2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Badgers Nose]

... I don't think Conroy is stuck on the player, rather he smells a deal and is all over it.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am still on the side of 'rebuild', and I have also often criticized Treliving for spending low picks on depth pieces.

However, I don't think acquiring Samuelsson goes against the grain of either point above. Samuelsson is still young with a decent amount of term left, and this is a way of weaponizing cap space, as the assumption would be that Calgary would be paying a negligible amount here relative to his value simply to absorb his higher cap hit.



It isn't a player that will dramatically affect Calgary's fortunes. He will probably take a bit of work with Huska and the rest of the coaching staff to really get back on the rails, but he could be just an effective as a defencemen as Bahl. Stabilizing defensive pairings goes a long way to winning. I have faith that Calgary with Huska in charge (as it was with Sutter in charge) is a great situation for young defencemen to figure things out. It wouldn't surprise me to see Samuelsson suddenly improve and increase his value as soon as next season. You can always flip defencemen much more easily than you can wingers it seems.



With that being said, I am also happy with Solovyov being given a look here, and see if he can't find some traction. I also love how hard Solovyov can play the game - he can be very abrasive to play against and players need to look out for him when he is on the ice - he had that huge hit in preseason, for instance.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Sign or trade I think

Just makes Petterssons value even lower. Carolina would rather trade its best trade chips for a pending UFA and flip him than trade for a player signed for 7 years.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I am still on the side of 'rebuild', and I have also often criticized Treliving for spending low picks on depth pieces.

However, I don't think acquiring Samuelsson goes against the grain of either point above. Samuelsson is still young with a decent amount of term left, and this is a way of weaponizing cap space, as the assumption would be that Calgary would be paying a negligible amount here relative to his value simply to absorb his higher cap hit.



It isn't a player that will dramatically affect Calgary's fortunes. He will probably take a bit of work with Huska and the rest of the coaching staff to really get back on the rails, but he could be just an effective as a defencemen as Bahl. Stabilizing defensive pairings goes a long way to winning. I have faith that Calgary with Huska in charge (as it was with Sutter in charge) is a great situation for young defencemen to figure things out. It wouldn't surprise me to see Samuelsson suddenly improve and increase his value as soon as next season. You can always flip defencemen much more easily than you can wingers it seems.



With that being said, I am also happy with Solovyov being given a look here, and see if he can't find some traction. I also love how hard Solovyov can play the game - he can be very abrasive to play against and players need to look out for him when he is on the ice - he had that huge hit in preseason, for instance.

If you are suggesting Samuelsson as a buy low cap dump, then sure why not? He makes the team better or forces our kids to reach a higher level to pass him in the lineup.

But spending significant assets on Samuelsson and Krebs as was suggested earlier seems pointless.

Cozens and Samuelsson? We have the cap space to take them on, one is not working out in BUF with many years at seven million and the other seems to struggle to stay healthy at four million. I'm not sure why we would ever entertain sending BUF our first and highly rated prospect in a package for these guys. Based on what they are right now, regardless of where they were drafted, that first could get you a similar player this summer.

Conroy is right to keep grinding on this. If someone else overpays, fine. Stick to the plan.

[iloveicedhockey]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Craig is definitely cooking.

Glad I didn't see this at the start of my day, or I'd have got nothing done today!

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Royle9

If Calgary is trading with Buffalo its not Krebs, they're not very keen on him.
Its Cozens or bust with Buffalo.
But I expect to see more moves here, there's a real interest in Cozens but its the return from Calgary which is the curveball.
Doors not closed for sure, Adams and Conroy have been in talks for a while now.

Very interesting.

As much as the Flames "do not have the assets" for a Cozens trade... I am not sure which other team fits what the Sabres want (young C with top line potential) and would want to trade that player for Cozens.

Cozens depressed production combined with a big cap hit definitely hurts the Sabres position in trying to get a trade partner. The other team would need to be willing to gamble that Cozens turns into an Eichel instead of a Mittlestadt and the question would be 'why are they not gambling on their own player to do the same thing for much less cost?'.

Trading with the Flames works because the Flames desperately want that position and are willing to gamble the $7M cap hit on Cozens turning things around.

I am not sure why the Sabres are hellbent on getting a young C back on the trade. The Sabres themselves have one of the better collection of C prospects out there. Helenius, Kulich, and Ostlund are all first round picks. Assuming they keep Thompson, Kulich, McLeod, and Krebs, they could slot in Ostlund or Helenius into Cozens spot and still have a couple of extra Cs lying around.

