2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol@all the experts that told us this was a bottom 5 team now scolding us that they are worse next year. I dont see it. Team has a lot of quality players in the system and will add more. Plus Wolf with a better backup.

Thing is success in the NHL is a pretty fine line so it can go both ways.

The best teams in the NHL generally have around 55% xGF and the worst generally have 45% xGF. So it's generally a toss up.

I'm not sure I see a bottom 5 pick as long as Wolf is healthy and playing 55 games (you have to be BAD to pick bottom 5) but the difference between 6th OV pick and where the Flames sit now is .470 vs .573 that difference season to season isn't that remarkable.

Much like this year I expect it will be a team that could be picking anywhere from 6th OV to 18th OV or something like that, and think I said something similar to that coming into this season too.

[Two Fivenagame]

Yeah the team reminds me of the Phoenix Coyotes. Never completely terrible, full of players I never heard of, but somehow flirt with a playoff position most years.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol@all the experts that told us this was a bottom 5 team now scolding us that they are worse next year. I dont see it. Team has a lot of quality players in the system and will add more. Plus Wolf with a better backup.

You were mostly banging on that the forwards were the same or better than last year and they aren’t. Flames are bottom five in GF. The defense has been better than expected and then there is Wolf who is propping up the entire team. If he has a sophomore slump then a top ten pick is in the cards next year.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol@all the experts that told us this was a bottom 5 team now scolding us that they are worse next year. I dont see it. Team has a lot of quality players in the system and will add more. Plus Wolf with a better backup.

The veteran 6 on this team make up 6 of their top 8 scorers and it is tough to say this team is for sure going to be better when many of their top players are past their prime.

Flames have been a frustrating bunch over the last decade where they often miss expectations by a sizable amount one way or the other. When was the last time this team lived up to the hype? 2016 when many had them regressing after their surprise run of 2015?

2015 surprised and made it
2016 bottom 5
2017 bounce back to the playoffs
2018 miss playoffs after making big adds the previous off season
2019 win the division and finish 1st in the west
2020 back on the bubble
2021 on the wrong side of the bubble (we’re a favorite in the Canadian division)
2022 win the division
2023 miss playoffs (many had them as a contender)
2024 bottom 10 (many had them bouncing back)
2025 on the bubble (many had them bottom 5)

[dammage79]

Colorado was an up and down team while they were drafting MacKinnon and their big pieces. Consistency is certainly not linear when it comes to year to year performance. And they move big name players all the time to keep things from locking up. Recency included.

If there's a model to follow it should be somewhat akin to Colorado.

That said, odds of Landing a MaKinnon are very low. But I think it's the right idea.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

You were mostly banging on that the forwards were the same or better than last year and they aren’t. Flames are bottom five in GF. The defense has been better than expected and then there is Wolf who is propping up the entire team. If he has a sophomore slump then a top ten pick is in the cards next year.

Forwards were good last season by comparison?? Forward depth is better this year and its not all about goals

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Forwards were good last season by comparison?? Forward depth is better this year and its not all about goals

You are forgetting which posters you are arguing with here. If the Flames suddenly acquired MacKinnon and Makar those posters would still be saying the team will suck and they should rebuild. I am curious what negative direction they would go to if the team did fully rebuild and become a contender.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Forwards were good last season by comparison?? Forward depth is better this year and its not all about goals

They sure aren’t the reason the team is at where it is at. All I am saying is if you are going to pat yourself on the back then at least acknowledge you were more lucky than right.

[robertsfanatic]

Trades or rumours?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are forgetting which posters you are arguing with here. If the Flames suddenly acquired MacKinnon and Makar those posters would still be saying the team will suck and they should rebuild. I am curious what negative direction they would go to if the team did fully rebuild and become a contender.

lol from a guy who irrationally hates the coach and thought Kuzmenko was a 100 point player. I am not even that negative. I just hope they don’t stupid stuff to compete this season and let it ride.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are forgetting which posters you are arguing with here. If the Flames suddenly acquired MacKinnon and Makar those posters would still be saying the team will suck and they should rebuild. I am curious what negative direction they would go to if the team did fully rebuild and become a contender.

