2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Well big trades rarely happen at any time in the NHL so it's always tough to find comparable.

Closest comparable trades around the draft would have been:

Hamilton: 15th OV + 45th + 52nd
Trouba: 2019 1st (20th OV) , Neal Pionk
Jones + 32 Overall for Boqvist, 12th overall, 2022 1st, 2021 2nd
Sergachev: Moser, Geekie, 2nd, 7th

Nobody is making a move as bad as the Jones trade again (great job Stan Bowman!) but the Trouba and Sergachev deals are kind of the framework I think.

Both Moser and Pionk have been great for Tampa and Winnipeg respectively and that's the type of deal you want to make. Get some assets (Geekie/1st) on top of a piece that actually isn't as big of a downgrade on the piece you moved out as you would have thought.

Like I look back to the 2024 draft and if you could have gotten Walman + 15th OV pick + 2025 2nd that would probably be looked back at as a huge win. Walman is probably actually outplaying Andersson this year. Hage was on the board so Flames would have a high end center prospect in the system. And you'd have another 2nd round pick as ammo in this upcoming draft.

Hamilton and Trouba were RFAs and Sergachev was signed on a long term deal. You really got Jones as the lone example of a comparable and that Trouba return would have had people heated here. The trouble with trading at the draft is that a team has to be pretty confident they are going to progress next season. Who is Detroit competing with in the offseason that thy have to give up the 15th pick at the draft.

If a team is trading for a player in-season and holds the 15th pick it is a lot easier to justify that the player will help them end up higher in the standings like the Hronek and first Chychrun trade. I still think Andersson's value will be higher this deadline than in the offseason but I am not sure it was materially different at the past draft.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Andersson simply won't get anywhere near 64M as a UFA, so to me 8x8 is absolutely a large overpayment. If he truly wants to be here then he needs to be realistic about his worth.

Rumours were flames offered hanifin a number starting with 8. If that’s true I don’t see Rasmus going lower. That said I’m not convinced there is a realistic number that rasmus would accept instead of going to a now win team. It’s going to take more than a big number . Rasmus is going to want to hear how they have a chance at wining. I doubt hearing building through the draft is going to be music to his ears. The prospects we are drafting this year and after, are years away from making the nhl .

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

There are no comparables to support that ask. It'll be around $7 for 7 or 8 years if he resigns.

There are some I think:

Sergachev - $8.5M
Trouba - $8.0M
Chabot - $8.0M
Spurgeon: $7.57M
Ekblad: $7.5M
Morgan: $7.5M

Based on the timing of when a lot of these were signed, and the comparable that Andersson's agents will use, they will point at these as his closest comparisons.

And really the contracts that guys like Ekblad, Chychrun, Gavrikov, etc get this offseason will play a factor too.

In the end I'd be shocked if it's anything less than $7.75M but still think it's more likely $8 to get him to sign the year early with a drastically rising salary cap.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Rumours were flames offered hanifin a number starting with 8. If that’s true I don’t see Rasmus going lower. That said I’m not convinced there is a realistic number that rasmus would accept instead of going to a now win team. It’s going to take more than a big number . Rasmus is going to want to hear how they have a chance at wining. I doubt hearing building through the draft is going to be music to his ears. The prospects we are drafting this year and after, are years away from making the nhl .

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/noah-hanifin-...lace-1.2042653

It was 7.5. He signed just for a little less in Vegas.

[Macindoc]

If Andersson is willing to sign a contract consistent with his age and skillset, for example $7.5M X 8, then it's worth it to the Flames to sign him to be a stabilizing factor and mentor on D. With the cap rising rapidly, an AAV of $7.5M would be a reasonable contract, even if he falls to the 2nd pairing. With retention, it's also reasonably movable in the back half of the contract. We want to have Brz and Parekh mentored by someone with a decent skillset who gives a damn about the community and about winning. If he will only sign for $8.5M+, the Flames should (and I believe will) trade him. And I wish him good luck trying to get $68M+ on a 7 year contract in free agency.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

There are some I think:

Sergachev - $8.5M
Trouba - $8.0M
Chabot - $8.0M
Spurgeon: $7.57M
Ekblad: $7.5M
Morgan: $7.5M

Based on the timing of when a lot of these were signed, and the comparable that Andersson's agents will use, they will point at these as his closest comparisons.

And really the contracts that guys like Ekblad, Chychrun, Gavrikov, etc get this offseason will play a factor too.

In the end I'd be shocked if it's anything less than $7.75M but still think it's more likely $8 to get him to sign the year early with a drastically rising salary cap.

Outside of the Spurgeon one from four years ago, which I agree is a good one on the high side for that time period, the rest of those were mid 20s contracts (I think).

I didn't include recent signings like Seider (7X8.55m), Faber (8X8.5m) or Hedman (4X8m) -- or lesser recently signed D like Lindell, Larsson or Guehle -- as their ages and skillsets are different too.