It makes more sense for them to try to acquire a RD and/or scoring winger from a Cozens trade instead of building a logjam of Cs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The Flames have the assets to pull off any trade they like. We have 4 1st round picks in the next 2 drafts we have one of the deepest blue line prospect pools and we have roster players to add to many a impactful trade. I don’t see any impact players on the market for us to entertain moving those pieces.

Also we need to think long term here. We don’t have cap space to burn. Kuzmenko contact is now Farabee for 3 plus years. We need to extend The Snowman, Zary, Coronato and Wolf. The 3 forwards are not coming in under 7 on long term deals and Wolf is going to get a big deal. We have Bahl to sign. If they actually want to sign Andersson that’s another 8 million gone. You have to plan for guys like Parekh popping and having to pay him in a few years. You can’t put the team in a cap squeeze like we did in 2019 because you decided to replace Troy Brouwer with James Neal and replace him with Lucic.

Weaponizing cap space to me is for a season or 2 not 5 years. Unless Buffalo wants to send us top prospects or 1st rounds picks with their garbage we should sit still.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Very interesting.

As much as the Flames "do not have the assets" for a Cozens trade... I am not sure which other team fits what the Sabres want (young C with top line potential) and would want to trade that player for Cozens.

Cozens depressed production combined with a big cap hit definitely hurts the Sabres position in trying to get a trade partner. The other team would need to be willing to gamble that Cozens turns into an Eichel instead of a Mittlestadt and the question would be 'why are they not gambling on their own player to do the same thing for much less cost?'.

Trading with the Flames works because the Flames desperately want that position and are willing to gamble the $7M cap hit on Cozens turning things around.

I am not sure why the Sabres are hellbent on getting a young C back on the trade. The Sabres themselves have one of the better collection of C prospects out there. Helenius, Kulich, and Ostlund are all first round picks. Assuming they keep Thompson, Kulich, McLeod, and Krebs, they could slot in Ostlund or Helenius into Cozens spot and still have a couple of extra Cs lying around.

It makes more sense for them to try to acquire a RD and/or scoring winger from a Cozens trade instead of building a logjam of Cs.

Eichel was Eichel when he was traded he was traded because of a health dispute not because he sucked.

[transplant99]

I still dont think there is a chance in hell Buffalo moves Cozens at this point without a huge and obvious upgrade at C.

Not with the Eichel debacle still fresh in their minds.

I mean the guy is only in year 2 of his long term commitment to them and it would not play well with players to dump him for anything but a slam dunk.

Then again Adams may well be on the hot seat and possibly the Pegulas allowing him free reign to make things better.....he may do something crazy.

Such a sad state of affairs for that franchise.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Mews was a savvy pick who is exciting and tracking well, but let's not over-state his value. He does not get you in the game for top talent.

The question is whether Cozens is top talent. For me I have an incredibly low opinion of him. I have heard him described as a power forward type but he never uses his frame in a power forward way. He is not a scorer, he looks like if he bounced back he tops out as a 60 point guy. He ain’t good defensively. I am not sure what he adds that you would have to blow your brains out to get him. Any of the combos I have seen (Yegor, a 1st, Mews for example) seem like large overpayments.

Yegor is 2 and a half years older and looks like he is as good or better offensively and is objectively better defensively. And theoretically the 1.7 million in cap space has a value to be accounted for. And the Flames have to add substantially to that package? Cozens strikes me as an all the tools but no toolbox type of player.

[Svartsengi]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The question is whether Cozens is top talent. For me I have an incredibly low opinion of him. I have heard him described as a power forward type but he never uses his frame in a power forward way. He is not a scorer, he looks like if he bounced back he tops out as a 60 point guy. He ain’t good defensively. I am not sure what he adds that you would have to blow your brains out to get him. Any of the combos I have seen (Yegor, a 1st, Mews for example) seem like large overpayments.

Yegor is 2 and a half years older and looks like he is as good or better offensively and is objectively better defensively. And theoretically the 1.7 million in cap space has a value to be accounted for. And the Flames have to add substantially to that package? Cozens strikes me as an all the tools but no toolbox type of player.

Rob Niedermayer is exactly who I was thinking of as a comparison. Buyer beware on Cozens.

