2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That is my whole point. Right now the Flames have the power, and they need to use that power and not allow the player to control his fate.

Once we let the summer pass without a trade or signing(yuck) the power shifts to Andersson and it will likely end up being the Hanifin situation with an agent working in the background actively trying to sabotage trades.

What power? They have no ability to MAKE Andersson negotiate at this point. So what power do they have?

And no one is saying they should let the summer pass. The discussion is around the merits of trading him now or at the deadline. I think everyone would agree if he enters next season as a pending UFA, that's not great.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How long are people going to carry that one around as some sort of proof point?

It's the hockeywriters, seems like a blog.

Pretty sure a few people here said he was getting 8.3M or something and the Flames would not move off that number and Lindholm wanted 9.5.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What power? They have no ability to MAKE Andersson negotiate at this point. So what power do they have?

And no one is saying they should let the summer pass. The discussion is around the merits of trading him now or at the deadline. I think everyone would agree if he enters next season as a pending UFA, that's not great.

I am not talking about any negotiations. The Flames likely have an idea of the # it's going to keep Andersson.

In your opinion what do you think would be a fair deal for him here, and what do you think is too much?

A fair deal to me is going to be 6 or lower on 5–6-year deal. What he likely is going to want or may have indicated is 8 years and 8M plus, and that is way too long and much.

I think an extension should be off the table, and they should look to aggressively move him at the deadline or draft.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's not fair.

They could have signed Toffoli and Zadarov, but chose not to pursue it.

They dealt their starting goaltender two years before he was a UFA.

They carried $20M in cap space into a season.

This isn't the same old plan in any form.

Toffoli's and Zadorov's asking price was simply not something the Flames wanted to engage in.

They dealt Markstrom because he wanted out and they had a great prospect they wanted to use.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by redmile04

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...TwjommI4U2D4aM

That doesn't speak to anything I said.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Management is handling things differently than the past regime did. They've re-built the pipeline, stocked up on picks and have one of the lowest payrolls.
If you don't see that, that's on you.

That doesn't mean they are going to trade every player and not re-sign anyone.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I see a lot of similarity.

The last regime also re-built the pipeline in 2015-2016 with Tkachuk, Andersson, Mangiapane, Fox, Kylington, and Dube. That's absolutely amazing drafting in Treliving's first 2 years. I excluded the 2014 draft because it seemed more influenced by Burke's vision.

Calgary also had the 4th most cap space in 2014-15, with $10M. We then went down to 12th most with $3.8M the following year.

Now the rumors surrounding Calgary are about competing for the last playoff spot, and trading for a D. Hamilton type player but at center. It makes sense, but again it seems slightly premature, so I hope we get the centre equivalent of Hamilton and not a Hamonic in such a trade.

Finally, the expectations surrounding the team made Calgary a very lackluster destination in the offseason. This resulted in players like DeBrusk, preferring to sign elsewhere. I'm glad Conroy hasn't overpaid anyone in free agency or otherwise, though he dodged a bullet with Lindholm.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Detroit averaged 10 picks per year in the 3rd round or later over the last 10 years?

Around 7.3 picks in the 3rd round or later per draft.

Pretty much no hits.

Mattias Janmark-Nylen was there last consistent later round NHLer.

209 pts in 603 GP

Drafted 3rd round of 2013.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How long are people going to carry that one around as some sort of proof point?

It is also funny because that 9 million dollar contract came from Friedman speculating what Lindholm would sign with the Flames for. If that was the ask and they were always below it then they weren’t trying that hard

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What power? They have no ability to MAKE Andersson negotiate at this point. So what power do they have?

And no one is saying they should let the summer pass. The discussion is around the merits of trading him now or at the deadline. I think everyone would agree if he enters next season as a pending UFA, that's not great.

