[Trade] Frost + Farabee from PHI to CGY for Pelletier + Kuzmenko + 25 2nd + 28 7th

[Claes]

Originally Posted by Buff

Craig Conroy is a deal maker. He gets deals done. How many times did we hear about his predecessor being in on a deal but it just didn't happen? You'll hear that about all GMs but it was getting tiring to hear that the Flames were in on all these players but the price was too prohibitive. Yet, here we are, Conroy finds himself in a position to put his own stamp on the team and he identifies what he needs to do and he makes it happen.



He won't hit homeruns on every deal but he makes deals.

Maybe Conroys outgoing and positive personality helps him make deals happen. Could be an underrated ability to have in a GM.

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[getbak]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

Wonder what number Frost and Farabee will wear. 48 and 86 aren't usually veteran player type numbers.

It looks like Frost has worn 16 in Junior, 26 at the World Juniors, and 23 in the AHL, so he'll probably be open to anything. Farabee wore 28 in College.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Both Farabee and Frost have been rather sheltered in their roles their careers at 5v5. And this year have struggled.

Let's hope that's a system issue and the Flames coaches can put them in a good spot to succeed.

Neither have hit their breakout age yet either, so that's good! Still room for growth!

I don’t know much about either of them but I did notice Farabee when the Flames played the Flyers.

Kuzmenko was essentially a healthy scratch for us and that didn’t look like it was going to change. Pelletier never really gained traction after his injuries. Looked like he was trending towards being a 3/4 line winger that killed penalties.

In return we got back a 24 and 25 year old both with 5 to 6 years of experience in the league. From what I read Frost was Philly’s 1C at times but probably shouldn’t have been. Sounds like good on faceoffs too.

So we traded a guy that wasn’t going to be resigned and a bit part players for two young starters on of which is a center. Can’t wait to see them in the lineup but I think this will be a great trade for the Flames. Didn’t move our cap that much either. Maybe a $1 million bump.

[Claes]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

It's an interesting trade. The only way to justify it from the Flyers perspective is that they get out of Farabees contract. I understand the player is young, but he's not playing up to his contract. Add to this that the player did not jive with Torts and you can see how the trade makes sense for the flyers too.



- Improve dressing room by removing two players struggling with Torts

- Being in Pelletier who will bring a ton of energy, is super affordable and is only 23

- Get out of an overpriced contract in Farabee to free up cap space that can be redeployed

- give kuzmenko a try out in hopes it gives Michkov a boost



The flames did great, upgrading their roster and adding two, young, 2-way players. And cap space isn't a constraint for the Flames.



I think it's a decent trade for both teams and could be a win-win.

Wouldn't surprise me if Kuzmenko goes on a tear playing with Michkov and gets re-signed.

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[devo22]

until Zary is healthy:

Huberdeau - Kadri - Pospisil
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Farabee - Frost - Sharangovich
Lomberg - Rooney - Klapka

once Zary is healthy:

Huberdeau - Kadri - Sharangovich
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Zary - Frost - Farabee
Lomberg - Pospisil - Klapka

or maybe Lomberg - Rooney - Pospisil as the 4th line. Could simply put Zary with Huberdeau and Kadri as well. Either way, I like that top 9 depth a lot ... definitely a deeper offense now than it was yesterday.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Both Farabee and Frost have been rather sheltered in their roles their careers at 5v5. And this year have struggled.

Let's hope that's a system issue and the Flames coaches can put them in a good spot to succeed.

Neither have hit their breakout age yet either, so that's good! Still room for growth!

I don't think they've been that sheltered actually.

According to JFresh card Farabee was 60th percentile for competition and Frost was in 42nd percentile.

So not playing against top lines but I wouldn't say heavily sheltered either.

Farabee's struggles this year seem entirely shooting percentage related, his average at 5v5 the 4 years before this were ~14% and this year it's ~7%. Classic buy low opportunity that's helped by the fact the coach doesn't like him and he's making $5M.

Frost is PDO case this year...he's over 54% xGF at 5v5 this year but has an actual GF% of 44%. His on ice shooting isn't even that bad at 9.9% but he has a .883 save percentage at 5v5, tough to look good when you can't get a save

[Salt Water Cowboy #10]

I like the trade! Gives the Flames a bit of time before the deadline to see if they’ve improved. If they have, no pressure to upgrade at the deadline. If they haven’t, they could make more moves for the future at the deadline. And these players have some value if they need to be flipped. Conroy is doing a great job of tinkering but still keeping his options open.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Claes

Maybe Conroys outgoing and positive personality helps him make deals happen. Could be an underrated ability to have in a GM.

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Totally agree. He has that perfect blend. For someone like me he is the type of person you enjoy to work with.

[Yeah_Baby]

What did Naz say that worried the other poster?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by devo22

until Zary is healthy:

Huberdeau - Kadri - Pospisil
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Farabee - Frost - Sharangovich
Lomberg - Rooney - Klapka

once Zary is healthy:

Huberdeau - Kadri - Sharangovich
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Zary - Frost - Farabee
Lomberg - Pospisil - Klapka

or maybe Lomberg - Rooney - Pospisil as the 4th line. Could simply put Zary with Huberdeau and Kadri as well. Either way, I like that top 9 depth a lot ... definitely a deeper offense now than it was yesterday.

