Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Oh no, someone you disagree with made a claim from a Federal body so of course it must be misinformation in your view.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...017394-eng.htm

He tends to lie often, so my first instinct is to assume it's a lie. That's his flaw, not mine.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He tends to lie often, so my first instinct is to assume it's a lie. That's his flaw, not mine.

No, it is your flaw. You are so blinded by your political belief (actually hatred).

[Fuzz]

So I should trust him more, despite his lies?

[evman150]

Originally Posted by Azure

I think our leaders are just basically but morons who have no clue what they're doing.

Just because people have a different set of priorities or values from you, or a different worldview, does not make them "morons".

Your continual rhetoric in this thread is divisive, derisive, base, and likely works contrary to the goals you have in posting: everybody who agrees with you simply nods; everybody who could possibly be convinced looks at your comments and thinks, "man, what's up with this guy?"

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So I should trust him more, despite his lies?

You can try to stop being such a hack and look things up instead.

Originally Posted by evman150

Just because people have a different set of priorities or values from you, or a different worldview, does not make them "morons".

Your continual rhetoric in this thread is divisive, derisive, base, and likely works contrary to the goals you have in posting: everybody who agrees with you simply nods; everybody who could possibly be convinced looks at your comments and thinks, "man, what's up with this guy?"

Did you mean to address this to Fuzz?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

You can try to stop being such a hack and look things up instead.



Did you mean to address this to Fuzz?

You’re obsessed.

[calgarygeologist]

It seems like the Government of Ontario is spending a fair bit of money advertising their trade relationship with the US on American networks. It's a shame that they have abandoned the "Team Canada" approach.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It seems like the Government of Ontario is spending a fair bit of money advertising their trade relationship with the US on American networks. It's a shame that they have abandoned the "Team Canada" approach.

It is, Canada was very effective at dealing with Trump last time. The same playbook should be followed.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It seems like the Government of Ontario is spending a fair bit of money advertising their trade relationship with the US on American networks. It's a shame that they have abandoned the "Team Canada" approach.

Ford takes the quickest and easiest buck every time.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Slava

Danielle Smith and her Neville Chamberlain impression can be shelved anytime for me. Next thing you know she’ll be advocating that just give the US 200 miles North from the US border to keep them happy.

Just stating facts, she has never advocated caving to the US. She has advocated to give Trump a win. From what I recall its offering to expedite NATO funding in exchange for tariff pause.

Then Trump can get on stage a crow bout how he finally got Canada to ante up like they always wanted.

she seems afraid that a trade war with the US will crush us. I frankly agree with her. We need more of this type of diplomacy and less Trudeau and Ford asking us to finger Trump with them.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Just stating facts, she has never advocated caving to the US. She has advocated to give Trump a win. From what I recall its offering to expedite NATO funding in exchange for tariff pause.

Then Trump can get on stage a crow bout how he finally got Canada to ante up like they always wanted.

she seems afraid that a trade war with the US will crush us. I frankly agree with her. We need more of this type of diplomacy and less Trudeau and Ford asking us to finger Trump with them.

Many of this active posters here are pretty leftist. That's why they assume that a Trump "win" equates to a Canada "loss". That's the zero-sum way of thinking that is the (erroneous) basis of leftist economic thinking.

Smith understands that if Trump wins Canada can also win - and win bigly.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Just stating facts, she has never advocated caving to the US. She has advocated to give Trump a win. From what I recall its offering to expedite NATO funding in exchange for tariff pause.

Has she brought up NATO funding? I don’t disagree with that and thought it was the most sensible move because they could put some of the border defence spending into that but I just recall smith saying we should open up dairy imports and things of that nature.

Then Trump can get on stage a crow bout how he finally got Canada to ante up like they always wanted.

That’s how you deal with people like him.

she seems afraid that a trade war with the US will crush us. I frankly agree with her. We need more of this type of diplomacy and less Trudeau and Ford asking us to finger Trump with them.