Who is negative. People just want a good team that is competing every year for a shot at the cup. It’s not going to happen overnight by shipping out picks for immediate help.

People just want some patience.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are forgetting which posters you are arguing with here. If the Flames suddenly acquired MacKinnon and Makar those posters would still be saying the team will suck and they should rebuild. I am curious what negative direction they would go to if the team did fully rebuild and become a contender.

This is all in your head.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Who is having an off year? We need the cap space to sign our own players as well.

I would suggest that Yegor being on pace for 36 point pace over 82 games is having an off year. I sure hope he is given what they are paying him. Second worst PPG of his career.

Kuzmenko sure ain’t having a good year, would have to say it is an off year for him.

Hope always springs eternal that the Flames will start losing after a loss. Thankfully they usually respond with another win. Big game against the Caps to start a new winning streak.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They sure aren’t the reason the team is at where it is at. All I am saying is if you are going to pat yourself on the back then at least acknowledge you were more lucky than right.

Lol what? I promise you I didnt say they would score a ton

Roster has good depth but no top end was my angle and I stick by it. Im certainly not missing Lindholm

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would suggest that Yegor being on pace for 36 point pace over 82 games is having an off year. I sure hope he is given what they are paying him. Second worst PPG of his career.

Kuzmenko sure ain’t having a good year, would have to say it is an off year for him.

Hope always springs eternal that the Flames will start losing after a loss. Thankfully they usually respond with another win. Big game against the Caps to start a new winning streak.

Zary and Coronato have made up for the loss of offence for Kuzmenko I don’t think anyone had them at 50 point paces.

I know rebuilding is really difficult for you and you want to see the team swim in mediocrity forever.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The veteran 6 on this team make up 6 of their top 8 scorers and it is tough to say this team is for sure going to be better when many of their top players are past their prime.

Flames have been a frustrating bunch over the last decade where they often miss expectations by a sizable amount one way or the other. When was the last time this team lived up to the hype? 2016 when many had them regressing after their surprise run of 2015?

2015 surprised and made it
2016 bottom 5
2017 bounce back to the playoffs
2018 miss playoffs after making big adds the previous off season
2019 win the division and finish 1st in the west
2020 back on the bubble
2021 on the wrong side of the bubble (we’re a favorite in the Canadian division)
2022 win the division
2023 miss playoffs (many had them as a contender)
2024 bottom 10 (many had them bouncing back)
2025 on the bubble (many had them bottom 5)

Appreciate the research, but not sure how the last decade is relevant to today’s team. Next year, there will be only three players (and maybe less) that were on that 2023 team. Might as well just pick the 10 year results from some other random team.

It’s a completely different group, with a completely different coaching system, with a completely different prospect base and a completely different management team (and a COMPLETELY different goalie).

They could regress next year, but they are more likely to take a step forward.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Appreciate the research, but not sure how the last decade is relevant to today’s team. Next year, there will be only three players (and maybe less) that were on that 2023 team. Might as well just pick the 10 year results from some other random team.

It’s a completely different group, with a completely different coaching system, with a completely different prospect base and a completely different management team (and a COMPLETELY different goalie).

They could regress next year, but they are more likely to take a step forward.

Not enough turnover (87%).

Blow it up!

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Who is having an off year? We need the cap space to sign our own players as well.

All of the defense. Kuzmenko, Sharangovich, Coleman.

And what Coronato and Zary are going to regress that much from .55 ppg? I think they could hit .7-.8

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by DJones

All of the defense. Kuzmenko, Sharangovich, Coleman.

And what Coronato and Zary are going to regress that much from .55 ppg? I think they could hit .7-.8

They are all on career averages. Pachal has a career high 2 goals and matches his point total of 6. Did you expect everyone to play to their career year numbers ?

Coleman has 30 goals last year and Weegar had 20. That wasn’t going to happen again and they are back to their career averages.

Sharangovich yes. Kuzmenko was always a wild card.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by DJones

All of the defense. Kuzmenko, Sharangovich, Coleman.

And what Coronato and Zary are going to regress that much from .55 ppg? I think they could hit .7-.8

Coleman is having a career avg ppg season at the age of 33. Thats not a down year, last season was not the norm for him.

Also probably all the defense are having about career avg seasons except for Andersson points wise.