Of course. But the original commentary was about only the CPC being political oppurtunists.
Which was a naive comment.
Well, no. You created the idea of the comment being 'only the CPC are political opportunists' in your head because somebody pointed out how Poilievre got himself into the corner he is in, and then got upset and went straight for the Whataboutism regarding the Liberals. They didn't mention the Liberals because it wasn't really relevant. The Liberals didn't paint themselves into a corner where they struggle to separate themselves from MAGA.
Opportunism often comes down to luck. Had Trudeau waited to resign until after the ####storm, he might have interpreted this shift in support as a reason to stick around. The Liberals are lucky he announced his intention to resign when he did. The Conservatives can't say much, because they wanted him to resign. It was basically their idea. That's bad luck. So much in politics is about timing.
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The people I know who really like PP, also like Trump.
He can't distance himself from Trump when the supporters are the same people.
I have honestly never met a vocal PP supportor who wasn't also warm to Trump.
There's the reluctant "could vote PP" people who just really wanted a change from Trudeau; I'm one of these.
But considering what's at stake now; that's a very hard position to take.
The people I know who really like PP, also like Trump.
He can't distance himself from Trump when the supporters are the same people.
I have honestly never met a vocal PP supportor who wasn't also warm to Trump.
There's the reluctant "could vote PP" people who just really wanted a change from Trudeau; I'm one of these.
But considering what's at stake now; that's a very hard position to take.
The problem for the conservatives and to an extent the country is that PP has never been popular, it’s just that he isn’t Trudeau. The reason I think it’s a problem for the country because honestly we could use a change of party to someone else, but not crazy right wing beholden people. Western alienation is gonna go through the roof here if the liberal rise from the ashes and PP is giving them every opportunity to do so. It’s time for him to become a national leader, doubt he does what he needs to.
The problem for the conservatives and to an extent the country is that PP has never been popular, it’s just that he isn’t Trudeau. The reason I think it’s a problem for the country because honestly we could use a change of party to someone else, but not crazy right wing beholden people. Western alienation is gonna go through the roof here if the liberal rise from the ashes and PP is giving them every opportunity to do so. It’s time for him to become a national leader, doubt he does what he needs to.
The problem is the party apparatus is too controlled by the far right elements of the party. We saw it with Kenny in Alberta and Otoole federally that making any overtures to science and putting in a C+ effort into vaccines and restrictions was enough to turf them.
So even if PP wanted to moderate he would be knifed in the back if he did.
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The people I know who really like PP, also like Trump.
He can't distance himself from Trump when the supporters are the same people.
I have honestly never met a vocal PP supportor who wasn't also warm to Trump.
There's the reluctant "could vote PP" people who just really wanted a change from Trudeau; I'm one of these.
But considering what's at stake now; that's a very hard position to take.
Generally, yeah. But it's not always the case. I was also in that last group.
I was reservedly pro-PP and anti-Trump. The last two months have put me closer to being against both though. PP hasn't impressed me in months. Moving his message to the arctic and still droning on about the carbon tax feels irrelevant and out of touch with what's presently important to Canadians. If he was was truly aligned with his "for Canada" motto, he would put forth a message pushing back on Trump and his threats. Instead he skirts around speaking out against Trump directly but echoes Trumps phony concerns around border security. Seems incongruent with his earlier messages which sets off red flags for me.
That and he hasn't adjusted well on the fly to Trudeau stepping down. He seems to need an antagonist for his platform to be effective, instead of just presenting solid ideas to move us forward through this potentially challenging time he's patting himself on the back for things he claimed previously.
Doesn't inspire confidence.
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The problem is the party apparatus is too controlled by the far right elements of the party. We saw it with Kenny in Alberta and Otoole federally that making any overtures to science and putting in a C+ effort into vaccines and restrictions was enough to turf them.
So even if PP wanted to moderate he would be knifed in the back if he did.
Except the middle is a fairly attainable demographic right now with some common sense policies and some vision for building the nation while not being trump. They have always needed the far right cause Trudeau was pretty popular, not sure they do this time around.
Hard righties are probably in a tough spot right now. A fork in the road rife with cognitive dissonance.
They want to wave the Canadian flag high and proud but at the same time wouldn't disagree with Trump's "logic" that Canada should be absorbed by the US.
So what is it then, cause they can't really be for both, especially as this moves along.
Time to reveal whether they're really just American simps in Canadian fur or actually love their country, and occupying parliament hill was earnestly for their love of the nation, as they claim (and not because they're seditious ####s who would give it all up for Trump in a heartbeat).
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Hard righties are probably in a tough spot right now. A fork in the road rife with cognitive dissonance.
They want to wave the Canadian flag high and proud but at the same time wouldn't disagree with Trump's "logic" that Canada should be absorbed by the US.
So what is it then, cause they can't really be for both, especially as this moves along.
