2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If the Flames are looking for an LHD with term in the right age group, Samuelsson (age 24) from BUF fits the bill. Something around Coleman would work for both teams. But Coleman’s NTC would probably nix it.

I still think there could be something with Samuellsson and Cozens from the Sabres.

Flames would need to send at least some salary back (Sharangovich?) but I think there could be something there.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure it's fair to judge this season as a normal on / off pattern with a high angle sprain to start the season.

That's a bitch to recover from.

He’s also come a ling way in his 200 foot game. That’s something the coaches helped add to his toolkit.

So he is coachable, tries to play a complete game, and likes being here.

But you have to give to get, and I’d rather him than some of our drafted kids.

[stemit14]

I doubt Sharangovich holds much value. If he was on pace for a repeat of last season, sure. But he would likely be just a salary dump if traded right now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Always interesting seeing the age ranges changing.

In the offseason Conroy talked about 18-23 year olds and that now has changed to 25 and now 26.

Probably gives you a good idea how hard it is to get players in that 18-23 age range that can make an impact unless you are drafting them.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

He’s also come a ling way in his 200 foot game. That’s something the coaches helped add to his toolkit.

So he is coachable, tries to play a complete game, and likes being here.

But you have to give to get, and I’d rather him than some of our drafted kids.

One thing with Sharangovich is that IMO he's actually had his best results on the Flames when he played center.

He seems to be a guy that needs puck touches to be engaged and get confidence and he can just kind of become invisible on the wing.

Last year after the Lindholm trade he played center with Kuzmenko and Huberdeau a lot of the time and he had good results.

And then this year his best production was that little stretch when they moved him to center after Zary was injured but before they acquired Frost. (He had some chemistry with Zary and Pelletier before Zary got hurt too).

The organization doesn't seem to see him long term as a center but it's where he's been most effective offensively.

It's also interesting that last year he was also good on the PK with Coleman, but they haven't really played him much on the PK this year. Which actually makes me wonder if he's playing a bit injured too, because with our poor PK this year there is no reason they shouldn't have least tried it again.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Always interesting seeing the age ranges changing.

In the offseason Conroy talked about 18-23 year olds and that now has changed to 25 and now 26.

Probably gives you a good idea how hard it is to get players in that 18-23 age range that can make an impact unless you are drafting them.

Not only this, but guys that are 18-23 very rarely make an immediate impact on team success long term. The ones that do are usually not going to be traded.
Those younger ages were when Craig was positioning for a longer term retool/build whatever you want to call it.
The emergence of Wolf and the trade for Frost and Farabee coupled with the team's inability to be "bad" means that Craig has had to shift his mentality and look to make this team younger but more competitive.

This just further reinforces that we're not going to be trading away all the veterans for young prospects and picks. The complete teardown whether you agree with it or not, is not happening.
We started the re-tool and we're going to see that play out.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Not only this, but guys that are 18-23 very rarely make an immediate impact on team success long term. Those younger ages were when Craig was positioning for a longer term retool/build whatever you want to call it.
The emergence of Wolf and the trade for Frost and Farabee coupled with the team's inability to be "bad" means that Craig has had to shift his mentality and look to make this team younger but more competitive.

This just further reinforces that we're not going to be trading away all the veterans for young prospects and picks. The complete teardown whether you agree with it or not, is not happening.
We started the re-tool and we're going to see that play out.

I was chatting with another CPer and he pointed out that that 18-23 age range are the player that Conroy scouted. Before becoming GM he was a super scout. That’s one of his super powers.

He probably emphasizes guys he watched with his own eyes.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I could see Conroy sniffing around a guy like Barzal. The Islanders are kind of in no mans land, could use an injection of picks, and are due for a shift in direction.

Underwhelming year, injury issues, etc.. Doubtful, but it would fit the bill of a surprising move.

That would be an offseason move imo, he might be out for the rest of the season.

[SuperMatt18]

Let's go through the list of potentially available names again that fit in this 23-26 age range.

Blues: Kyrou (26), Thomas (25)
Sabres: Cozens (24) , Peterka (23), Samuelsson (24), Bryam (23) (Still think Buffalo feels like the most logical fit - Cozens and a LD being the targets)
Columbus: Sillinger (21)
Anaheim: Zegras (23), McTavish (22)
San Jose: Dellandrea (24) , Ferraro (26)
Islanders: Dobson (25)
Utah: Maccelli (24), Hayton (24)
Montreal: Dach (24), Newhook (24), Xhekaj (24)
Seattle: Wright (21)
Boston: Geekie (26) , Lohrei (24)
Colorado: Mittelstadt (26)
New Jersey: Mercer (23), Nemec (21)
Vancouver: Pettersson (26)
New York: Lafreniere (23) , Miller (25) , Schneider (23)
Ottawa: Pinto (24), Greig (22),

Sec / Royle9...blink twice if the person the Flames are looking to acquire is on this list...

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Not only this, but guys that are 18-23 very rarely make an immediate impact on team success long term. The ones that do are usually not going to be traded.
Those younger ages were when Craig was positioning for a longer term retool/build whatever you want to call it.
The emergence of Wolf and the trade for Frost and Farabee coupled with the team's inability to be "bad" means that Craig has had to shift his mentality and look to make this team younger but more competitive.

