Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by direwolf

This one made me laugh, lol.

Fairly accurate depiction of the situation

[puffnstuff]

Why investigate twitter? Because bad actors, like their owner, use it for things like this

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cbc-a...heme-1.7439812

And it will only get worse and involve politics/election info

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well. Look. I'm not a World-renowned international Economist, well...I mean, I might be, but that probably wouldnt be for good reasons and I'd prefer it if nobody told them where I am...

Anyways.

As I've said before I think Drumpf there might have been trying to rattle a few cages and using the 'Tariff Scare' to do it and then he figures he'd put the icing on the cake with this 51st State BS.

Fact is? I dont believe a word Drumpf the Clown says. However, he does have enough people around him that I do think he's trying to soften up an opponent for another concession somewhere else.

What that might be? I do not know. I have a few theories but thats just me extrapolating theories from incomplete information, which, is something I'm quite good at, but its never perfect.

And then we have the ackowledge the perpetual 'Elephant in the Room.'

Trump is generally batcrap nuts. He could do something pathologically insane.

He can. Thats never off the Table.

I couldn't agree more.

IMO I think what all the bluster from Trump is about renegotiating things like the USMCA, and shortening up the time to get to the 2% of our GDP for military spending.

It's almost humorous to see how almost all of our politicians falling for his BS. Ford trying to act like a "Captain Canada", and Trudeau trying to look like a staunch defender of our Country with his "We'll hard bargain with everything on the table".

Sure, if Trump follows through with his threat of tariffs, both countries will suffer, but Canada will come out the biggest loser. So, it doesn't make sense to react in such a childish and bravado manner. To do so, is just "poking the bear".

Trump initially said he would put tariffs on, IF we didn't stop the flow of migrants, and drugs into the US from Canada. So, I think we should have just focused on satisfying that, and not overreacted.

just my opinion

[Azure]

Why does he want to renegotiate USMCA? It was his deal.

As for military spending, our military is in shambles, and our presence in the Arctic is going to be a big deal in the next 50 years, so the US has a point there that we need to be able to meet our obligations.

We should be stopping the flow of migrants & drugs anyways. And we should diversify our economy anyways, including our ability to export to the entire world, not just the US. Fact is we have 75 years of politicians acting like morons that has brought us to this point.

And Doug Ford doesn't give two ####s about the rest of Canada. His province is $400b in debt and he's sending our free money to get re-elected. Ontario is the biggest issue when it comes to reducing interprovincial trade barriers, and he's been in power long enough that its fair to directly blame him for it. But oh rah rah he's so tough with his fancy Canada's Not For Sale hat. What a joke.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I couldn't agree more.

IMO I think what all the bluster from Trump is about renegotiating things like the USMCA, and shortening up the time to get to the 2% of our GDP for military spending.

It's almost humorous to see how almost all of our politicians falling for his BS. Ford trying to act like a "Captain Canada", and Trudeau trying to look like a staunch defender of our Country with his "We'll hard bargain with everything on the table".

Sure, if Trump follows through with his threat of tariffs, both countries will suffer, but Canada will come out the biggest loser. So, it doesn't make sense to react in such a childish and bravado manner. To do so, is just "poking the bear".

Trump initially said he would put tariffs on, IF we didn't stop the flow of migrants, and drugs into the US from Canada. So, I think we should have just focused on satisfying that, and not overreacted.

just my opinion

So what, we just pretend we are fighting ghosts? These aren't real issues. We've been over the numbers. It's bull####. If anyone should be fixing their crime problem at the border, it's the US flooding our country with illegal guns that end up killing Canadians. If he wants to start talking border problems, lets talk border problems.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I couldn't agree more.

IMO I think what all the bluster from Trump is about renegotiating things like the USMCA, and shortening up the time to get to the 2% of our GDP for military spending.

It's almost humorous to see how almost all of our politicians falling for his BS. Ford trying to act like a "Captain Canada", and Trudeau trying to look like a staunch defender of our Country with his "We'll hard bargain with everything on the table".