We can't abandon the Zary at C. Need to keep him up the middle, probably just waive Rooney and use Backlund as the 4th line C .

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by devo22

until Zary is healthy:

Huberdeau - Kadri - Pospisil
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Farabee - Frost - Sharangovich
Lomberg - Rooney - Klapka

once Zary is healthy:

Huberdeau - Kadri - Sharangovich
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Zary - Frost - Farabee
Lomberg - Pospisil - Klapka

or maybe Lomberg - Rooney - Pospisil as the 4th line. Could simply put Zary with Huberdeau and Kadri as well. Either way, I like that top 9 depth a lot ... definitely a deeper offense now than it was yesterday.

I'd rather keep Zary at centre and push Backlund down the depth chart.

Kadri can stay #1 C for now, Frost and Zary can fight over 2/3 and imagine an always steady Backlund centering a defesnively responsible fourth line with some offensive upside. That's some decent depth, baby!

Not sure how that might ripple through the lines...someone smarter than me can maybe give it a go!

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don't think they've been that sheltered actually.

According to JFresh card Farabee was 60th percentile for competition and Frost was in 42nd percentile.

So not playing against top lines but I wouldn't say heavily sheltered either.

Farabee's struggles this year seem entirely shooting percentage related, his average at 5v5 the 4 years before this were ~14% and this year it's ~7%. Classic buy low opportunity that's helped by the fact the coach doesn't like him and he's making $5M.

Frost is PDO case this year...he's over 54% xGF at 5v5 this year but has an actual GF% of 44%. His on ice shooting isn't even that bad at 9.9% but he has a .883 save percentage at 5v5, tough to look good when you can't get a save

Frost is scoring at a .51 pace this year, last year he was at .58 and the year before at .56, so he's doing alright with less ice time than he had the last couple of years. The PDO metric might suggest he could take the next step, but he's either just a little snake bitten or Torts is in his head and he's not feeling as confident.

I'm curious in the long term to see him with Coronato. He seems to have exceptional vision, but can also finish in tight.

Maybe not this year, as I like Coronato developing with Backlund and Coleman, but they could mesh well.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by devo22

until Zary is healthy:

Huberdeau - Kadri - Pospisil
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Farabee - Frost - Sharangovich
Lomberg - Rooney - Klapka

once Zary is healthy:

Huberdeau - Kadri - Sharangovich
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Zary - Frost - Farabee
Lomberg - Pospisil - Klapka

or maybe Lomberg - Rooney - Pospisil as the 4th line. Could simply put Zary with Huberdeau and Kadri as well. Either way, I like that top 9 depth a lot ... definitely a deeper offense now than it was yesterday.

Sans Zary:

10-91-43
20-11-27
Farabee-Frost-17
70-21-76

With Zary:

10-91-17
20-11-27
Farabee-Frost-47
70-76-43

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We can't abandon the Zary at C. Need to keep him up the middle, probably just waive Rooney and use Backlund as the 4th line C .

I get it. But if I'm Huska, there's no way I'm breaking up the Coleman-Backlund-Coronato line. And yeah, he's getting older, but Backlund is not a 4th line center at this point.

With Kadri, Backlund and Frost all being natural centers and Zary working well on the wing before, I just wouldn't overcomplicate things right now. I can definitely see them push Backlund down next year and pencil in Zary at C then, though.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

What did Naz say that worried the other poster?

I haven't seen anything yet so I'm assuming that because Naz dropped the gloves with Farabee in 2022 the other poster is worried that they won't get along.

Jarome Iginla dropped the gloves with Craig Conroy at one time too.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don't think they've been that sheltered actually.

According to JFresh card Farabee was 60th percentile for competition and Frost was in 42nd percentile.

So not playing against top lines but I wouldn't say heavily sheltered either.

Farabee's struggles this year seem entirely shooting percentage related, his average at 5v5 the 4 years before this were ~14% and this year it's ~7%. Classic buy low opportunity that's helped by the fact the coach doesn't like him and he's making $5M.

Frost is PDO case this year...he's over 54% xGF at 5v5 this year but has an actual GF% of 44%. His on ice shooting isn't even that bad at 9.9% but he has a .883 save percentage at 5v5, tough to look good when you can't get a save

For sure, but Frost starts a significant amount of time in the offensive zone. So his xGF should be on the highside. Farabee less so, but still starts most of his shifts in the offensive zone over defensive.

Young, so it makes sense they would be, but Coronato is already a better defensive and possession player than either of them.

[rogermexico]

Pushing Pospisil down to that 4C spot and having him do well there would solve a whole lot of problems for this team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Claes

Wouldn't surprise me if Kuzmenko goes on a tear playing with Michkov and gets re-signed.

Yup.

Followed by years of regret.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by rogermexico

Pushing Pospisil down to that 4C spot and having him do well there would solve a whole lot of problems for this team.

Plus Lomberg - Pospisil - Klapka is not a fun line to play against, but also with Pospisil and Klapka there is some offensive skill there too.

Could be a bit of a matchup nightmare for other 4th lines with their combination of size, speed, grit, and skill.

[rogermexico]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Plus Lomberg - Pospisil - Klapka is not a fun line to play against, but also with Pospisil and Klapka there is some offensive skill there too.

Could be a bit of a matchup nightmare for other 4th lines with their combination of size, speed, grit, and skill.

I'm out of thanks but yeah, I love the sound of that for a fourth line.