This just further reinforces that we're not going to be trading away all the veterans for young prospects and picks. The complete teardown whether you agree with it or not, is not happening.
We started the re-tool and we're going to see that play out.

Teams' inability to be bad is because of Wolf.

It's clear they have pivoted, it's disappointing to hear on many levels especially Conroy being part of a team that was trying to ride a goalie with a mediocre roster in front of him.

It is what it is, thanks for sharing.

[Enoch Root]

We don't suck, because we have a young player who is an emerging star.

What a bummer.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

We don't suck, because we have a young player who is an emerging star.

What a bummer.

yeah because that is what I said.

Whqt is your problem?

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Sec / Royle9...blink twice if the person the Flames are looking to acquire is on this list...

[DSIM420]

I Still believe that Conroy is looking at picking up McTavish and Ferraro. I can see them picking up a 4th line Right shot Center as well so we have a right shot center on the roster.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Teams' inability to be bad is because of Wolf.

It's clear they have pivoted, it's disappointing to hear on many levels especially Conroy being part of a team that was trying to ride a goalie with a mediocre roster in front of him.

It is what it is, thanks for sharing.

I think Wolf is worth a few spots in the standings for sure.

But a team with middling metrics five on five (15th to 20th) may not have been bad enough to be bottom ten with the level of coaching and work ethic this team has put on the ice.

I'd say 20th place team becomes 16th best team with better than expected goaltending.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think Wolf is worth a few spots in the standings for sure.

But a team with middling metrics five on five (15th to 20th) may not have been bad enough to be bottom ten with the level of coaching and work ethic this team has put on the ice.

I'd say 20th place team becomes 16th best team with better than expected goaltending.

Are they battling for 8th with Vladar in net?

Middling goaltending sunk the team in 22/23.

This just brings flashbacks to the Iggy/Kipper era when it was just try to get in, and a constant change in the roster every year. The difference is that Conroy values the young players and draft, and Sutter couldn't care less about that.

Chasing that #1 center every year.

[dino7c]

Wolfs numbers are very good for a rookie but he isnt even top 5. (Top 10?) People (well a couple) are acting like the Flames are the Hawks with Hasek in net.

They just beat the caps on the road with Vladar

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Teams' inability to be bad is because of Wolf.

It's clear they have pivoted, it's disappointing to hear on many levels especially Conroy being part of a team that was trying to ride a goalie with a mediocre roster in front of him.

It is what it is, thanks for sharing.

This is the tough part though even if the only reason they aren't bad is because of Wolf...what do you do?

With Wolf in net you likely aren't picking top 5 unless he has a bad year or he gets hurt. So as long as he's healthy you probably aren't bottoming out, so you have to alter the approach a bit.

So now you still have to try to build through the draft...but now you're only picking in the 8-15 range every year which isnt' impossible, but generally guys picked in that range take longer to be impactful than the early picks.

Doesn't mean the Flames will abandon the draft philosophy all together (Conroy loves the draft, and never seems happier than when talking about drafting and scouting), just means they have to be a bit more strategic with how they use the picks (ie. think we see them make some riskier picks targeting elite skill sets).

Because the other issue is Wolf is young for a goalie but he does turn 24 in 2 months...so you do also want to take advantage of the next 6-7 years of his career which is likely his prime. Goalie age curve tends to decline rapidly at 31, and as a smaller goalie that relies on Athleticism I could see that being true for Wolf too.

It does kind of suck...but with Wolf being potentially a top 10 goalie almost immediately changing the target age from 18-23 to 23-26 does make some sense. And I think part of it also just Conroy realizing that no GMs are trading 18-23 year olds that are showing promise and if they are you're likely actually overpaying.

So the target changes to 23-26 year olds that had promise but maybe are cheaper to acquire - and you use that to hopefully hit on one of them.

Frost and Farabee appear to be the first swing. Cozens or Zegras would be other guys like that I think (once had elite 1st line potential, but haven't realized it).

In the end as long as they aren't making short term decisions (ie. rentals, players over 25), or going into a pick deficit then it's not a huge departure from what they were planning to do already. Just probably have to take a little more risk to try to find that offensive talent because with Wolf in net it's going to be hard to get top 5 picks.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Are they battling for 8th with Vladar in net?

Middling goaltending sunk the team in 22/23.

This just brings flashbacks to the Iggy/Kipper era when it was just try to get in, and a constant change in the roster every year. The difference is that Conroy values the young players and draft, and Sutter couldn't care less about that.

Chasing that #1 center every year.

Not sure what you're arguing here.

Worse goaltending would make them worse? Of course it would.

But it's not all Wolf when you have a team that has middle of the league metrics in most categories.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

So now you still have to try to build through the draft...but now you're only picking in the 8-15 range every year which isnt' impossible, but generally guys picked in that range take longer to be impactful than the early picks.

I'm not as convinced they are in a consistent range in the league.

This is a tough way to play hockey.

Coaches get tuned out.

Players get older.

Dressing rooms change.

The Flames could easily have a slide next year that a goalie can't save.