Sure, if Trump follows through with his threat of tariffs, both countries will suffer, but Canada will come out the biggest loser. So, it doesn't make sense to react in such a childish and bravado manner. To do so, is just "poking the bear".

Trump initially said he would put tariffs on, IF we didn't stop the flow of migrants, and drugs into the US from Canada. So, I think we should have just focused on satisfying that, and not overreacted.

just my opinion

You called the responses childish and bravodo, and not Trump?
The different lens people use to judge Trump vs the politicians who have to respond to him is mind blowing.
He can get away with anything and you only deploy expectations or standards to everyone else.
What a time we are in.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You called the responses childish and bravodo, and not Trump?
The different lens people use to judge Trump vs the politicians who have to respond to him is mind blowing.
He can get away with anything and you only deploy expectations or standards to everyone else.
What a time we are in.

No kidding. Let's be real here. The only child in this scenario is Trump. The rest of us (Canada, Mexico, Greenland/Denmark) are responding like normal, mature, intelligent adults as we should be. None of these countries have overreacted in any way, shape or form. Bending the knee and just doing whatever Trump wants is not the right approach to any of this.

I read an interview with Smith yesterday where she said we have to give Trump a win. Really?? This f***ing lunatic assclown is threatening our economy and our sovereignty, and you just want to hand over your lunch money to the bully and take it up the a ass, no questions asked? Good grief.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by direwolf

No kidding. Let's be real here. The only child in this scenario is Trump. The rest of us (Canada, Mexico, Greenland/Denmark) are responding like normal, mature, intelligent adults as we should be. None of these countries have overreacted in any way, shape or form. Bending the knee and just doing whatever Trump wants is not the right approach to any of this.

I read an interview with Smith yesterday where she said we have to give Trump a win. Really?? This f***ing lunatic assclown is threatening our economy and our sovereignty, and you just want to hand over your lunch money to the bully and take it up the a ass, no questions asked? Good grief.

Do you think cutting off the electricity to the US was a normal, mature and intelligent response? Even SNL treated it as a joke.

And Smith probably has worked harder and more effective for Alberta and Canada than anyone else. Take your ignorant language somewhere else.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by direwolf

No kidding. Let's be real here. The only child in this scenario is Trump. The rest of us (Canada, Mexico, Greenland/Denmark) are responding like normal, mature, intelligent adults as we should be. None of these countries have overreacted in any way, shape or form. Bending the knee and just doing whatever Trump wants is not the right approach to any of this.

I read an interview with Smith yesterday where she said we have to give Trump a win. Really?? This f***ing lunatic assclown is threatening our economy and our sovereignty, and you just want to hand over your lunch money to the bully and take it up the a ass, no questions asked? Good grief.

Your emotional reaction is exactly what Trump wants.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So what, we just pretend we are fighting ghosts? These aren't real issues. We've been over the numbers. It's bull####. If anyone should be fixing their crime problem at the border, it's the US flooding our country with illegal guns that end up killing Canadians. If he wants to start talking border problems, lets talk border problems.

The whole border thing is just a pretense for him to impose economic pressure and assert control over Canada. Trump has been talking about tariffs since the 1990s and it was only recently that he has tied fentanyl and migrants into the equation. And like you said, the numbers are pretty insignificant especially when you consider the amount of contraband that enters Canada through the U.S. The U.S. trade deficit with Canada, which is about $40 billion, not $200 billion like he keeps saying, is mainly because the U.S. is a wealthier country with 10x more people, therefore they buy more stuff than Canadians. It also ignores that the low prices they pay for Canadian products allows them to sell American products at a greater surplus to other countries.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Do you think cutting off the electricity to the US was a normal, mature and intelligent response? Even SNL treated it as a joke.

And Smith probably has worked harder and more effective for Alberta and Canada than anyone else. Take your ignorant language somewhere else.

Yeah? What did Smith accomplish on vacation?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You called the responses childish and bravodo, and not Trump?
The different lens people use to judge Trump vs the politicians who have to respond to him is mind blowing.
He can get away with anything and you only deploy expectations or standards to everyone else.
What a time we are in.

