Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

You are looking at ESG thru the lens of Corporation. I agree. Now take the exact same principles and apply them to the lens of Government controlling the factors of what they consider the pillars of ESG. Which, Carney speaks directly about doing in his book Values.

Can’t answer his questions? You could google them.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

You are looking at ESG thru the lens of Corporation. I agree. Now take the exact same principles and apply them to the lens of Government controlling the factors of what they consider the pillars of ESG. Which, Carney speaks directly about doing in his book Values.

But we do that already...

We didn't trade with South Africa due to apartheid (Social)
We implement tarriffs on China because of their lack of transparency and corruption (governance)

Carney is talking about adding environmental criteria when selecting trade partners because climate change is real and everyone should be doing more than bitching at COP meetings about it.

[Azure]

Every 5 min it changes. Makes him look like a complete moron, which is remarkable because who knew that was possible.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1885435261632249945

[Fuzz]

Who knew it was possible Trump could make himself look lie a complete moron? Uhm everyone with a functioning brain cell?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by belsarius

But we do that already...

We didn't trade with South Africa due to apartheid (Social)
We implement tarriffs on China because of their lack of transparency and corruption (governance)

Carney is talking about adding environmental criteria when selecting trade partners because climate change is real and everyone should be doing more than bitching at COP meetings about it.

We have millions of dollars of banned Russian oil coming into Canada.

We shouldn't lecture anyone on anything ESG.

Carney is virtue signalling and providing smoke and mirrors to hide years of terrible Liberal Party policy. The fact that anyone believes a word coming out of his mouth is remarkable.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Azure

We have millions of dollars of banned Russian oil coming into Canada.

We shouldn't lecture anyone on anything ESG.

Carney is virtue signalling and providing smoke and mirrors to hide years of terrible Liberal Party policy. The fact that anyone believes a word coming out of his mouth is remarkable.

If anything, the fact that this is happening is even more reason we need to beef up our policies regarding international trade using ESG standards.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

You are looking at ESG thru the lens of Corporation. I agree. Now take the exact same principles and apply them to the lens of Government controlling the factors of what they consider the pillars of ESG. Which, Carney speaks directly about doing in his book Values.

1) ESG is pretty much explicitly the real of corporations. That's the point.
Are there such things as government policy that put emphasis on the environment, or social justice? Sure. But almost by definition government policy cannot be ESG policy. Also, I'm not sure why you think it's a bad thing, but I very much support protecting the environment, workers rights, and stopping corruption (the pillars of ESG).

2) I'm not talking about Carney, I'm talking about how you're claiming that not only is China a leader in ESG policy, but that it is somehow marxism.

In the simplest terms ESG policy is about going above and beyond legal requirements to take into account things like:

1) Environmental Impact (the E: environment)
2) Human Rights (the S: Social)
3) Anti-Corruption (the G: Governance)

So please give me a single example where China is leading the way on protecting the environment, protecting human rights, and preventing corruption.

Also, please let me know why you think those are bad things.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Azure

The point being that encouraging people to buy a heat pump by actually rebating or giving a grant for the heat pump is the proper way of reducing emissions.

Most families cannot afford $15k changes, and therefore the carbon tax that punishes a family for having a natural gas furnace but doesn't give that same family a way to get a heat pump or electric furnance is the dumbest frickin' idea that was ever conceived wrapped up in the guise of Liberal tax everything to crap policy.

But look at what happened in the Maritimes this fall. They had various incentive programs, rebates and grants to get homes retrofitted from oil heaters to something more green and energy efficient. There wasn't a lot of uptake and instead the home owners were hit with big increases because of the carbon tax to the point where the Liberals had to given them a special exclusion from the tax on heating oil. The people who can afford to make upgrades will take the government handout and everyone else will be left behind.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Azure

Every 5 min it changes. Makes him look like a complete moron, which is remarkable because who knew that was possible.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1885435261632249945

The waffling and shifting sands minute over minute and negotiating in public are intentional. This is how he does business. And even when you have an agreement, sometimes he just simply doesn't adhere to it or pay if he feels he can muscle out of it. If you get too in the weeds and live and die by the tweets it will be a stressful 4+ years.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

OK, looks incriminating, but then it doesn't explain why they polled similarly to other pollsters from Sep 2023 on(and perhaps before, didn't look). If this was his goal through manipulated poll results, why take that time off?

Anyway, it's not super important at this point because we aren't going into an election yet and these numbers are bound to be all over the place as things change.

