2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bonded]

Rantanen is not doing so hot in Carolina.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

If the Rangers look to add again, maybe they would listen for an offer on K'Andre Miller.

Big defender with skill who looks like a change of scenery may do wonders for him. Flames could take the entirety of his contract (almost 4 mil) without sending back any cap thus providing more room for them to add where needed.

Noooo. He would instantly become the whipping boy here, he is Darnell Nurse.

[Monahammer]

Full on trying to contend. Dumb. Whatever I guess! We will be back to rebuilding mode in probably 2 seasons and potentially in worse shape contract wise depending what mistakes we try to make.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Full on trying to contend. Dumb. Whatever I guess! We will be back to rebuilding mode in probably 2 seasons and potentially in worse shape contract wise depending what mistakes we try to make.

I don’t know about anyone else but I for one look forward to your constant lamenting of this opinion that you seemingly can’t shake. Don’t stumble into the prospects forum as it may cloud your forever doomsday judgement of the Flames and whether or not they’ll be closer to your depiction of what they’ll be 2 years from now lol.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Full on trying to contend. Dumb. Whatever I guess! We will be back to rebuilding mode in probably 2 seasons and potentially in worse shape contract wise depending what mistakes we try to make.

Wolf will regress over 2 seasons? Not even be as good as this season?
Parekh won't have any impact whatsoever?
Zary and Coronato have already hit their ceiling? No more improvement?
Not a single player from the 1st place AHL team will be promoted?
Conroy won't make even one good UFA signing?

Whatever I guess!

[Monahammer]

None of that will matter, Groot. We don't have a 1C, we will get bounced in r1 if we make the playoffs. Or, the team chemistry will be off.

We are not built correctly to contend. If we go out and spend big money on FAs now, we will still not be built correctly to contend. It will only take a few years of getting bounced immediately for everyone to get fed up again with all the money spent on no success.

[Iniggywetrust]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

None of that will matter, Groot. We don't have a 1C, we will get bounced in r1 if we make the playoffs. Or, the team chemistry will be off.

We are not built correctly to contend. If we go out and spend big money on FAs now, we will still not be built correctly to contend. It will only take a few years of getting bounced immediately for everyone to get fed up again with all the money spent on no success.

Pinder???

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Full on trying to contend. Dumb. Whatever I guess! We will be back to rebuilding mode in probably 2 seasons and potentially in worse shape contract wise depending what mistakes we try to make.

If you want to use the word dumb, dumb would be ignoring what is going on with the team, and tearing it down anyway. Dumb is blindly sticking to the old plan when the environment has completely changed and that plan is no longer applicable.

Take a look at the team. This isn't a team with a core of players between 26-32, who simply aren't good enough (a mushy middle core), that core (Lindholm, Toffoli, Mangiapane, Hanifin, Zadorov) have already been traded.

This is a team that has a few legacy older players (Kadri, Backlund, Coleman, Huberdeau) and a bunch of young players - the next core. There are NINE guys in the lineup that are 25 or younger. And the Flames have been building the prospect pool at a better rate than almost every other team, over the last couple years. And they will continue to do so. This is a team that is being rebuilt right in front of our eyes, but some people refuse to look.

Making the playoffs isn't 'dumb'. It gives Zary and Coronato and Frost and Farabee and Klapka and Bahl and Wolf playoff experience. It makes them better players. Playing games that matter, and playing playoff games, are good for development.

Drafting is important, and the more picks the better. But development is also important - maybe MORE important.

You should consider opening your eyes and enjoying what's happening - it's actually pretty terrific!

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If Flames managed to get Rantanen and Makar, our window would open just as the greaser's was starting to close. HAHA

That would be a deep team.

If our rebuild hinges on signing two of the most coveted free agents in years, then something is awry.

[Monahammer]

it's not dumb to set a plan and stick to it, despite some minor changing conditions. NONE of the longterm conditions have changed.

[Bonded]

If the Flames don’t bottom out then they will basically have to pull of a St Louis blues cup win or get lucky with a pick like Point. They seem to have the goalie for it but will need super deep depth.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

it's not dumb to set a plan and stick to it, despite some minor changing conditions. NONE of the longterm conditions have changed.

If Wolf is a truly an elite goalie that isn’t a minor condition change as he will keep the Flames out of the bottom five anyways. That is what Conroy needs to decide on. So far he has continued to target age appropriate players so I am not too worried about Rantanen.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

it's not dumb to set a plan and stick to it, despite some minor changing conditions. NONE of the longterm conditions have changed.

And none of the long term plans have changed.

The only thing that has changed is what is going on this year. And that has changed because the team has forced the change with their good play - they've earned it.

You seem incapable of seeing that the short term plan can be modified, while the long term plan remains in tact. But that is how all good planning is done.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

it's not dumb to set a plan and stick to it, despite some minor changing conditions. NONE of the longterm conditions have changed.

The Flames have literally sold off a bunch of their assets. What do you want them to do, bench their 23 year old goalie because he’s preventing them from bottoming out? They are in the mushy middle in spite of all of the changes they have made. If you are already there, you may as well continue to try and improve no?

