Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by simmer2

Buildings cost money to build. Those costs go up, they charge the developer, who charges more for leases, which get passed onto the consumer.

Everything is for the consumer eventually, so everyone will pay more.

It will absolutely cost you more. Businesses will pass along all additional costs.

That’s skirting the question, though. My house, car, place of work, grocery store, etc don’t cost anything to build… they already exist.

What you’re talking about is a small percentage increase of a small percentage increase of a small percentage increase of a small percentage increase on a limited number of things that have a direct impact on “money in your pocket.”

If the price of steel goes up 20%, gas at the pump doesn’t go up 20%. Your car doesn’t cost 20% more to drive nor does your home cost 20% more to live in. It’s at most a small fraction of an increase, if at all (businesses do not pass all cost increases to the consumer unless the market allows it). And Carney’s whole statement was “How much steel do you use? Not as much as you used to.” So forgive me, but anyone saying Carney was suggesting “Canadians don’t use steel” is a gullible fool.

[Mr.Coffee]

I guess when you don't build anything in your country you don't use as much steel, that is true.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s skirting the question, though. My house, car, place of work, grocery store, etc don’t cost anything to build… they already exist.

What you’re talking about is a small percentage increase of a small percentage increase of a small percentage increase of a small percentage increase on a limited number of things that have a direct impact on “money in your pocket.”

If the price of steel goes up 20%, gas at the pump doesn’t go up 20%. Your car doesn’t cost 20% more to drive nor does your home cost 20% more to live in. It’s at most a small fraction of an increase, if at all (businesses do not pass all cost increases to the consumer unless the market allows it). And Carney’s whole statement was “How much steel do you use? Not as much as you used to.” So forgive me, but anyone saying Carney was suggesting “Canadians don’t use steel” is a gullible fool.

You get in the car and go to leave your newly plowed parking lot. i used Canadian steel to repair the cutting edge on the plow blade. They applied salt from the steel truck deck I just built out of canadian steel. You drive down deerfoot and drive over the bridge I just used canadian steel to help build. It starts getting dark and the street lights come on that were just installed using canadian pipe. You get to the public library where you grab the new handrails because its slippery, Canadian steel. Trust me, you are paying for it, either directly, on your tax’s or somewhere else. Its hard enough running a business right now in canada, i cant absorb your portion of this carbon tax or the next one. You will get that bill eventually. For reference, my 10,000sq shop with a new roof with new insulation was $900.00 for carbon tax this month, and it was not even cold. And my employees reallydont like working in the cold
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[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Azure

Oh look, nobody was talking about PP, but because he lives rent free in Fuzz's head, here we are.

Sounds like you are going to stroke out before the next election.

What has PP offered to do with these tariffs? Get bent over the oval desk for his master?

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Sounds like you are going to stroke out before the next election.

What has PP offered to do with these tariffs? Get bent over the oval desk for his master?

If he is offering and it gets this sorted thats up to him. You some kind of homophobe?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

If he is offering and it gets this sorted thats up to him. You some kind of homophobe?

Well since he has no position on anything except for attacking Trudeau we can just all assume that is what he will do.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Azure

The guy is an elitist loser who has no idea how the real world works.

Are you surprised he has no idea how steel is actually used in producing stuff?

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This is an astounding statement coming from you, directed at the guy with this experience:


Yes, I'm sure he has no idea how the world works, so we should probably just listen to morons instead.

Originally Posted by Azure

Oh look, nobody was talking about PP, but because he lives rent free in Fuzz's head, here we are.

Imagine bringing up Pierre Polliviere in a Canadian Politics thread? Absolutely random event by Fuzz.

[Firebot]

Transcript

no
3:27
because the what what the uh the big
3:29
companies are producing by and large are
3:31
not products that we are consuming
3:33
there's some element of that but by and
3:35
large you know a steel company how much
3:37
how much steel are you using these days
3:39
Todd I mean not as much not as much we
3:41
used so so that's that's core to it

Originally Posted by Firebot

Saying we don't use steel anymore

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s not what he said, but CPC sycophants sure are desperate to frame it that way. Watching people fall over themselves trying to get the higher spot on the soapbox is absolutely hilarious.

You are such an insufferable bootlicking partisan dunce.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Transcript

no
3:27
because the what what the uh the big
3:29
companies are producing by and large are
3:31
not products that we are consuming
3:33
there's some element of that but by and
3:35
large you know a steel company how much
3:37
how much steel are you using these days
3:39
Todd I mean not as much not as much we
3:41
used so so that's that's core to it





You are such an insufferable bootlicking partisan dunce.

FYP by bolding the parts you ignored. But I guess saying “there’s some consumer element to it” and “we don’t use as much steel as we used to” sounds a lot like “we don't use steel anymore” when you’re trying to hear it over the sounds over your own partisan wailing that gets triggered every time anyone but a Conservative speaks.

Keep trying though.

[Firebot]

I am well aware of what he said and you are being a dunce on purpose because you can't help yourself.

His take, whether you want to argue semantics on his words used to downplay what he said, is a poor one.