I dont think that was really the true context.

Its a childish maneuver and simple tactic, but people in charge of other countries should see right through it and thus it shouldnt work, but it is working because the people in charge are buying it.

Nothing to do with Drumpf being a child, we know that already, its about acquiescing to childish tactics.

[Azure]

Also, while Trump has certainly been childish or immature, I think our leaders are just basically but morons who have no clue what they're doing.

We're a few weeks into this thing already. Has even one actual policy or plan been put on the table on how to diversify our oil / gas exports? You'd think they'd actually you know, do something besides wearing stupid hats, patting themselves on the back for calling a press conference, and licking Trump's bootstraps (in the case of Smith).

But its all pretty thin on actionable long-term thinking. To be expected I guess considering we are where we are because of those same idiots and a long list of idiots before them.

Yesterday the states diverted LNG shipments from Asia to Europe because they can make a much bigger profit.

But remember folks, "there is no business case for LNG."

[Azure]

PP said on an interview on CTV that StatsCan is saying Canada has effectively a 7% tariff between provinces. I can't find any sources on this but I'm not a very good StatsCan searcher?

Because of that were true, what on earth.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

PP said on an interview on CTV that StatsCan is saying Canada has effectively a 7% tariff between provinces. I can't find any sources on this but I'm not a very good StatsCan searcher?

Because of that were true, what on earth.

I'm gonna stop you right there...

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The whole border thing is just a pretense for him to impose economic pressure and assert control over Canada. Trump has been talking about tariffs since the 1990s and it was only recently that he has tied fentanyl and migrants into the equation. And like you said, the numbers are pretty insignificant especially when you consider the amount of contraband that enters Canada through the U.S. The U.S. trade deficit with Canada, which is about $40 billion, not $200 billion like he keeps saying, is mainly because the U.S. is a wealthier country with 10x more people, therefore they buy more stuff than Canadians. It also ignores that the low prices they pay for Canadian products allows them to sell American products at a greater surplus to other countries.

Legally he can't impose tariffs under USMCA, which is why he's calling it a security emergency at the border. Using this pretext he can do what he really wants which in his mind is to raise billions of dollars from tariffs and to encourage businesses to relocate to or invest in the US. The border, at least on the Canadian side, is a necessary red herring.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Do you think cutting off the electricity to the US was a normal, mature and intelligent response? Even SNL treated it as a joke.

And Smith probably has worked harder and more effective for Alberta and Canada than anyone else. Take your ignorant language somewhere else.

Danielle Smith and her Neville Chamberlain impression can be shelved anytime for me. Next thing you know she’ll be advocating that just give the US 200 miles North from the US border to keep them happy.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Azure

PP said on an interview on CTV that StatsCan is saying Canada has effectively a 7% tariff between provinces. I can't find any sources on this but I'm not a very good StatsCan searcher?

Because of that were true, what on earth.

Canadians tolerate our dairy industry, which continues to benefit from something far worse than a tariff, and much larger.

Before complaining about Trump tariffs before they even happen, we should look inward at all of the Trump-style policies that already damaging canadian consumers.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm gonna stop you right there...

Oh no, someone you disagree with made a claim from a Federal body so of course it must be misinformation in your view.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...017394-eng.htm

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Oh no, someone you disagree with made a claim from a Federal body so of course it must be misinformation in your view.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...017394-eng.htm

I think how Azure quoted the PP statement isn’t quite correct to what the paper says.

Essentially it’s saying that there exists an affect which if a good crosses a boarder it would need to be 6.9% lower in price to have the same level of sale as a good traveling the same distance within a province.

This suggests a non-efficient market which has the equivalent affect as a Tarrif. This may or may not be due to provincial barriers.

It’s much more complicated than just saying provincial trade barriers.

For example this affects on lumber is 32% per the table. Why is the big question. But it isn’t restrained trade for lumber.

If you look at O+G the affect is smaller than the margin of error.