At the rate they are going there won't be another one.
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Canada has killed tens of millions of Americans. Nice touch blonde lady.
There are so many ludicrous things with the supposed fentanyl threat as being the cause for concern. Why would there not be increased funding for mental health services, have taxpayer-funded rehabilitation services, efforts to decrease the inequalities that are associated with drug abuse, safe injection sites... you know the things that actually save people's lives.
That should be how the Canadian government can call their bluff. Offer to send policy experts to the United States to work with their administration in order to save people's lives. Make a big show about drug strategies that have an upstream effect. It will obviously fall on deaf ears but it will be evidence to some of the non-lunatics in America that the tariff threats are being put in place for the express purpose of generating revenue, with a likelihood for corporate tax cuts and grifts.
There are so many ludicrous things with the supposed fentanyl threat as being the cause for concern. Why would there not be increased funding for mental health services, have taxpayer-funded rehabilitation services, efforts to decrease the inequalities that are associated with drug abuse, safe injection sites... you know the things that actually save people's lives.
That should be how the Canadian government can call their bluff. Offer to send policy experts to the United States to work with their administration in order to save people's lives. Make a big show about drug strategies that have an upstream effect. It will obviously fall on deaf ears but it will be evidence to some of the non-lunatics in America that the tariff threats are being put in place for the express purpose of generating revenue, with a likelihood for corporate tax cuts and grifts.
That's the thing though, there are no quantifiable metrics to Trumps demands that we can reach for this to end. What does he really want? Numbers? Even Danielle Smith doesn't know and she's been there with him.
He will keep moving the goalposts and the Canadian government should call his bluffs cause he's negotiating in bad faith
Ok, so now we are getting 25% tariffs starting tomorrow, except oil is exempted until February 18th and then it will get a 10% tariff.
Look for this to change who knows how many times after I post this.
I thought it was 10% “less” on O&G, so presumably 15%?
Seems like Trump thinks they can develop a strategy to offset the effect of this, ie find more barrels in their own internal sources, by feb 18? Or does it just take that long to develop a mechanism to charge the tariff?
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Also, my work mates were insufferable trump supporters up until these shenanigans. Now they can't break their legs walking back fast enough with "It's all out of my control" and I keep reminding them that this is your guy...Ugghhh
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Don’t cut your nose off to spite your face, but if you can, always avoid buying American products where there are alternatives available.
I wonder if there are any good lists out there that have Canadian companies for products that people regularly use. I'd like to support that movement, but researching every single consumer item is time consuming and tedious for a lot of people.
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Trump now saying that there's nothing that Canada or Mexico can do to avoid tariffs, and that the EU is next. What a f***ing clown show. Dude doesn't even know what a tariff is or how it works.
If there's a positive to any of this crap, it's that the rest of the world is now becoming united against the USA. If America wants to be completely isolated, self-sufficient, and cut off from the rest of the globe, then have at it. The rest of the world can hopefully work together and find ways to move forward without them.
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Here are Canadian alternatives to US products if the tariffs start. I didn’t make the list…I’m just sharing someone else’s work.
