2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I would be interested to see what Carolina would do with the Andersson situation.

My guess they would sign him

[traptor]

Yeah a big reason why the canes are so succesful is because of their smart asset management.

They just don't sign big deal retirement contracts.
They have one, in Slavin, but its very affordable.

They let Skjei and Pesce walk instead of signing them to those retirement contract deals.
The flames already have multiple of these deals in Weegar, Huberdeau, Kadri.

Keep Rasmus for this season for playoffs.
If he won't sign a hometown discount, then ship him.
Keep the team young and hungry until we have core players in their 20s to lock up.

[SuperMatt18]

My gut feeling is Andersson's peak value was actually the 2024 Draft.

Had you shopped him with 50% retention for 2 full years, you probably would have gotten the best return.

I actually think the difference between 2025 Deadline and 2025 Draft is probably pretty close. The teams not in the playoff hunt (Detroit, Buffalo, Utah, Nashville, etc) were actually the teams with the biggest need and best assets for an Andersson type and they won't be as excited to make the move at the deadline vs the draft.

Now there might be a playoff team (Winnipeg, Dallas, Ottawa) that surprise and have the assets to present an offer that's an overpay for two years of him, and the Flames need to be open to that for sure, but I'm not sure how big the gap would be in reality anymore.

Originally Posted by traptor

Yeah a big reason why the canes are so succesful is because of their smart asset management.

They just don't sign big deal retirement contracts.
They have one, in Slavin, but its very affordable.

They let Skjei and Pesce walk instead of signing them to those retirement contract deals.
The flames already have multiple of these deals in Weegar, Huberdeau, Kadri.

Keep Rasmus for this season for playoffs.
If he won't sign a hometown discount, then ship him.
Keep the team young and hungry until we have core players in their 20s to lock up.

I question how smart it is.

They were smart to not sign some of those deals but they we're stupid to not recoup any assets and move some of those guys prior to them just walking as UFAs. Losing guys like Hamilton, Pesce, Skjei, Teravainen, Trochek, Niederreiter etc for nothing has probably hurt the franchise more than it's helped them. I also think in some cases (Hamilton, Trochek) they wanted to keep the player, but the player didn't want to stay there for a discount so it was less their strategy and more just the outcome.

The Hurricanes have generally gained their draft capital by trading back in the draft, not by moving players to maximize assets. (ie traded 2024 1st for 2 2nds)

[zukes]

I swear that half this board would still want to tank next year if the Flames won the Cup this year.

It's a thing across most sports, people's love for prospects and draft picks. As Casey Stern once said, "prospects are cool, parades are cooler".

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by zukes

Oh? Now their model is okay? They haven't tanked. Pick a lane. Of course if you can find a D'Angelo type player (not person) you can trade Andersson. But as I've stated before:

- I do not see Andersson as the type of d-man whose value craters in his early 30's.

- He is a top 20 - 50 defenseman in the league, which despite what many here will tell you, makes him a TOP pairing d-man!

- You can hope that the magic beans you get turn into a younger version Andersson and maybe even more, but just as likely, perhaps even more likely, the prospects/picks don't add up and you've just traded a top pairing defenseman who has at least 4 prime years left and a couple years of maybe slow decline for no reason other than to "get younger".

- Andersson, if around, will be a factor when this team is ready to compete, and be a leader as well.

The main reason you trade Rasmus this summer imo is if you think Parekh, Mews or Hunter can be top 4 dmen in the NHL. If you think that there would not be room for them for many many years if you sign Rasmus to a longterm contract.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The main reason you trade Rasmus this summer imo is if you think Parekh, Mews or Hunter can be top 4 dmen in the NHL. If you think that there would not be room for them for many many years if you sign Rasmus to a longterm contract.

How? If any of those guys become a top 4 guy, it doesn't hurt to have Rasmus here to help them. You can get rid of other pieces, depth pieces that we will still need to reach the cap floor.

I just don't believe trading a top pairing defensemen, just really entering his prime, a guy who wants to stay and be part of the next contending Flames team, is the right move.

If he demands a crazy contract, or Conroy is blown away by an offer, then go for it.

There is no way anyone knows for sure any of those guys is a top 4 defensemen for at least a year, likely much longer. They can't be a factor in this decision.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

My gut feeling is Andersson's peak value was actually the 2024 Draft.

Had you shopped him with 50% retention for 2 full years, you probably would have gotten the best return.