Don't know. Maybe he became anti-Trudeau when everything was falling apart a few months ago? EKOS at times has been middle of the pack, at other times complete outliers that made little sense. Right now it's in the later. Abacus has questioned their polling methods.

There is a reason why EKOS is rated as one of the lowest polls weighting on 338Canada numbers.

He's currently in a mud swinging fight on X replying to Coyne's post and had to address that Poilievre tweet from 3 years ago.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1885153021136359861

[Azure]

Originally Posted by belsarius

If anything, the fact that this is happening is even more reason we need to beef up our policies regarding international trade using ESG standards.

Well, sure. But why should anyone trust a word our government says?

And its actually not just the Liberals. There are reports coming out saying there was concern about Chinese infiltration at Vancouver ports going back 25 years and nobody gave a #### about it. Just like they don't give a #### about $250 million dollars worth of Russian oil & gas coming into Canada.

Our country is a joke. All we're left with is our officials wagging their mouths up and down like a bunch of clowns.

[Azure]

What a moron. They are producing products we don't use and the prices wouldn't trickle down?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1885686080046785020

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Azure

What a moron. They are producing products we don't use and the prices wouldn't trickle down?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1885686080046785020

Wait what?

You don't use steel? Steel that's in vehicles, sports equipment, medical devices, public transportation, buildings, and general urban infrastructure?

You don't use energy right? Or heat your home right?

You don't eat food right? Right?

EDIT: Maybe if you're still hooked on the Liberal party Century Initiative to jam 100 million people into the dog crate condos. 100 bodies into a single a condo. That might lower the average steel usage per body I guess. 100 people might survive heat wise in the -20 C temperatures if they jiggle around pressed together enough. And survival of the fittest to see who can kill and eat your roommates first to survive without having to buy food lol.

[OldDutch]

So by election day, we likely will see a full blown recession with inflation through the roof, and Carney will be running on carbon taxes.

They don’t call them out of touch Libs for nothing.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

So by election day, we likely will see a full blown recession with inflation through the roof, and Carney will be running on carbon taxes.

They don’t call them out of touch Libs for nothing.

True. As any smart person can see, the one issue that’s been discussed is his only plan and will remain his only plan even as things dramatically change. Very astute.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Wait what?

You don't use steel? Steel that's in vehicles, sports equipment, medical devices, public transportation, buildings, and general urban infrastructure?

You don't use energy right? Or heat your home right?

You don't eat food right? Right?

EDIT: Maybe if you're still hooked on the Liberal party Century Initiative to jam 100 million people into the dog crate condos. 100 bodies into a single a condo. That might lower the average steel usage per body I guess. 100 people might survive heat wise in the -20 C temperatures if they jiggle around pressed together enough. And survival of the fittest to see who can kill and eat your roommates first to survive without having to buy food lol.

The industrial carbon tax works on the best in industry practices and how you compare to them. It isn’t a direct tax on emissions it’s a tax on excess emissions over your peers. It also as considerations for competitiveness. So it’s a good program to incentivize emission reductions by charging for externalities.

Now this isn’t very effective for SAGD as the rock determines your Steam Oil Ratio which dominates your emissions so it’s just taxing on geology rather than technology so Tier is better. And remember the first industrial carbon tax in Canada was created in Alberta.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Azure

What a moron. They are producing products we don't use and the prices wouldn't trickle down?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1885686080046785020

Way to kill off the Ontario and Quebec vote in a single soundbyte. Poilievre is already using it.

What the hell is he thinking? Ontario and Quebec are the top steel producers of the country, and steel manufacturing are at near record highs. It's a vital part of our manufacturing.

Saying we don't use steel anymore is an absolute moronic novice politician mistake.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Way to kill off the Ontario and Quebec vote in a single soundbyte. Poilievre is already using it.

What the hell is he thinking? Ontario and Quebec are the top steel producers of the country, and steel manufacturing are at near record highs. It's a vital part of our manufacturing.

Saying we don't use steel anymore is an absolute moronic novice politician mistake.

That’s not what he said, but CPC sycophants sure are desperate to frame it that way. Watching people fall over themselves trying to get the higher spot on the soapbox is absolutely hilarious.

[Weitz]

"How much steel you using these days?"

Got em pepsi.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

So by election day, we likely will see a full blown recession with inflation through the roof, and Carney will be running on carbon taxes.

They don’t call them out of touch Libs for nothing.

Well at this point Carney is turning into a complete buffoon.

Ouch of touch is one thing, a complete moron who has no clue how the economy works is another thing.