2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Again, I would agree, outside of our current roster construction. We need more bullets in the chamber if we aren't going to tank and ensure a nicer target for us to shoot at. If we're always going to be riding the mid draft, then we need as many shots as possible to hit a star player, or we will be here forever.

IMO this is a consequence of the longterm strategy of the team to always squeak into the playoffs and see what happens.

You are making that assumption and allowing it to color your views on everything they do, even when the evidence suggests otherwise.

My view is that this team is going to get worse before it gets better. The bottoming out will still come next year and/or next and/or the year after.

Just because they are finishing in the mushy middle this year doesn't mean that will be the case next year.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

We got one of our franchise's best ever players in round 4, our current roster best player is from round 6, and arguably our best forward prospect was from round 5 last year. I believe we need to keep all our picks until our franchise is built way differently than it currently is.

The flames are soooooo asset rich that if they ended up making a splash for a big name player (cozens) or spent from an area of strength (mid to late picks/b-c prospects) to reward the team if they do find themselves where they are right now closer to the deadline then I’m ok with it. The culture Conroy is building is remarkable, we have one of the best teams in the ahl under the same roof and have graduated 6, 6!!!!! Players from the AHL to full timers over the past calendar year. There is still a good amount of talent below that is pushing (Stromgren, Bru and Cooley leading their respective groups at Forward, D and Goalie) and literally boatloads of picks having fantastic D+ years across the Canadian Junior leagues, NCAA and in Russia. We have 4 Guaranteed 1sts still through the next two drafts and all of your current worry is based on hypotheticals. Lots of hockey from now until the deadline and so far Craig Conroy has vastly accrued more assets than he has spent, more than any Flames gm has in my years as a fan. This isn’t the same ole same ole, Conroy has happily traded players away and has been somewhat bullied by other gm’s and the media going into trading all of the players that he ended up trading, even still after the trades he has executives saying he didn’t take the best offer (conveniently I might add) for Hanifin or Tanev while he has Insiders like Frank talking down the value of these players all the way until they were traded. Conny is proving himself so far as a GM, he’s done everything right so far after be dealt a 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, Jack be happy he’s handled it as well as he has.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You are making that assumption and allowing it to color your views on everything they do, even when the evidence suggests otherwise.

My view is that this team is going to get worse before it gets better. The bottoming out will still come next year and/or next and/or the year after.

Just because they are finishing in the mushy middle this year doesn't mean that will be the case next year.

Thank you for restating this view; when I last brought it up you denied that you shared it but that's ok.

I agree with this view, but don't understand at all why you wouldn't be a loud advocate for trading pieces like Rasmus pre deadline this year if you hold that view?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Again, I would agree, outside of our current roster construction. We need more bullets in the chamber if we aren't going to tank and ensure a nicer target for us to shoot at. If we're always going to be riding the mid draft, then we need as many shots as possible to hit a star player, or we will be here forever.

IMO this is a consequence of the longterm strategy of the team to always squeak into the playoffs and see what happens.

You continue to ignore the organization doing nothing to set this current roster up to make the playoffs this year in an effort to make this a never changing franchise directive.

That just isn't logical.

Stick with facts.

YOU would like to see them not trade a 6th or 7th round pick for depth despite the team exceeding expectations.

I get that.

I don't see life in a vacuum like that, but I get it.

But let the "plan is the same every year" crap go. It makes you look foolish.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Thank you for restating this view; when I last brought it up you denied that you shared it but that's ok.

I agree with this view, but don't understand at all why you wouldn't be a loud advocate for trading pieces like Rasmus pre deadline this year if you hold that view?

I don't know what view you are talking about or where you shared it or what I disagreed with.

I have stated that i believe that they should trade Rasmus between now and next year. But it is valid that they consider re-signing him depending on the price and term. My view is the former is probably the better move and that what will happen.

I have challenged if it is necessary that they trade him pre-deadline this year. I don't know why that is something they NEED to do.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That is the issue. You are 'seeing' cracks that aren't there yet. You have basically reached flat earther level of denials because you don't like Edwards.

The evidence so far has been rebuild. 20 million of cap space, not replacing a top 6 center or two top four dmen, and trading a starting goaltender.

If Conroy goes and spends futures on players and signs a bunch of UFAs this offseason then you will have a leg to stand on.

They've even recently in this thread admitted that Conroy is operating differently - i.e. not identically - than former GMs. However, they are so set on the truth of their narrative that no actions by the team could change their opinion.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

You should definitely double down on the stupidity you were spouting. Absolute nonsense. I am amazed you would ever show your face again around here.

I cited evidence. All anyone had to offer in return was insults.