I share this same sentiment.

I also agree with Pinder in the theory of trading Andersson has more value then signing him to a 8x9M contract.
He's going to be good for about 2-3 more years of that contract and then will fall off significantly, I'm not sure I want to be paying a 35y.o defenseman 9M to put up 35-45 points at best.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I question how smart it is.

They were smart to not sign some of those deals but they we're stupid to not recoup any assets and move some of those guys prior to them just walking as UFAs.

I agree. If they are going to run a model where they don't sign older players to contracts with term then they should be ruthless on recouping assets.

Carolina is interesting to me, I think they have a good model to get the base of a team built but so far have lacked the ability/desire to get over the hump in the playoffs.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The view that the worst years of the club are still ahead of them. I agree, but don't share your view that they have time with Andersson. The max value on Andersson is pre deadline this year, and if you believe the team is going downhill over the next few seasons (rational) why wouldn't you want the team to get the most for it's most expensive asset?

Ah. When I said I never said that, I was referring to this part:

"If you truly believe that, then why isn't your desire to see them maximize value as much as possible now to reduce the time in the "worst years" by loading up the chamber with as many assets as possible?"

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I share this same sentiment.

I also agree with Pinder in the theory of trading Andersson has more value then signing him to a 8x9M contract.
He's going to be good for about 2-3 more years of that contract and then will fall off significantly, I'm not sure I want to be paying a 35y.o defenseman 9M to put up 35-45 points at best.

Do you know if this was something pursued by Flames management at the 2024 Draft...or were they still in the "We can't move everyone and need to rebuild our brand that people want to stay here" mindset while being focused on moving Markstrom?

[traptor]

The thing about the canes letting them walk for nothing is that they're a legit contender.

They're not going to trade 2/4 of their top 4 dman before playoffs to another playoff team to use as rentals. They were their rentals in a way.
Then since they're UFAs they just replaced them with better value UFAs.

As the flames inch closer to the finish line in a playoff spot, I've come around to not trading him this year.
But we should recoup assets in the summer if he's not willing to sign a very team friendly deal.
Try to target a better value UFA.
Sign someone like Marcus petterson to a 4 year deal. It would work as a better stop gap then Andersson for 8 years.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

My gut feeling is Andersson's peak value was actually the 2024 Draft.

Had you shopped him with 50% retention for 2 full years, you probably would have gotten the best return.

Originally Posted by Royle9

I share this same sentiment.

Maybe, maybe not. Detroit might have given up the 15th overall but I am guessing most of the offers still would have been protected 25 1sts. When is the last time a player like Andersson was traded for a pick at a draft.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So how does Carolina manage to go into drafts with extra picks, and not just trade them away because of roster limits. Seems to be a model people want to follow. THey have even made hard moves walking away from a Dougie Hamilton, and fill those guys with less expensive PP specialists like a yuck Tony DeAngelo.

I would be interested to see what Carolina would do with the Andersson situation.

They've also used used prospect and draft capital to acquire a rental (Guentzel), and re-signed vets.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by zukes

How? If any of those guys become a top 4 guy, it doesn't hurt to have Rasmus here to help them. You can get rid of other pieces, depth pieces that we will still need to reach the cap floor.

I just don't believe trading a top pairing defensemen, just really entering his prime, a guy who wants to stay and be part of the next contending Flames team, is the right move.

If he demands a crazy contract, or Conroy is blown away by an offer, then go for it.

There is no way anyone knows for sure any of those guys is a top 4 defensemen for at least a year, likely much longer. They can't be a factor in this decision.

They certainly can be a factor in this decision. If you sign Rasmus to an 8 year deal you are saying that there will be no top 4 right dmen positions for any of those 3 right dmen until 2031 when Parekh and Mews will be 25 and Hunter will be 27. No team would lock themselves into a situation where 3 of their top 10 prospects have no chance of playing where they should be slotted in for another 6 years.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

They certainly can be a factor in this decision. If you sign Rasmus to an 8 year deal you are saying that there will be no top 4 right dmen positions for any of those 3 right dmen until 2031 when Parekh and Mews will be 25 and Hunter will be 27. No team would lock themselves into a situation where 3 of their top 10 prospects have no chance of playing where they should be slotted in for another 6 years.

Not really true with Weegar being able to play both sides. Leaves two spots for young dmen.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by traptor

The thing about the canes letting them walk for nothing is that they're a legit contender.