[Demaeon]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I bet it's somebody unexpected, like way out of left-field.

Juan Soto.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Svartsengi

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Rob Niedermayer is exactly who I was thinking of as a comparison. Buyer beware on Cozens.

That's a really clever comparison.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Svartsengi

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Rob Niedermayer is exactly who I was thinking of as a comparison. Buyer beware on Cozens.

Ya Niedermayer had a really big season in his third year and then never ever reached such lofty heights again. Florida waited too long to trade him and did not get much back for him.

Cozens had a really big third season and then has dropped of substantially for the next two seasons.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s not just the points but all the underlying stats he sucks at that as well. People just look at his size and come to the conclusion he’s some big power forward ready to breakout. Hes a soft invisible passenger that does nothing well. Nothing suggests he’s about to pop.

We have enough middle 6 players as it is.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It’s not just the points but all the underlying stats he sucks at that as well. People just look at his size and come to the conclusion he’s some big power forward ready to breakout. Hes a soft invisible passenger that does nothing well. Nothing suggests he’s about to pop.

We have enough middle 6 players as it is.

Some of Cozens’s bad underlyings come from playing on a trainwreck of a team. But I agree, he's definitely not a power forward.

I could see the sense of trading one of the team's surplus of middle-6 wingers (with a sweetener) for an equivalent centre, to better balance the roster positionally (and help prepare for Backlund's eventual retirement). But at $7.1 million a year and not bringing it defensively, Cozens isn't a guy I'd pay much for.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It’s not just the points but all the underlying stats he sucks at that as well. People just look at his size and come to the conclusion he’s some big power forward ready to breakout. Hes a soft invisible passenger that does nothing well. Nothing suggests he’s about to pop.

We have enough middle 6 players as it is.

I dont think any of us that are interested in him are expecting a power forward we are looking at locking in a young center long term. He just turned 24 statistically between 24 and 28 29 are a players most productive years, so just entering prime.

He has been on a garbage team for a garbage organization his whole career but it shouldnt affect his performance?

If with a better environment and coaching and support no reason he couldnt be good middle six center. Something by next year with Backs gone we have to address regardless. We saw what losing zary did to our center depth its non existent. With the cap going up and a reasonable deal to be had i think its well wirth the risk. We dont need a middle six center? Ya absolutely we do.

[saillias]

Just based on how insiders seem to describe their thinking, Flames mgmt seems to want to find the next Daymond Langkow or Craig Conroy. A 1b kind of center. Bargain bin shop for guys who are plateauing a bit and will pop here.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Some of Cozens’s bad underlyings come from playing on a trainwreck of a team. But I agree, he's definitely not a power forward.

I could see the sense of trading one of the team's surplus of middle-6 wingers (with a sweetener) for an equivalent centre, to better balance the roster positionally (and help prepare for Backlund's eventual retirement). But at $7.1 million a year and not bringing it defensively, Cozens isn't a guy I'd pay much for.

He could be a reason why Buffalo is a train wreck as well. The job of a center is to drive play and make his wingers better. It’s not like he plays with bums.

Backlund might not put up the numbers but he plays against top players and pushes the play the other way and his wingers typically strive with him. Tkachuk isn’t the player he is today if he doesn’t start with Backlund.

Cozens literally doesn’t do anything well. It’s really bizarre why Conory is so obsessed with him and even more concerning is we are offering a futures based deal.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Fan69

I dont think any of us that are interested in him are expecting a power forward we are looking at locking in a young center long term. He just turned 24 statistically between 24 and 28 29 are a players most productive years, so just entering prime.

He has been on a garbage team for a garbage organization his whole career but it shouldnt affect his performance?

If with a better environment and coaching and support no reason he couldnt be good middle six center. Something by next year with Backs gone we have to address regardless. We saw what losing zary did to our center depth its non existent. With the cap going up and a reasonable deal to be had i think its well wirth the risk. We dont need a middle six center? Ya absolutely we do.

Blaming it all on Buffalo is a cheap cop out. Why didn’t Eichel suck ? Maybe he is reason why Buffalo sucks because he isn’t a good player.

Isn’t this team supposed to be rebuilding ? I don’t recall Tampa, Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh making these type of dumb trades before even showing signs of being a contender.

Like Jay Random said when someone usually shows they aren’t a #1 center it’s because they aren’t a #1 center.