Maybe it's you who should be ashamed to pursue a political vendetta on a hockey forum.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Royle9

If the Flames continue to remain in the hunt, I suspect they may make a move or two to try and keep competitive. Young center remains priority for Craig but there’s seemingly a holding pattern out there with teams all not really sure where they are this year.

I don’t see any depth d being signed here, not unless something is moved out.
Craig’s not going to use all his draft stock for a small window here, he’s trying to weaponize cap space if it can’t be used to acquire that #1 C.

I just don’t see how cony is going to be able to get that 1c around 23-25 in trade. Teams are not trading those players. The only player of value that could potentially bring in a 2c is Anderson and I don’t see him trading him until he offers him a contract. I have my doubts that young teams want more 1st round picks EI buffalo.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't know what view you are talking about or where you shared it or what I disagreed with.

I have stated that i believe that they should trade Rasmus between now and next year. But it is valid that they consider re-signing him depending on the price and term. My view is the former is probably the better move and that what will happen.

I have challenged if it is necessary that they trade him pre-deadline this year. I don't know why that is something they NEED to do.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

QUOTE Originally Posted by Monahammer View Post
Jiri, yesterday you said you think the flames worst years are still ahead of them. If you truly believe that, then why isn't your desire to see them maximize value as much as possible now to reduce the time in the "worst years" by loading up the chamber with as many assets as possible? / QUOTE

I've never said that.
I believe they should trade Andersson sometime between now and next season.
I don't understand the POV that if he isn't traded before the deadline it's some sort of disaster.
Beyond Andersson I don't know who else we are talking about.
And what I fail to also understand is what the pro-tanking crowd thinks the Flames should be doing differently to guarantee a lower finish in the standings. That's another question I've asked that hasn't been answered at all.

The view that the worst years of the club are still ahead of them. I agree, but don't share your view that they have time with Andersson. The max value on Andersson is pre deadline this year, and if you believe the team is going downhill over the next few seasons (rational) why wouldn't you want the team to get the most for it's most expensive asset?

[Yeah_Baby]

I find assessing value and the market hard from keyboard.
Because I have no idea what the market actually looks like because the GMs don't call me.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You are making that assumption and allowing it to color your views on everything they do, even when the evidence suggests otherwise.

My view is that this team is going to get worse before it gets better. The bottoming out will still come next year and/or next and/or the year after.

Just because they are finishing in the mushy middle this year doesn't mean that will be the case next year.

There is a LOT of talk about the mushy middle but, as I've been saying in the other thread, there is still a good chance this team ends up in the bottom 10 this season (currently tied for 17th OA).

We may stay in the playoff position... the Canucks are doing their damnedest to hand us the opportunity but the Blues are on our heels after the 8 point swing we handed them on the road trip. Also, UHC put together a couple of wins and are just 4 points back.

The Flames have games in hand over the teams we are racing against but also the toughest schedule to close out the season out of the bubble teams in the West.

The 6 game road trip right before the trade deadline will be a huge indicator as to where the team is going this season. 5 playoff contenders (including the current best team in the league and the cup defenders) and 1 bubble team that is surging right now.

I do not believe Conroy is making trades before that road trip unless it is to secure the C he is looking for or weaponize cap space.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You are making that assumption and allowing it to color your views on everything they do, even when the evidence suggests otherwise.

My view is that this team is going to get worse before it gets better. The bottoming out will still come next year and/or next and/or the year after.

Just because they are finishing in the mushy middle this year doesn't mean that will be the case next year.

Yep, this is exactly how I see it as well. This is a great 'feel good' season to prove the pundits wrong, but I also think it is tough on a team to out-work other teams and continue scraping wins, even with Wolf in net.



I do still think a bottom 10 finish is very possible this season, but preferring to just enjoy these wins as they come regardless of where the Flames finish in the standings. Seasons like these are fun - everyone loves to cheer for an underdog.



I do like Martone more and more in this draft though.. even if he isn't a C.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Soooooo rumors????

[Paulie Walnuts]

So how does Carolina manage to go into drafts with extra picks, and not just trade them away because of roster limits. Seems to be a model people want to follow. THey have even made hard moves walking away from a Dougie Hamilton, and fill those guys with less expensive PP specialists like a yuck Tony DeAngelo.

