Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Slava

I was reading this morning about some of the cuts that Trump and his team have made in the US, and I think that is the most concerning part about the CPC for me. I’d have to be convinced that they’re not going to import that kind of disregard for experts and knowledge. Frankly, it’s both terrifying and stupid.

When Trump announced he was cutting out the U.S. foreign aid budget, what did Poilievre do a few days later? Announce he would cut the Canadian foreign aid budget.

It’s tough for the CPC to distance themselves from MAGA when they’re running the same playbook to a populist base who are in thrall to the same disinformation.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Goriders

And your saying the other parties don’t do that?

The Liberals are the kings of diversion. For them it’s perfect timing for the Tarriff crisis. Get to call an election and avoid scrutiny of their performance over the last decade.

Which played a big part in the crisis to begin with. It’s perfect for them and they will fully use it to their advantage.

Not to mention dumping their unelectable leader right before the election.

What in the world are you talking about? There’s no perfect time for your closest ally to stab you in the back and make threats to economically force annexation. The only way you would hold that view is if your leader was too cozy with them to criticize that action, and as a result is frittering away a 20+ point lead in the polls.

And no, the Liberals didn’t cause Trump to start this trade war. Greenland hasn’t done anything and neither has Panama. There are plenty of things to attack the Liberals for, most of which I agree with. This is just plainly unfounded though, and if the politics of the Conservatives weren’t being coopted by bootlickers and Trump sycophants we might have two reasonable options to consider this time around.

[Johnny Makarov]

Is Pierre deplorable stupid? He borrowed Trump's speech writer for this rally.

How can anyone vote for this loser after listening to this. He does know that the Americans aren't invading us right? hahahahah

How can he talk about fighting the Germans in the world wars when he is endorsed by the world's richest neo nazi? lol

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Goriders

And your saying the other parties don’t do that?

The Liberals are the kings of diversion. For them it’s perfect timing for the Tarriff crisis. Get to call an election and avoid scrutiny of their performance over the last decade.

Which played a big part in the crisis to begin with. It’s perfect for them and they will fully use it to their advantage.

Not to mention dumping their unelectable leader right before the election.

Those crafty Liberals, causing problems simply by doing what the Opposition has wanted them to do for months.

'Resign? Classic diversion!'

'An election?! Have they no shame!'

[Slava]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

When Trump announced he was cutting out the U.S. foreign aid budget, what did Poilievre do a few days later? Announce he would cut the Canadian foreign aid budget.

It’s tough for the CPC to distance themselves from MAGA when they’re running the same playbook to a populist base who are in thrall to the same disinformation.

Well, we all know why he won’t come out strong. First, it’s the same playbook. And second, he knows as soon as he does, he loses votes to the PPC. I mean there are plenty of photos of people like Jenni Byrne wearing MAGA hats, and I have a hard time thinking Canadians are lining up to support that. When you look at grocery store shelves and see Canadian products sold out beside full racks of US products, you have a pretty good indication of which side most people fall on.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Those crafty Liberals, causing problems simply by doing what the Opposition has wanted them to do for months.

'Resign? Classic diversion!'

'An election?! Have they no shame!'

So you agree.

[mogg]

Originally Posted by Goriders

And your saying the other parties don’t do that?

The Liberals are the kings of diversion. For them it’s perfect timing for the Tarriff crisis. Get to call an election and avoid scrutiny of their performance over the last decade.

Which played a big part in the crisis to begin with. It’s perfect for them and they will fully use it to their advantage.

Not to mention dumping their unelectable leader right before the election.

Oh absolutely. All parties play games. But only the CPC has adopted the Trump playbook, and once you’ve done that it’s hard to convince people you’re the party to stand up to the guy.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Goriders

So you agree.

Well I think that Trudeau needed to resign, and I agree with convention that an election should happen relatively soon after a leadership change happens. And given that the Opposition was trying to force an election heading into this, suggesting it's the Liberals that "get to" call an election seems absurd.



So...no?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I doubt it would be as clinical as in the states. A lot of it seems based on revenge down there. But there would more than likely be scrutiny of the public service because it has grown so much, bank of canada mandates (because of how much money was printed), military spending, energy regulation ect

That would be my guess.

The promise to defund the CBC might now be risky for the CPC, both as an example of a Trump-level slashing and an attack on Canadian culture.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by mogg

Oh absolutely. All parties play games. But only the CPC has adopted the Trump playbook, and once you’ve done that it’s hard to convince people you’re the party to stand up to the guy.

If you want an example of canadian politicians who say whatever they have to in order to benefit themselves look no further than Jagmeet Singh. He changes course everytime he opens his mouth.