Dairy Products
Instead of Kraft (cheese, dairy) → Try Saputo, Black Diamond, Armstrong
Instead of Philadelphia (cream cheese) → Try Lactantia, Tre Stelle, Agropur
Instead of Yoplait (yogurt) → Try Astro, Olympic, Liberté
Instead of Land O'Lakes (butter) → Try Lactantia, Natrel, Gay Lea
Soft Drinks & Beverages
Instead of Coca-Cola, Pepsi → Try Canada Dry, PC Cola, Great Value (Walmart)
Instead of Tropicana (juice) → Try Oasis, SunRype, Arthur’s
Instead of Gatorade, Powerade → Try BioSteel (Canadian sports drink)
Instead of Starbucks bottled drinks → Try Tim Hortons, Second Cup ready-to-drink beverages
Meat & Processed Foods
Instead of Oscar Mayer (deli meats) → Try Maple Leaf, Schneiders, Pillers
Instead of Hormel (bacon, ham) → Try Olymel, Grimm’s
Instead of Tyson Foods (chicken products) → Try Lilydale, Maple Lodge Farms
Instead of Beyond Meat (plant-based) → Try Yves Veggie Cuisine, Gardein
Condiments & Sauces
Instead of Hellmann’s (mayonnaise) → Try President's Choice, Compliments
Instead of French's (mustard) → Try Kozlik’s, President's Choice
Instead of Hidden Valley (salad dressing) → Try Renee’s, Kraft (Canadian-made varieties)
Instead of Tabasco (hot sauce) → Try Dawson's, Piri Piri by PC, No Name hot sauce
Baking Products
Instead of Pillsbury (flour, baking mixes) → Try Robin Hood, Five Roses, Compliments
Instead of Betty Crocker (cake mixes) → Try President’s Choice, No Name
Instead of Hershey’s (chocolate chips) → Try Camino, Laura Secord, PC chocolate chips
Instead of Domino (sugar) → Try Redpath (Canadian brand)
Frozen Foods
Instead of Green Giant (vegetables) → Try Arctic Gardens, Compliments, No Name
Instead of Stouffer’s (frozen meals) → Try President’s Choice, M&M Food Market
Instead of Eggo (waffles) → Try Nature’s Path, President’s Choice
Instead of DiGiorno (frozen pizza) → Try Dr. Oetker (some made in Canada), President’s Choice
Coffee & Tea
Instead of Starbucks → Try Tim Hortons, Second Cup, Van Houtte
Instead of Folgers → Try Nabob, Kicking Horse Coffee
Instead of Lipton (tea) → Try Red Rose, Tetley (some products Canadian-made)
Instead of Nestlé (coffee creamers) → Try International Delight (Canadian-made), Beatrice creamers
Personal Care Products (found at grocery stores)
Instead of Colgate (toothpaste) → Try Green Beaver, Tom’s of Maine (some Canadian-made)
Instead of Dove (soap, shampoo) → Try Live Clean, The Green Beaver Company
Instead of Head & Shoulders → Try Attitude, The Unscented Company
Instead of Gillette (razors, shaving cream) → Try Schick (some Canadian-made), Personna
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Trump now saying that there's nothing that Canada or Mexico can do to avoid tariffs, and that the EU is next. What a f***ing clown show. Dude doesn't even know what a tariff is or how it works.
If there's a positive to any of this crap, it's that the rest of the world is now becoming united against the USA. If America wants to be completely isolated, self-sufficient, and cut off from the rest of the globe, then have at it. The rest of the world can hopefully work together and find ways to move forward without them.
Canada has done nothing to strengthen relationships outside of the US. Europeans were practically begging us to build the infrastructure so we can export our energy to them... and we shrugged our shoulders and continued selling it to the US at a discount because of our lack of infrastructure.
Hopefully this is the wakeup call and we form a renewed partnership with democratic countries like Japan, Korea, and the EU.
Trump now saying that there's nothing that Canada or Mexico can do to avoid tariffs, and that the EU is next. What a f***ing clown show. Dude doesn't even know what a tariff is or how it works.
If there's a positive to any of this crap, it's that the rest of the world is now becoming united against the USA. If America wants to be completely isolated, self-sufficient, and cut off from the rest of the globe, then have at it. The rest of the world can hopefully work together and find ways to move forward without them.
Its why I don’t think this will get far. He needs both houses, and has slim control. It will eventually become hard for him to do much of anything I believe in near future when the Republicans save their skin over his. It hasn’t happened yet because frankly polls are in Trump favor. If he brings recession in, and polls sink, he’ll get turned out quick.
Then mid terms will see him lose both to the Dems. He’ll be tied up in the courts until his time is up.
Its a plausible scenario. One I hope is soon to come.
If we could get our oil to tidewater this would be a legitimate strategy & give us a lot more negotiating room to work with. Alas we have done exactly the opposite and put all of our eggs into the "America will always help us out" basket. Oops!
Can we put some barrels in the blackhawks patrolling the border? They’re flying around, might as well do something useful