I would be interested to see what Carolina would do with the Andersson situation.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

The flames are soooooo asset rich that if they ended up making a splash for a big name player (cozens) or spent from an area of strength (mid to late picks/b-c prospects) to reward the team if they do find themselves where they are right now closer to the deadline then I’m ok with it. The culture Conroy is building is remarkable, we have one of the best teams in the ahl under the same roof and have graduated 6, 6!!!!! Players from the AHL to full timers over the past calendar year. There is still a good amount of talent below that is pushing (Stromgren, Bru and Cooley leading their respective groups at Forward, D and Goalie) and literally boatloads of picks having fantastic D+ years across the Canadian Junior leagues, NCAA and in Russia. We have 4 Guaranteed 1sts still through the next two drafts and all of your current worry is based on hypotheticals. Lots of hockey from now until the deadline and so far Craig Conroy has vastly accrued more assets than he has spent, more than any Flames gm has in my years as a fan. This isn’t the same ole same ole, Conroy has happily traded players away and has been somewhat bullied by other gm’s and the media going into trading all of the players that he ended up trading, even still after the trades he has executives saying he didn’t take the best offer (conveniently I might add) for Hanifin or Tanev while he has Insiders like Frank talking down the value of these players all the way until they were traded. Conny is proving himself so far as a GM, he’s done everything right so far after be dealt a 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, Jack be happy he’s handled it as well as he has.

I would pump the brakes here. We have only had 2 full drafts with Conroy, and the draft prior with Treliving we had 2 picks.

We are just building our prospect base back to a top tier level.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The view that the worst years of the club are still ahead of them. I agree, but don't share your view that they have time with Andersson. The max value on Andersson is pre deadline this year, and if you believe the team is going downhill over the next few seasons (rational) why wouldn't you want the team to get the most for it's most expensive asset?

You keep saying this is a fact that Andersson's value peaks before this trade deadline but that is nonsense you have manufactured.

Andersson's value as a trade asset can be easily equal or better on July 1st. At that point more teams are available for a bidding war, they all have cap space and roster flexibility, and there is the ability to extend Andersson as a part of the trade so that the receiving team gets him for 9 years instead of 1 or 2.

Anderrson is currently set to be one of the best RD available in the 2026 UFA class. His competition is Raddysh? Even if you add the LD UFAs for 2026, it does not dramatically change the competition.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So how does Carolina manage to go into drafts with extra picks, and not just trade them away because of roster limits. Seems to be a model people want to follow. THey have even made hard moves walking away from a Dougie Hamilton, and fill those guys with less expensive PP specialists like a yuck Tony DeAngelo.

I would be interested to see what Carolina would do with the Andersson situation.

They would probably let him walk like Hamilton and Guentzel and Trochek and Niederreiter and Teravainen and Skjei.

I doubt the Flames do that though, they probably trade Rasmus over the summer.

[bigrangy]

I’d rather overpay for a good player than send out any picks at all for depth players.

The guys remaining on the Wranglers are pretty good, and need to be assessed before the wave of picks catches up and there’s no space for everyone.

Go get guys who can be difference makers. Having extra Fantenbergs or Jarnkroks won’t do #### to help the team do anything.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Wolven

You keep saying this is a fact that Andersson's value peaks before this trade deadline but that is nonsense you have manufactured.

Andersson's value as a trade asset can be easily equal or better on July 1st. At that point more teams are available for a bidding war, they all have cap space and roster flexibility, and there is the ability to extend Andersson as a part of the trade so that the receiving team gets him for 9 years instead of 1 or 2.

Anderrson is currently set to be one of the best RD available in the 2026 UFA class. His competition is Raddysh? Even if you add the LD UFAs for 2026, it does not dramatically change the competition.

Maybe but players now have far more say where they get traded to. I don’t buy there will be many more teams in summer that could pull off the trade. As for best of 2026 ufa class , the same was being said about hanifin. He got back what really looks like a late 1st and a 6/7 dman project.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So how does Carolina manage to go into drafts with extra picks, and not just trade them away because of roster limits. Seems to be a model people want to follow. THey have even made hard moves walking away from a Dougie Hamilton, and fill those guys with less expensive PP specialists like a yuck Tony DeAngelo.

I would be interested to see what Carolina would do with the Andersson situation.

Oh? Now their model is okay? They haven't tanked. Pick a lane. Of course if you can find a D'Angelo type player (not person) you can trade Andersson. But as I've stated before:

- I do not see Andersson as the type of d-man whose value craters in his early 30's.

- He is a top 20 - 50 defenseman in the league, which despite what many here will tell you, makes him a TOP pairing d-man!

- You can hope that the magic beans you get turn into a younger version Andersson and maybe even more, but just as likely, perhaps even more likely, the prospects/picks don't add up and you've just traded a top pairing defenseman who has at least 4 prime years left and a couple years of maybe slow decline for no reason other than to "get younger".

- Andersson, if around, will be a factor when this team is ready to compete, and be a leader as well.