They're not going to trade 2/4 of their top 4 dman before playoffs to another playoff team to use as rentals. They were their rentals in a way.
Then since they're UFAs they just replaced them with better value UFAs.

As the flames inch closer to the finish line in a playoff spot, I've come around to not trading him this year.
But we should recoup assets in the summer if he's not willing to sign a very team friendly deal.
Try to target a better value UFA.
Sign someone like Marcus petterson to a 4 year deal. It would work as a better stop gap then Andersson for 8 years.

This might be controversal but I think they were always a bit of a "Secondary" contender.

They were never as talented as Tampa, Florida, Boston and to a lesser extent the Rangers. They are a great regular season team, and beat up on the teams in the Metro that also lack talent (Islanders).

But when they faced the true class of the Eastern Conference they would lose.

18-19: Boston - 4-0 sweep
19-20: Boston - 4-1 loss
20-21: Tampa - 4-1 loss
21-22: Rangers: 4-3 loss
22-23: Panthers: 4-0 sweep
23-24: Rangers: 4-2 loss

A great team...but IMO because they either didn't move those guys to gain assets, or keep them even though it wasn't the best long term decision, they kind of landed in a spot where they were really good but never great.

That 21-22 team that had all of Teravainen, Niederreiter, Trocheck, Pesce, and replaced Hamilton with DeAngelo for a single season, was their best shot at the cup.

And not that they should have kept all of them...but that team with at least 1-2 of Hamilton, Teravainen, Pesce, Trocheck, etc would be closer to a true contender right now IMO. And I think they know it too...they tried hard to add Tkachuk, then Guentzel, and now are looking hard at Miller...they know they need another game changer.

However I agree with your sentiment...trading Andersson and focusing that money on signing one of Chychrun, Pettersson, Gavrikov, etc would be the ideal outcome as a UFA.

Recoup the assets, but repurpose the $$$ to keep a veteran d-man available. And ideally it's a LH shot to anchor the LH side because you have Weegar to anchor the RH side, and a lot of good young pieces on the left (Parekh, Mews, Brzustewicz).

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So how does Carolina manage to go into drafts with extra picks, and not just trade them away because of roster limits. Seems to be a model people want to follow. THey have even made hard moves walking away from a Dougie Hamilton, and fill those guys with less expensive PP specialists like a yuck Tony DeAngelo.

I would be interested to see what Carolina would do with the Andersson situation.

It actually is pretty simple. They would let him walk as a UFA. Like they did with Hamilton, Pesce, and Skjei. They brought replacements ahead of time via trades or drafting such as Orlov, Burns, and Gostisbehere.

Carolina has been drafting very well, and have a good eye for talent in the later rounds, but they only had 1 1st round draft pick(#30) in the last 4 drafts! An the same time they had 7 x 2nds, 5 x 3rds, 6 x 4th, 7 x 5th, 8 x 6th, and 6 x 7th. A lot of those picks were generated by trading down at the draft, and taking risks on bad contracts like Gostisbehere and DeAngelo.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by zukes

I swear that half this board would still want to tank next year if the Flames won the Cup this year.

It's a thing across most sports, people's love for prospects and draft picks. As Casey Stern once said, "prospects are cool, parades are cooler".

And how does one generally get to the stage to have a parade? It's not by signing 30 year old players to 8 year contracts unless you are already a cup contending team.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by zukes

I swear that half this board would still want to tank next year if the Flames won the Cup this year.

It's a thing across most sports, people's love for prospects and draft picks. As Casey Stern once said, "prospects are cool, parades are cooler".

We are NOT cup contenders. Some people here are extremely delusional.

We are a bad team that is being dragged into a playoff spot by elite goaltending.

We have ZERO 1st line centers or wingers. We have ONE top pairing dmen. We have ZERO game breaking type skaters.

We are closer to being a lottery team than a contender. You aren't beating the good teams with game breaking talent over a 7 game series.

[SuperMatt18]

In the end the biggest thing on Andersson specifically is the question:

Do you think he's already at his prime? or Do you think he still is still approaching his prime?

My worry personally is I think this is already his prime, and I actually worry his play is going to regress considerably in his 30s.

I don't think paying a version of Andersson that is actually a worse player than he is today (today IMO he's ideally a #2, my guess is in his 30s he's more of a 3/4), $8M+ throughout his 30s, is going to help this team.