He's saying steel is an expendable product that we don't use ('much' to qualify it for you) despite us importing more steel than we export and historically having a trade deficit, and you are defending his words and I see you double down on your stupid take. This in light of major tariffs hitting Canada and ones that targeted steel in the past and still exist, an industry that we should should be promoting to produce here, not killing.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I am well aware of what he said and you are being a dunce on purpose because you can't help yourself.

So it wasn’t poor reading comprehension, but instead a purposeful misrepresentation of what he said?

At least you’re not ashamed of your rampant partisanship, I guess. Gross.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s skirting the question, though. My house, car, place of work, grocery store, etc don’t cost anything to build… they already exist.

What you’re talking about is a small percentage increase of a small percentage increase of a small percentage increase of a small percentage increase on a limited number of things that have a direct impact on “money in your pocket.”

If the price of steel goes up 20%, gas at the pump doesn’t go up 20%. Your car doesn’t cost 20% more to drive nor does your home cost 20% more to live in. It’s at most a small fraction of an increase, if at all (businesses do not pass all cost increases to the consumer unless the market allows it). And Carney’s whole statement was “How much steel do you use? Not as much as you used to.” So forgive me, but anyone saying Carney was suggesting “Canadians don’t use steel” is a gullible fool.

Gas at the pump would go up as would power. We pay the cost of the marginal gallon and KW not the cost of the average KW.

Same with rental costs. It all baked around the cost of the replacement. So in a growing population you will pay on marginal replacement cost whereas you wouldn’t pay in a shrinking society.

I think the better argument is the tax already exists and as far as I’ve seen the cost per tonne is not increasing so there is no real new affect we are just redirecting the things the industry carbon tax will pay for (could be wrong here).

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Azure

Well at this point Carney is turning into a complete buffoon.

Ouch of touch is one thing, a complete moron who has no clue how the economy works is another thing.

I guy who would literally be in the conversation for most prominent economist in Canadian history?

Strong take.

But I guess if you support PP then takes are the Everest of politics, screw ideas, screw governance or making peoples lives better, lets just engage in crap punditry.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

If he is offering and it gets this sorted thats up to him. You some kind of homophobe?

No but I’m not a fan of whores…

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by #-3

I guy who would literally be in the conversation for most prominent economist in Canadian history?

Strong take.

But I guess if you support PP then takes are the Everest of politics, screw ideas, screw governance or making peoples lives better, lets just engage in crap punditry.

It’s basically an intellectual litmus test at this point. There is virtually no question that Mark Carney has, at very least, a highly competent understanding of the economy. Most people would comfortably call him an expert. Aside from being the governor of the Bank of Canada and England and the chair of the Financial Stability Board, the man graduated from Harvard with honours in economics and get his masters and doctorate from Oxford.

That’s not to say his ideas or his practice is above criticism, at all. But the idea that some random guy from Manitoba who sells air conditioning units would say, “Mark Carney is a complete moron is who has no clue how the economy works” is so absurd that’s you’d think it was a comedy bit. It’s so absurd that it basically disqualifies that person’s opinion on virtually anything.

Like him for leader or not, Carney is incredibly smart and better qualified to handle the economy than any leader of any party, period, by far.

If PP supporters want to come for Carney, they’re going to have to shut their mouths about the economy or qualifications and hope those areas aren’t battle grounds. Those aren’t battles PP is going to win.

[evman150]

Azure calls anyone who doesn't agree with his myopic and provincial vision of Canada a "moron".

Say what you will about Mark Carney, but calling him a "moron" who has "no clue how the economy works" says far more about Azure than it does about Mark Carney.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by #-3

I guy who would literally be in the conversation for most prominent economist in Canadian history?

Strong take.

But I guess if you support PP then takes are the Everest of politics, screw ideas, screw governance or making peoples lives better, lets just engage in crap punditry.

When was the last time you used steel? I don’t mention oil or gas or any other service that we will also tax and pretend you won’t pay the difference on.

The more I hear from Carney the more he’s just the same as Trudeau - which makes sense since he has supported everything that’s been done the last 8 years.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by evman150

Azure calls anyone who doesn't agree with his myopic and provincial vision of Canada a "moron".

Say what you will about Mark Carney, but calling him a "moron" who has "no clue how the economy works" says far more about Azure than it does about Mark Carney.

Anytime someone throws out that vague insult about complex subjects, it’s a tell.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Weitz

When was the last time you used steel? I don’t mention oil or gas or any other service that we will also tax and pretend you won’t pay the difference on.

The more I hear from Carney the more he’s just the same as Trudeau - which makes sense since he has supported everything that’s been done the last 8 years.

Put up or shut up: break down how much Carney’s plan is going to increase the costs of good we commonly use, right now.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Put up or shut up: break down how much Carney’s plan is going to increase the costs of good we commonly use, right now.

We’re all speculating including you thinking it’s not going to cost anything. I imagine you still think there’s only going to be a steel tax and not a gas or or oil or literally everything you use every day tax.

Carney hasn’t posted his plan yet. If you know feel free to enlighten us.