Time to reveal whether they're really just American simps in Canadian fur or actually love their country, and occupying parliament hill was earnestly for their love of the nation, as they claim (and not because they're seditious ####s who would give it all up for Trump in a heartbeat).
I’ve seen enough social media posts to think most of them are now just American simps. They can’t even criticize Trump for his actions, they turn it all back on Trudeau.
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That and he hasn't adjusted well on the fly to Trudeau stepping down. He seems to need an antagonist for his platform to be effective, instead of just presenting solid ideas to move us forward through this potentially challenging time he's patting himself on the back for things he claimed previously.
What I find interesting is how scared he and his supporters seem. Not scared of real threats, but scared of the power they felt owed slipping away. They look desperate, suddenly finding themselves out of touch with no real answers. Just look at how they’re acting.
Instead of acting like a leader, he’s fear mongering, trying to play gotchya politics by skewing and misrepresenting the way Carney says something, not his message. Instead of talking policy, he’s obsessing over Carney’s shoes. And when he does talk policy, like his fentanyl plan, he’s presenting absurd, poorly thought out plans that will go no where because they’re unconstitutional and wouldn’t work even if they weren’t because they target the wrong things and exacerbate other issues to an impossible degree. I mean, “I’m going to stop fentanyl and be tough on crime!” by... what… targeting users instead of dealers and further overloading the already bursting-at-the-seams justice system? Wow. Lucky us.
He’s being outclassed and outsmarted. He’s completely outmatched and has no answers. It’s honestly pathetic to watch. Meanwhile Carney is barely talking about PP at all. When he talks to people, he’s not afraid. He doesn’t say the perfect thing every time, but he’s selling hope in the face of adversity. He acknowledges the threats and is trying to be pragmatic about them, not panicked. All PP has is fear.
A lot can change so nothing is written in stone. But they’re going in the wrong direction fast and seem too proud or too stupid to adjust. I honestly hope they figure it out and change course here. Two strong people with two strong visions is better for Canada going into an election than one.
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The problem is the party apparatus is too controlled by the far right elements of the party. We saw it with Kenny in Alberta and Otoole federally that making any overtures to science and putting in a C+ effort into vaccines and restrictions was enough to turf them.
So even if PP wanted to moderate he would be knifed in the back if he did.
Think canada needs to start focusing on their economy soon or none of the other things are going to matter.
PP's role was always the attack dog. He doesn't know how else to act; he can only respond to what someone else was doing. it worked with Trudeau because Trudeau never actually answered anything.
The same people who tried to claim our flag for their agenda, now are ready to be American. Shocking.
At the the rest of us can have our flag back without people thinking it's that perverted support messaging.
In fairness, a lot of those losers were flying the flag upside down. Just a complete disgrace.
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PP's role was always the attack dog. He doesn't know how else to act; he can only respond to what someone else was doing. it worked with Trudeau because Trudeau never actually answered anything.
Carney did an hourlong interview on the Rest is Politics today. One guy Alistair Campbell is on the UK version and the other guy Anthony Scaramucci is a multi-millionaire on the U.S. version.
I wish they might have asked him a bit more the actual Liberal Leadership race. To me they seem to have made the leap that he wins that, and he's the one opposing Poilievre. He did note and I'm paraphrasing...and forgive me because I am an uneducated dolt with a crappy 2 year diploma so I'm not at the intellect level that the residents of the thread are...within the Liberal party a good lot of them got more focused on progression and did not pay enough attention to the economy. He's breaking from the current Liberals on this matter. This was going to have to change and it was time to focus more on the economy. He did stammer a bit at the thought of Trump calling him the Governor of the 51st state, and a couple times didn't have the political savvy to take a shot at his opponents.
The one comment he made was that America is a neighbor and not a friend now.
He says some things that stupid me can agree with. I'm still not convinced that he's not just the same thing with a different spin than what the Liberals have been for the last 10 years. But the more Trump talks and causes his chaos every day, I do think the message Carney delivers will resonate more with Canadians given enough time.
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Anthony Scaramucci is a billionaire? I had no idea that guy was loaded? I remember him from Trump's White House but I didn't actually know anything about him. Where did his money come from?
Anthony Scaramucci is a billionaire? I had no idea that guy was loaded? I remember him from Trump's White House but I didn't actually know anything about him. Where did his money come from?
Like Carney he was at Goldman Sachs, and he's the founder of Skybridge Capital.
I have to back that up too....he's only be a mere multi millionaire with an 8 figure net worth. Skybridge doesn't manage that much money.
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The problem is the party apparatus is too controlled by the far right elements of the party. We saw it with Kenny in Alberta and Otoole federally that making any overtures to science and putting in a C+ effort into vaccines and restrictions was enough to turf them.
So even if PP wanted to moderate he would be knifed in the back if he did.
Populists parties are especially vulnerable to this kind of party activism. Even if CPC strategists do the electoral math and chart a moderate path to victory, if the wannabe MAGA wing of the party isn’t onboard, they’ll rebel and either force Poilievre out or tear the party apart.
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