Conroy and staff have done a wonderful job of nailing picks thus far, but the team really needs to find a way to either parlay some of these upcoming picks into a higher pick, or make a hockey trade for the coveted 1C of the future. It's not happening via the draft with Wolf emerging.

Does a Rasmus sign and trade in the summer get that done? I would imagine there would be significant interest in a Andersson/1st rounder package.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I am not talking about any negotiations. The Flames likely have an idea of the # it's going to keep Andersson.

In your opinion what do you think would be a fair deal for him here, and what do you think is too much?

A fair deal to me is going to be 6 or lower on 5–6-year deal. What he likely is going to want or may have indicated is 8 years and 8M plus, and that is way too long and much.

I think an extension should be off the table, and they should look to aggressively move him at the deadline or draft.

Out of the gate I disagree with this premise. Again until there is more clarity on where the cap is going, i think more players are holding off on saying what it will take.

6 or lower on a 5 year deal seems low though. It'll take more than that.

And I'm not advocating to sign him. I've consistently said I think the best approach is to trade him sometime before next season.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

It’s a gamble at the end of the day; the Gaudreau story is a perfect example, the flames sweated out to the 4th round after not taking Kucherov in the 2nd and not having a 3rd rounder because it had been traded away. When they drafted Johnny the Boston table famously reacted in disgust because the player they thought they could select in the 6th went in the 4th. Scouts are passionate and knowledgeable experts of the sport that lobby for the players they follow to be drafted, it’s up to management to take all that info, build a list and then stick to that as best they can. It’s not as cut and dry as you’re making it seem. A lot goes into the decision making, the fact that they drafted those two stars when they did means the scouts did their job convincing management to take flyers on them, likely against a ton of other scouts within the team that wanted ‘classic’ picks from the usual leagues. It’s a hilarious hill you’re standing on though, I don’t understand the annoyance over a concept that is genuinely accepted - Detroit drafted in a way that was ahead of its time with those types of selections, and good on them because it’s made the league and the draft better and better.

Sure. If we’re going to put them on a pedestal then, we can go through the league and do it to them all because they all have, or had, late round steals.

Where do we want to draw the line?

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Conroy and staff have done a wonderful job of nailing picks thus far, but the team really needs to find a way to either parlay some of these upcoming picks into a higher pick, or make a hockey trade for the coveted 1C of the future. It's not happening via the draft with Wolf emerging.

Does a Rasmus sign and trade in the summer get that done? I would imagine there would be significant interest in a Andersson/1st rounder package.

Serivalli said that the flames would want Cozens but the flames don’t make a good trade partner with the Sabres because the flames only have picks to trade. The Sabres want proven NHLers. Andersson is likely not an option because the Sabres are likely on his NTC and because the the Sabres likely prefer to get some kind of centre back in a Cozens trade.

Is there potential for the Flames to acquire Cozens via a 3-way trade? What team wants picks that has the type of player available that the Sabres want?

To Calgary: Cozens
To 3rd team: New Jersey 1st round pick + Flames 2nd round pick + prospect (eg. Poirier)
To Buffalo: NHL centre from 3rd team

Can anyone think of a 3rd team that might fit for this type of trade?

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Serivalli said that the flames would want Cozens but the flames don’t make a good trade partner with the Sabres because the flames only have picks to trade. The Sabres want proven NHLers. Andersson is likely not an option because the Sabres are likely on his NTC and because the the Sabres likely prefer to get some kind of centre back in a Cozens trade.

Is there potential for the Flames to acquire Cozens via a 3-way trade? What team wants picks that has the type of player available that the Sabres want?

To Calgary: Cozens
To 3rd team: New Jersey 1st round pick + Flames 2nd round pick + prospect (eg. Poirier)
To Buffalo: NHL centre from 3rd team

Can anyone think of a 3rd team that might fit for this type of trade?

Penguins have been talking about a fire sale. I have wondered if they are a fit.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I am not talking about any negotiations. The Flames likely have an idea of the # it's going to keep Andersson.

