2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Kind of funny that the idea of signing Cale Makar in 2.5 years is “rushing the rebuild.”

Like how long do you guys want to suck for? You don’t like hockey, just the game within the game?

Don't come out of the rebuild until the Flames can sign Dupont as a UFA. /s

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

it's not dumb to set a plan and stick to it, despite some minor changing conditions. NONE of the longterm conditions have changed.

What divergence from the specifics of a plan we've never seen have you noticed?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Kind of funny that the idea of signing Cale Makar in 2.5 years is “rushing the rebuild.”

Like how long do you guys want to suck for? You don’t like hockey, just the game within the game?

Makar, if he ever makes it to UFA status, would likely easily have another 5+ years of prime play, as he's a defenceman with a relatively low impact physical game. 5+ years of prime play from a superstar is what you hope to get out of a top draft pick. Were also now talking about planning 8 years into the future.

Rejecting Makar, because the Flames are in a "rebuild", is the equivalent of this:



It's a longshot that Makar would be signing with the Flames. If the opportunity arises, you do everything you can to make that happen. There's a few other players who you do the same for: Eichel (injury status dependent), McDavid(for comedy reasons too), Marner (I know some will disagree with me), etc...

[Tbull8]

Someone on the Fan960 postgame brought up the idea of going after Zellweger in Anaheim. Thoughts on what that would cost? 12 points in 39 games this year. 21 year old LD from Calgary

[blankall]

Now that I think about it, the Flames do have one reason not to sign Makar, and that'd be if Parekh fills the same role. Obviously, that's very dependent on Parekh becoming a superstar himself. Even then, there are scenarios, where you sign Makar and flip Parekh for a #1 centre.

I feel like I'm obviously day dreaming here, but these scenarios are more likely than the Flames tanking out and drafting a #1 centre with a top 3 pick at this point.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Don't come out of the rebuild until the Flames can sign Dupont as a UFA. /s

Great idea. We just need to rebuild the rebuild and, possibly, rebuild that rebuild, and then we’ll be ready to flick the switch and compete.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What divergence from the specifics of a plan we've never seen have you noticed?

Occasionally when I am trying to formulate a response to someone but just can't quite get my thoughts eloquently typed out, I just have to wait a bit for Bingo to swoop in and pull the words out of my head.

[Heavy Jack]

With the cap increasing does that allow the leafs to wiggle in Marner long term? If he did reach UFA he’d be another high end right handed winger to become available.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Someone on the Fan960 postgame brought up the idea of going after Zellweger in Anaheim. Thoughts on what that would cost? 12 points in 39 games this year. 21 year old LD from Calgary

I can't imagine he would be available. Guessing the Ducks would be looking for a 1st and lesser prospect for him.

[Tbull8]

I might do that. Later of our firsts plus a prospect?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

With the cap increasing does that allow the leafs to wiggle in Marner long term? If he did reach UFA he’d be another high end right handed winger to become available.

Tavares is coming off the books this summer too. The Leafs, if they wish to spend the money, should be able to fit in Marner. It's Tavares that will the Leafs are likely to have to make a decision about. If he doesn't accept a big discount, he's gone. The Leafs definitely gave Tavares his payday with the last contract, so he might accept below market to not move again.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I might do that. Later of our firsts plus a prospect?

I like him as a player and he has succeeded at every level, but 5'9" for a dman is tough in this league. Not sure I would be interested in giving up a bunch.

[dustygoon]

No matter what, if this team is going to actually be a threat, it needs to find a way to add at least two TOP players. There is a model someone wrote about that you need four elite players to win a cup.

I love how this team is playing and do not want to sell and rebuild. I get where some are coming from that they think bottoming out and picking high is a way to get those elite players.

But top players can be found with mid 1st round picks, or even 4th round picks!!

Can this team compete now, strive to win games, give the current youngsters a chance to see the importance of winning (vs what SJ or Chi has right now which is rough)

AND

Find some elite players?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Great idea. We just need to rebuild the rebuild and, possibly, rebuild that rebuild, and then we’ll be ready to flick the switch and compete.

Just in time for the next new arena in 30 years.

Hope they do it right this time and stick it in the West Village.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If Flames managed to get Rantanen and Makar, our window would open just as the greaser's was starting to close. HAHA

That would be a deep team.

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

If our rebuild hinges on signing two of the most coveted free agents in years, then something is awry.

Why are you quoting me when I never said that our rebuild 'hinges' on signing those players?

After signing our RFAs, Flames have lots of cap for Rantanen now and it will go up enough to fit Makar later.

It's a pipe dream sure, but are you saying you don't want those two players?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

No matter what, if this team is going to actually be a threat, it needs to find a way to add at least two TOP players. There is a model someone wrote about that you need four elite players to win a cup.

I love how this team is playing and do not want to sell and rebuild. I get where some are coming from that they think bottoming out and picking high is a way to get those elite players.

But top players can be found with mid 1st round picks, or even 4th round picks!!

Can this team compete now, strive to win games, give the current youngsters a chance to see the importance of winning (vs what SJ or Chi has right now which is rough)

AND

Find some elite players?

The Flames 100% need to find a 1C. That said, I think that they have an elite defensemen coming with Parekh

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I like him as a player and he has succeeded at every level, but 5'9" for a dman is tough in this league. Not sure I would be interested in giving up a bunch.

5'10 187. Thats not too bad imo.
Thats the same height and 7 lbs more than Hughes
The idea would be to pair him with Weegar

[Groot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Great idea. We just need to rebuild the rebuild and, possibly, rebuild that rebuild, and then we’ll be ready to flick the switch and compete.

Imagine if we got lucky and drafted Dupont. Do you know how many picks we could get for him? Some team would probably give up 3 1st rounders if not more. And then if one of those picks is a blue chip prospect? We can get even more draft picks! When the team has 64 picks in the first two rounds, the rebuild can truly begin.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Why are you quoting me when I never said that our rebuild 'hinges' on signing those players?

After signing our RFAs, Flames have lots of cap for Rantanen now and it will go up enough to fit Makar later.

It's a pipe dream sure, but are you saying you don't want those two players?

Quoted you, but didn't aim the 'hinge' comment at you specifically.

With the chatter from Leslie etc., I just think any hopes of building our core via free agency is a) not a sound strategy, and b) wishful thinking and not attuned to the reality of Canadian small market teams like the Flames.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by blankall

Now that I think about it, the Flames do have one reason not to sign Makar, and that'd be if Parekh fills the same role. Obviously, that's very dependent on Parekh becoming a superstar himself. Even then, there are scenarios, where you sign Makar and flip Parekh for a #1 centre.

I feel like I'm obviously day dreaming here, but these scenarios are more likely than the Flames tanking out and drafting a #1 centre with a top 3 pick at this point.

Just to play along…

My initial thought was the same, but it is a problem you want to have (what to do with Parekh if he pops), rather than not have.