Parekh named OHL defenseman of the month.....again.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Who was the last impactful player that the QMJHL produced? Serious question.

I did some searching:

- Ehlers
- PLD
- Hischier
- Mackinnon

I mean not a long list at all. I wouldn't even really bother drafting from that league.

Two of them were #1 picks.
One is a #3 overall pick
One is a #9 overall pick.

Three of them are from Halifax Mooseheads.

From just that stereotype- I would think Morin and Gridin will not amount to anything significant.

Because they happen to play there?

Gridin was drafted out of the USHL, a league that he led in scoring in his draft year.

You're not well educated on Flames matters for a self proclaimed Flames fan.

Mosey on, oiler guy.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Because they happen to play there?

Gridin was drafted out of the USHL, a league that he led in scoring in his draft year.

You're not well educated on Flames matters for a self proclaimed Flames fan.

Mosey on, oiler guy.

You're hilarious. I made it a point to say "stereotype".

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Who was the last impactful player that the QMJHL produced? Serious question.

I did some searching:

- Ehlers
- PLD
- Hischier
- Mackinnon

I mean not a long list at all. I wouldn't even really bother drafting from that league.

Two of them were #1 picks.
One is a #3 overall pick
One is a #9 overall pick.

Three of them are from Halifax Mooseheads.

From just that stereotype- I would think Morin and Gridin will not amount to anything significant.

Yes, let's just eliminate a whole league.

Not many impact players from Slovakia, so let's scratch them off the scouting list too. We can really save some money here!

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't like the league, therefore the players all suck. Quality analysis.

Is the Q the weakest of the 3 CHL leagues? Of course. Does that mean all the players suck, and scouts can't rationally evaluate the players? Only in the land of boneheads.

He said half the teams are terrible so the quality of competition needs to be taken into account for the games the players aren't playing the top half.

That's literally all he said. He also praised Gridin for doing the right things defensively which is a big indicator of potential at the next level in his eyes.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, let's just eliminate a whole league.

Not many impact players from Slovakia, so let's scratch them off the scouting list too. We can really save some money here!

First off - I need to point out again that I said "stereotype".

Second- If you're going to take an opposing view, you should dispute the facts atleast.

Third- There should be proportionately less scouts covering Slovakia than the OHL. That's how that works.

The facts are literally supporting the stereotype.

Outside of the top 10 in the NHL, there have hardly been any impactful players that have been drafted into the NHL in the last 15 years from the QMJHL.

If this is not a fact then disprove it.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Because he'd also have significantly less talent around him.

He wouldn't be hopping over the boards with the likes of Michael Misa, Igor Chernyshov, and Kristian Epperson.

I don’t think this is true at all, as it ignores everything we know about quality of competition.

Players almost exclusively produce more in lower QoC environments and less in higher one. Any difference made by lower quality teammates would be made up for an then some by lower quality competition.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

First off - I need to point out again that I said "stereotype".

Second- If you're going to take an opposing view, you should dispute the facts atleast.

Third- There should be proportionately less scouts covering Slovakia than the OHL. That's how that works.

The facts are literally supporting the stereotype.

Outside of the top 10 in the NHL, there have hardly been any impactful players that have been drafted into the NHL in the last 15 years from the QMJHL.

If this is not a fact then disprove it.

What a dumb thing to argue... according to this, there were 4.7 players per QMJHL team (85 players from 18 teams), 5.5 players per WHL team (121 players from 22 teams) and 9.95 players per OHL team (199 players from 20 teams) who were on opening night rosters to start the 2022/23 season.

Those 405 players made up nearly 60% of opening night rosters.

By your sound logic, NHL scouts should ignore the WHL too since it produces roughly half as many NHLers per team as the OHL and just slightly more than the QMJHL... and while you're at it, might as well just ignore every other league in the entire world since the OHL produces so many more players per team.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Didn't Sidney Crosby come out of the Q? Were his stats inflated or was he just the real deal?

I'm being a little tongue in cheek while trying to make a point. Leagues matter on the whole as you try to project players, but it's not a hard and fast rule. What you look for is how they play that leads to their success.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Didn't Sidney Crosby come out of the Q? Were his stats inflated or was he just the real deal?

I'm being a little tongue in cheek while trying to make a point. Leagues matter on the whole as you try to project players, but it's not a hard and fast rule. What you look for is how they play that leads to their success.

Theres a couple other guys ......some dude name of Mario and then Lafleur as well.


Some other less known guys like Bossy, Brodeur, Bourque, Lafontaine, Roy. Perrault, Dionne, Plante, etc etc

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

What a dumb thing to argue... according to this, there were 4.7 players per QMJHL team (85 players from 18 teams), 5.5 players per WHL team (121 players from 22 teams) and 9.95 players per OHL team (199 players from 20 teams) who were on opening night rosters to start the 2022/23 season.

Those 405 players made up nearly 60% of opening night rosters.

By your sound logic, NHL scouts should ignore the WHL too since it produces roughly half as many NHLers per team as the OHL and just slightly more than the QMJHL... and while you're at it, might as well just ignore every other league in the entire world since the OHL produces so many more players per team.

