkas is doing is still unique amongst candidates past and present, as he is making his list public and regularly adding new donors to the list as they are collected. This is not mandatory. One interesting point here will be whether or not the list on the website matches the official 2025 list submitted in 2026.
• Yes, Gondek released her 2021 donor list earlier than Farkas did (this is after her campaign manager said they didn't "have any intention" of doing so), which was obviously done for political gain.
• Yes, the calling out of both Gondek and the party-backed candidates to follow suit is itself a very obvious political tactic to get a one-up on his opponents; that's what you do in running a political campaign. Either find an edge over your competition, or enjoy losing.

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

• Yes, what Farkas is doing is still unique amongst candidates past and present, as he is making his list public and regularly adding new donors to the list as they are collected. This is not mandatory. One interesting point here will be whether or not the list on the website matches the official 2025 list submitted in 2026.

Didn't Nenshi do that?


That website - ouch. Hopefully he didn't spend much of his donations on website design.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Ashartus

Didn't Nenshi do that?

Did he? I don't remember if he did or not... if so, maybe it's where he got the idea from, which wouldn't be the worst thing.

[Bigtime]

Today council will finalize what our tax increase is going to look like.

[Fuzz]

DJ Kelly, who lost to the pedophile in ward 4 by less than 100 votes(and vote splitting) is back in. Seems like a good guy.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Today council will finalize what our tax increase is going to look like.

Important to remember that the bulk of the tax increase you see on your bill this year is from provincial increases due to property values rising in Calgary faster than the rest of Alberta.

Think of it as an equalization payment to rural Alberta.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

DJ Kelly, who lost to the pedophile in ward 4 by less than 100 votes(and vote splitting) is back in. Seems like a good guy.

That guy can really drop a beat.