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If you want to use the word dumb, dumb would be ignoring what is going on with the team, and tearing it down anyway. Dumb is blindly sticking to the old plan when the environment has completely changed and that plan is no longer applicable.

Take a look at the team. This isn't a team with a core of players between 26-32, who simply aren't good enough (a mushy middle core), that core (Lindholm, Toffoli, Mangiapane, Hanifin, Zadorov) have already been traded.

This is a team that has a few legacy older players (Kadri, Backlund, Coleman, Huberdeau) and a bunch of young players - the next core. There are NINE guys in the lineup that are 25 or younger. And the Flames have been building the prospect pool at a better rate than almost every other team, over the last couple years. And they will continue to do so. This is a team that is being rebuilt right in front of our eyes, but some people refuse to look.

Making the playoffs isn't 'dumb'. It gives Zary and Coronato and Frost and Farabee and Klapka and Bahl and Wolf playoff experience. It makes them better players. Playing games that matter, and playing playoff games, are good for development.

Drafting is important, and the more picks the better. But development is also important - maybe MORE important.

You should consider opening your eyes and enjoying what's happening - it's actually pretty terrific!

Yes, we have an infusion of young players in our lineup, which is a great development. But let's not go crazy yet. Definitively, I'll give you we have Zary, Coronato, and Wolf as components of our next core. Zary and Coronato are nice pieces, but not cornerstones of a core by any stretch.

Bahl, another nice player, is a 4-5 on a contending blueline. Frost and Farabee, we don't totally know what we have here. All it took was a 2nd rounder to pry them away, and they needed changes of scenery so make of that what you will. Far from locks to be part of our next core. Others in our sub-25 camp are role players/fringe of the roster.

I'm also not ready to look at our prospect pool and say 'yep, it's time to load up. We're good.'

We need 2-3 drafts like we just had, and THEN count me on board. Until then, our core isn't anywhere close to the point of just adding free agents and letting the chips fall where they will.

The Flames have a LOT of building to do yet through the draft.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Yes, we have an infusion of young players in our lineup, which is a great development. But let's not go crazy yet. Definitively, I'll give you we have Zary, Coronato, and Wolf as components of our next core. Zary and Coronato are nice pieces, but not cornerstones of a core by any stretch.

Bahl, another nice player, is a 4-5 on a contending blueline. Frost and Farabee, we don't totally know what we have here. All it took was a 2nd rounder to pry them away, and they needed changes of scenery so make of that what you will. Far from locks to be part of our next core. Others in our sub-25 camp are role players/fringe of the roster.

I'm also not ready to look at our prospect pool and say 'yep, it's time to load up. We're good.'

We need 2-3 drafts like we just had, and THEN count me on board. Until then, our core isn't anywhere close to the point of just adding free agents and letting the chips fall where they will.

The Flames have a LOT of building to do yet through the draft.

Everyone is in agreement on this.

The discussion is directed at the few who believe that the team thinks the rebuilding is over.

[PepsiFree]

Kind of funny that the idea of signing Cale Makar in 2.5 years is “rushing the rebuild.”

Like how long do you guys want to suck for? You don’t like hockey, just the game within the game?

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would like to see how the rest of this season unfolds - and how the Flames are next season - before I am ready to say that the Flames should be trying to contend.


I think Conroy is simply going to do his best to continue building the way he has been - through the draft, trying to find young pieces with upside through trades, and staying patient. With Frost and Farabee now, I would say it is less likely that the Flames implode and end up in the top 5 next season, but I also don't think they are anywhere close to contending yet.



This team will still need a top line, and I don't really see it in the organization yet - at least not a complete top line. They are still missing that game-changing C, and probably missing another game-changing offensive player (preferably another C, but can be a winger). I think with Parekh, Weegar, Andersson (if re-signed) and Bahl - that should be good enough (and there are more pieces that will be pushing too). Wolf in net should be good enough. Lots and lots of depth in the lineup already and in the organization.



Flames are just missing a few top-end pieces (and some time to develop their young players). I 100% can understand Monahammer's discomfort as I don't really see the top-end pieces organizationally at the moment. Doesn't mean that some existing pieces won't develop into them, and the Flames may certainly draft them in the next couple of drafts even without drafting in the top 5, but it is a worry nonetheless to me as well.



I do think that in 2 years, this team will probably look radically different than this one, so I am not going to stay up at night worrying about it. I do see both sides right now, and though I do think it is much more likely to draft a couple of franchise forwards (especially at C) in the top 5, it looks like the Flames will probably be doing their best to find them deeper in the draft, but have the draft history to show that they probably can. Franchise-level Cs are just so damn difficult to find later in the draft as opposed to other positions, but it isn't as if they are never drafted beyond pick 15 either. Rarer - much rarer - but possible. I worry about it too, but let's just see where this goes through next season.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

Pinder???

[Sofa GM]

Rantanen is not signing here. Not sure why we think that's a possibility. I think Craig has done a good job of bringing in useful assets, acquiring picks and rewarding young players in the system. I suspect he will continue to do this going forward.