He's not talking about opening night rosters.

He's saying the QMJHL lacks star players and hasn't had many players taken in the first round.
In recent years, this is overwhelmingly true.

But even if we argue your specific point, here are the some provinces by NHLers per capita (players with at least one game played this season, per 100,000 people):

1. Saskatchewan: 1.882
2. Manitoba: 1.838
3. Ontario: 1.16
4. Alberta: 1.098
5. British Columbia: 0.722
6. Quebec: 0.658

The prairie provinces produce about 2-3 times more NHLers per capita than does Quebec. Even several US states are above Quebec.

And looking at team Canada's roster, Calgary alone has way more than the entire province of Quebec.
The NHLe for the WHL is quite a bit higher than that of the QMJHL. The WHL and OHL are closer to the USHL than any of them are to the QMJHL.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Theres a couple other guys ......some dude name of Mario and then Lafleur as well.


Some other less known guys like Bossy, Brodeur, Bourque, Lafontaine, Roy. Perrault, Dionne, Plante, etc etc

Crosby was a stretch, but I’m struggling to figure out how bringing up retired and even dead hockey players has anything to do with recent impact players coming out of the Q.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Crosby was a stretch, but I’m struggling to figure out how bringing up retired and even dead hockey players has anything to do with recent impact players coming out of the Q.

When you're 83 "recent" can mean anything really

[Groot]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

He's not talking about opening night rosters.

He's saying the QMJHL lacks star players and hasn't had many players taken in the first round.
In recent years, this is overwhelmingly true.

No, he said this...

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

I wouldn't even really bother drafting from that league.

That dumb statement is what was being commented on. So yes, it extends well beyond star players and total players from the league is much more relevant.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

He's not talking about opening night rosters.

He's saying the QMJHL lacks star players and hasn't had many players taken in the first round.
In recent years, this is overwhelmingly true.

But even if we argue your specific point, here are the some provinces by NHLers per capita (players with at least one game played this season, per 100,000 people):

1. Saskatchewan: 1.882
2. Manitoba: 1.838
3. Ontario: 1.16
4. Alberta: 1.098
5. British Columbia: 0.722
6. Quebec: 0.658

The prairie provinces produce about 2-3 times more NHLers per capita than does Quebec. Even several US states are above Quebec.

And looking at team Canada's roster, Calgary alone has way more than the entire province of Quebec.
The NHLe for the WHL is quite a bit higher than that of the QMJHL. The WHL and OHL are closer to the USHL than any of them are to the QMJHL.

To be fair, there's nothing else to do in Saskatchewan and Manitoba...

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by zuluking

To be fair, there's nothing else to do in Saskatchewan and Manitoba...

lol, never been to rural quebec?

Edit: actually scratch the rural, ever been anywhere in quebec outside of Montreal? lol

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t think this is true at all, as it ignores everything we know about quality of competition.

Players almost exclusively produce more in lower QoC environments and less in higher one. Any difference made by lower quality teammates would be made up for an then some by lower quality competition.

I can't say I agree. We are not talking about vastly different leagues or age groups here (like the jump from the ECHL --> AHL ---> NHL for example)

Goals are easier to come by in the OHL for a reason and that's because there is more top end talent (823 more goals scored in the OHL vs QMJHL to date)

OHL - 3.66 goals per game
QMJHL - 3.34 goals per game

To expect that Parekh would put up greater offensive totals in a lower scoring league with less talent around him seems farfetched to me.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Crosby was a stretch, but I’m struggling to figure out how bringing up retired and even dead hockey players has anything to do with recent impact players coming out of the Q.

I was responding to this

I wouldn't even really bother drafting from that league.

That OK with you?

My god you sure seem to get off on being a condescending prick. You like to belittle and mean to people as often as you can. What a weird way to go through life.

Grow up.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BigThief

When you're 83 "recent" can mean anything really

Oh...and now an ageism "joke" that is at a 4 year old level of humor!

How is this always allowed?

Thanked by who?

Yup....makes sense.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Who was the last impactful player that the QMJHL produced? Serious question.

I mean not a long list at all. I wouldn't even really bother drafting from that league.

Actually - I said this.

Stop taking a single sentence out of context.

The point of the NHL Draft is to obtain as many Star Players as possible.

As I pointed out, outside of the top 10, the Q has not really produced many (any?) star players. Most of them were drafted top 3 with a couple in the rest of the top 10.

Crosby- again drafted #1 overall but I was really referring to 2011 onwards - when Mackinnon was drafted #1 overall.

If you looked at this trend/data- and you had to allocate resources - wouldn't you make an educated decision to allocate proportionately less resources to cover the Q? That's what I would do and I would also have players play in the OHL instead as well or another better development league.

It's an opinion supported by the facts. I don't see how it's a wild take.

If you draft a player out of the QMJHL out of the top 10 of the 1st round, data from the last 13 years - indicates that the player WILL NOT be a Star Player.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Oh...and now an ageism "joke" that is at a 4 year old level of humor!

How is this always allowed?

Thanked by who?

Yup....makes sense.

It's simple a measure of time, friend.