A trade war would be devastating but it’s important to remember to be cautious as to not just cave because otherwise there isn’t much stopping him from asking for more down the road. The US has way more leverage over Canada which is why I keep saying smith needs to use that as leverage over the other provinces to change their positions on helping our industries.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Just stating facts, she has never advocated caving to the US. She has advocated to give Trump a win. From what I recall its offering to expedite NATO funding in exchange for tariff pause.

Then Trump can get on stage a crow bout how he finally got Canada to ante up like they always wanted.

she seems afraid that a trade war with the US will crush us. I frankly agree with her. We need more of this type of diplomacy and less Trudeau and Ford asking us to finger Trump with them.

Right, she’s advocating appeasement as opposed to meeting him head on. And make no mistake, I think everyone knows that a 25% tariff on Canadian products is devastating to the economy. Smith knows that, and she’s fighting for one industry (oil and gas) while seemingly conceding that agriculture, among others, will just get smashed.

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Many of this active posters here are pretty leftist. That's why they assume that a Trump "win" equates to a Canada "loss". That's the zero-sum way of thinking that is the (erroneous) basis of leftist economic thinking.

Smith understands that if Trump wins Canada can also win - and win bigly.

This has nothing to do with being “leftist”, which I don’t think I am. Trump is openly talking about using economic force to have us annexed. A Trump win, is a Canada loss in that context, by definition. Some posters here are cool with that and fall into that roughy 13% of Canadians who would love to be part of the US.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Many of this active posters here are pretty leftist. That's why they assume that a Trump "win" equates to a Canada "loss". That's the zero-sum way of thinking that is the (erroneous) basis of leftist economic thinking.

Left, right, up, down, remind me again which direction makes all the right decisions?

Is it the one that calls everyone a socialist while trying to pretend that capitalism will provide us with a utopian society where everyone will magically have equal opportunities?

In all seriousness Bo, you make some decent points at times but you gotta pull your head out of this left/right, socialism/capitalism, conservative/liberal tribalism rabbit hole you’ve fallen into.

Smith understands that if Trump wins Canada can also win - and win bigly.

Yeah at this point I think we’re all aware that you think she’s brilliant, your position kinda loses a bit of credibility though when use use words like bigly.

[Roughneck]

Significantly increase government spending in response to threatened trade in the hope things stay the same = win bigly (sorry, can win bigly, because where would we be without weasel words)?


This is the brilliant economic maneuvering of the right?

[Harry Lime]

How is there a path to winning bigly?

[opendoor]

Another new poll came out today, this time from Mainstreet which has some interesting numbers that might suggest that the Conservatives' lead is shrinking. Technically it was for the Ontario provincial election, but they also asked federal vote intention as part of that and the results were:

36% - Liberal
34% - Conservative
11% - NDP
4% - Green
2% - PPC
11% - Undecided

High undecided number, but the Liberals are still leading and the breakdown is actually very similar to the Ontario numbers in the EKOS polls that have shown the Liberals within single digits nationally.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

How is there a path to winning bigly?

We win big (ly), if we get Trump to rescind his threat to impose tariffs. In order to do that, we have to find out what we have to do, or give, in order to make that happen. Perhaps things like moving the date up to restart renegotiating the USMCA, raise out military spending to 2% of GDP much sooner (we are going to have to do that at some time anyway). help guarantee North American energy independence, etc. In that manner, Trump would be able to have his WIN, and we would keep our jobs, protect our economy, and make us more secure.

If all efforts fail, retaliate in a way that makes sense. That's all we can do.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Another new poll came out today, this time from Mainstreet which has some interesting numbers that might suggest that the Conservatives' lead is shrinking. Technically it was for the Ontario provincial election, but they also asked federal vote intention as part of that and the results were:

36% - Liberal
34% - Conservative
11% - NDP
4% - Green
2% - PPC
11% - Undecided

High undecided number, but the Liberals are still leading and the breakdown is actually very similar to the Ontario numbers in the EKOS polls that have shown the Liberals within single digits nationally.

You mean they aren't guaranteed to win all 473 seats?

[GioforPM]

People keep giving Trump wins in the hopes that'll be it. But it never is.