In your opinion what do you think would be a fair deal for him here, and what do you think is too much?

A fair deal to me is going to be 6 or lower on 5–6-year deal. What he likely is going to want or may have indicated is 8 years and 8M plus, and that is way too long and much.

I think an extension should be off the table, and they should look to aggressively move him at the deadline or draft.

You're underselling the market to prove your point. Looking at comparable deals in that range: Esa Lindell, Adam Larsson, Matt Roy (6 years), Matt Dumba (2 years) and Brett Pesce (6 years) all got under $6m last year on shorter deals, which is what you're suggesting is fair.

Brandon Montour got 7 X $7.14m, Brady Skjei got 7 x $7m and Jacob Slavin got 8 X $6.46m.

I'd slot Andersson in or even better than the second group and we've had a year where the cap is going up 5%.

A "fair" deal with the inflation and market outlook for a player of his skillset is likely ~ $7.25m for seven years. He might go below $7m on an 8 year deal or if he really wants to stay in Calgary.

I'd be good with anything around $7m X 8 years for him, as I think he's an important part of the current leadership group and reinforces the work ethic and compete being taught in that locker room -- and a deal like that will still be reasonable for Calgary's prime competition years.

I'd also be fine if they traded him this offseason because he won't resign or if he's looking for a lot more than that. At this point, he's not being traded in season, unless the Flames fall well outside of a playoff spot in the next six weeks.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I am not talking about any negotiations. The Flames likely have an idea of the # it's going to keep Andersson.

In your opinion what do you think would be a fair deal for him here, and what do you think is too much?

A fair deal to me is going to be 6 or lower on 5–6-year deal. What he likely is going to want or may have indicated is 8 years and 8M plus, and that is way too long and much.

I think an extension should be off the table, and they should look to aggressively move him at the deadline or draft.

Set unreasonable expectations for management so that when said expectations are not met, you can continue complaining about the direction.

Win win.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The power is in the Flames hands. The asset management choice is to trade him if they can't get a good feel on what he wants for a contract and the return is justified.

I didn't say that the Flames have no decision points. I was simply stating that it makes no sense for Rasmus to make any sort of commitment or indication until at least the summer. If things take a turn for the worst and this team bottoms out, then he probably can say that he likely won't stick around or the team can decide that it doesn't matter if he sticks around or not.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Set unreasonable expectations for management so that when said expectations are not met, you can continue complaining about the direction.

Win win.

A fair deal to me is an 8 year extension at 11-12M AAV. Anything less than that is a steal and a win!!

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

I didn't say that the Flames have no decision points. I was simply stating that it makes no sense for Rasmus to make any sort of commitment or indication until at least the summer. If things take a turn for the worst and this team bottoms out, then he probably can say that he likely won't stick around or the team can decide that it doesn't matter if he sticks around or not.

If Andersson actually wants to stay then it doesn't really hurt his position if he and his agent target a % of cap. If the Flames say we will give you 7% of the cap and they are at 9% then that is pretty much conversation over.

[Monahammer]

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that management should build a long term winner here. I don't think they are showing us right now they know how to do that/ even really want to do that.

I think everything they've shown so far is back to "Make it and anything can happen" strategy. Sure, they left money on the table beginning of the year. But if you believe everything they say, then you should also believe the club is dead broke and struggles to make money (this is why they needed such a big hand out for the arena, right?)
If so, then we can take that at face value, they were just choosing to spend less for profitability sake.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Conroy and staff have done a wonderful job of nailing picks thus far, but the team really needs to find a way to either parlay some of these upcoming picks into a higher pick, or make a hockey trade for the coveted 1C of the future. It's not happening via the draft with Wolf emerging.

Does a Rasmus sign and trade in the summer get that done? I would imagine there would be significant interest in a Andersson/1st rounder package.

Any team acquiring Rasmus this summer could re-sign him to an 8-year deal on their own.