If by Trump playbook you mean reign in government spending and taxes and increase productivity I agree with you. If you mean the trade war I don’t. He has said it’s unjustified.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by edslunch

The promise to defund the CBC might now be risky for the CPC, both as an example of a Trump-level slashing and an attack on Canadian culture.

I doubt he will back off of that one. They get singled out because they get the most funding. But he has said government shouldn’t be paying media salaries. It’s a huge conflict of interest and probably not healthy for society.

The media’s job is to hold the government accountable. The cuts in that area should happen no matter who is in office.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Well I think that Trudeau needed to resign, and I agree with convention that an election should happen relatively soon after a leadership change happens. And given that the Opposition was trying to force an election heading into this, suggesting it's the Liberals that "get to" call an election seems absurd.



So...no?

Do you think they would have dragged it out until it was advantageous for them if the trade war #### show wasn’t happening?

I bet your at least a maybe.

[Roughneck]

I'm confused, did you want Trudeau to resign or not?

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by edslunch

The promise to defund the CBC might now be risky for the CPC, both as an example of a Trump-level slashing and an attack on Canadian culture.

Absolutely it would, especially now with everything that's happening.

And for the record, I personally love the CBC. That sack of s*** PP can pry it from my cold dead hands, and I'll do everything in my power to help keep it from being dismantled.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Goriders

If you want an example of canadian politicians who say whatever they have to in order to benefit themselves look no further than Jagmeet Singh. He changes course everytime he opens his mouth.

If by Trump playbook you mean reign in government spending and taxes and increase productivity I agree with you. If you mean the trade war I don’t. He has said it’s unjustified.

The Trump playbook you’re describing actually means dismantling public institutions, increasing costs on everyone but the rich, and enriching his friends.

It’s funny that you praise Trump for being “all talk” and not following through and then criticize Singh for the same, though. Canadian Trump loyalists had a good run, but sorry, Canadians are turning their back on your way of thinking.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

When Trump announced he was cutting out the U.S. foreign aid budget, what did Poilievre do a few days later? Announce he would cut the Canadian foreign aid budget.

It’s tough for the CPC to distance themselves from MAGA when they’re running the same playbook to a populist base who are in thrall to the same disinformation.

Yeah, EKOS just released a poll and one of the questions was whether respondents approve of Trump's performance so far and the breakdown by vote intention is pretty stark:

Green: -98% (0% approve and 98% disapprove)
Liberal: -97% (1% approve and 98% disapprove)
Bloc: -97% (0% approve and 97% disapprove)
NDP: -94% (2% approve and 96% disapprove)
Conservative: -4% (41% approve and 45% disapprove)
PPC: +52% (69% approve and 17% disapprove)

It's hard to distance yourself too much from what nearly half your voters support.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Yeah, EKOS just released a poll and one of the questions was whether respondents approve of Trump's performance so far and the breakdown by vote intention is pretty stark:

Green: -98% (0% approve and 98% disapprove)
Liberal: -97% (1% approve and 98% disapprove)
Bloc: -97% (0% approve and 97% disapprove)
NDP: -94% (2% approve and 96% disapprove)
Conservative: -4% (41% approve and 45% disapprove)
PPC: +52% (69% approve and 17% disapprove)

It's hard to distance yourself too much from what nearly half your voters support.

Those 45% CPC who disapprove are potential Liberal voters, and part of 98%'s percent who disapprove were likely CPC voters a few months ago who shifted because the CPC hasn't.

It's painfully obvious what the CPC needs to do.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

I'm confused, did you want Trudeau to resign or not?

Of course. But the original commentary was about only the CPC being political oppurtunists.

Which was a naive comment.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Absolutely it would, especially now with everything that's happening.

And for the record, I personally love the CBC. That sack of s*** PP can pry it from my cold dead hands, and I'll do everything in my power to help keep it from being dismantled.

He’s not dismantling it.

He’s just not funding it. There’s a difference. So if you want you can. Lot’s of media outlets have fund raisers.

[mogg]

Originally Posted by Goriders

If you want an example of canadian politicians who say whatever they have to in order to benefit themselves look no further than Jagmeet Singh. He changes course everytime he opens his mouth.

I already agreed with you that no party is above this. The closer a party gets to power the more you see it. But with most of the other parties I at least see shreds or kernels of integrity here and there. PP comes off as a vindictive, soulless husk.

If by Trump playbook you mean reign in government spending and taxes and increase productivity I agree with you. If you mean the trade war I don’t. He has said it’s unjustified.

Haven’t we covered this? I said what I meant in my first post, and it wasn’t that. His slogan is “Canada First,” which is also what the Canadian Proud Boys are now called. He uses the same far-right populist rhetoric. He hangs out with Freedom Convoy people. He shares blatantly false or misleading information. He has the same disdain for security protocols. However you or I or anyone feels about any of this, it is Trump stuff.