For what Andersson brings, and I like him, his only real recent closest comparables are the three I included and they don't support an $8m ask, even with inflation. If he wants $8m, he should go elsewhere, but I'm totally good with him re-signing for market if he chooses to play his career with the Flames (around $7m).

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Hanifin 8 x $7,350,000 plus a little extra for taxes is the comparable.

I'd be very happy with $7.5. Would accept $8. But $9 would be an overpayment and I think the Flames will move him if that's the ask.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/noah-hanifin-...lace-1.2042653

It was 7.5. He signed just for a little less in Vegas.

In addition, Hanifin was just 27 when that contract started, so was in a position to ask for a higher % of the cap, as most of his 8 years on the contract are when he is in his prime. The cap might be higher for Andersson, but 3 fewer years of his contract will be while he is in his prime, so any contract has to take into consideration his likely decline after age 35.

[traptor]

I feel like I remember Steinberg saying he wouldn't be shocked if it was around 9x8.


That seems like crazy town to me for a guy like Rasmus, even when talking about the cap going up and percentages.

It's a good argument about Hanifin being younger when he signed his deal.

If Rasmus is deadset on 8 years then the contract shouldn't be much north of 7.

Essentially the Weegar cap but adjusted for the increase.

I'd still rather trade him though.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Trade him. Keep Weegar as the steadying veteran presence and sign short term guys to fill the void until one of Parekh, Bru or Mews is ready.
I guess if Ras was willing to sign a hometown discount (ie: 6x6) I might be more open to him staying... but I don't know why he would do that

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

I feel like I remember Steinberg saying he wouldn't be shocked if it was around 9x8.

Steinberg also thought a 6x6 was fair for Dube which was bananas at the time as well.

[dino7c]

If he wants year 8 he should be willing to come down a bit

look around the league at the other guys who made demands of the Flames...they are got far less money elsewhere

[Rhett44]

No to signing Rasmus. He is only going downhill from here, and age a big factor.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If he wants year 8 he should be willing to come down a bit

look around the league at the other guys who made demands of the Flames...they are got far less money elsewhere

Hopefully the NHL looks at the NBA model of contract length, and length for players who turn 35 or 36 older on long term deals.

Right now, it should be if you turn 35 in any year of an 8 year deal you are not eligible, and it has to be a 5-year deal.

Max term 35 plus guys at 2-year deals. Or 1+1 team option.

Player movement it stuck.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Hopefully the NHL looks at the NBA model of contract length, and length for players who turn 35 or 36 older on long term deals.

Right now, it should be if you turn 35 in any year of an 8 year deal you are not eligible, and it has to be a 5-year deal.

Max term 35 plus guys at 2-year deals. Or 1+1 team option.

Player movement it stuck.

Why'd the NHLPA ever agree to that?

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Hopefully the NHL looks at the NBA model of contract length, and length for players who turn 35 or 36 older on long term deals.

Right now, it should be if you turn 35 in any year of an 8 year deal you are not eligible, and it has to be a 5-year deal.

Max term 35 plus guys at 2-year deals. Or 1+1 team option.

Player movement it stuck.

This would be an interesting discussion between the NHLPA members... since the cap is a fixed percentage of revenue, it would still require teams to spread the same amount of dollars around to players--so instead of locking it in on older players, prime players would end up with more.

That means younger guys would be better off, but older guys wouldn't be able to get their retirement contract, and older guys likely have more voice at the table.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Why'd the NHLPA ever agree to that?

Why do other leagues get restrictive mechanisms in the CBA? Why did the NHLPA agree to the cap, lowering HRR share for the players and even putting in place the 7/8 last time around.

Money.

Last time big bad Donald Fehr was here, and would never negotiate off a salary cap. Instead, they conceded more.

They may get a bit more of the pie, and younger players will get paid more. It's what the NHLPA wants to have guys on the same pedestal as the NBA or NFL having larger salaries for star players.

We will see higher AAV, but it's easier to swallow when you know the deal is only 4-5 years.

Plus, player movement. Player movement attracts more eyes, more interest in the game.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

This would be an interesting discussion between the NHLPA members... since the cap is a fixed percentage of revenue, it would still require teams to spread the same amount of dollars around to players--so instead of locking it in on older players, prime players would end up with more.

That means younger guys would be better off, but older guys wouldn't be able to get their retirement contract, and older guys likely have more voice at the table.

That's why they never cared about the rookie deal, or giving up the split last time. They got made whole and still make their money.

Hopefully with the league getting younger, they voice their opinion.

Players and teams should share in the flexibility. Teams not being stuck with a deal, and player not being stuck to a team.

I know it sucks for us, but I firmly believe if we have a winning product players will stay and want to be here.

[Yeah_Baby]

I mean, maybe if the NHL loses the escrow

[Paulie Walnuts]

Escrow isn't going away.

Right now, the NHL players get a lot. They get the holidays off, they get a bye week, they get the all-star week, now they get to shut the league down mid-season to have an exhibition series and go to the Olympics. NFL and NBA don't do that.

NFL doesn't have guaranteed contracts either. 5-year guaranteed contract isn't the end of the world.