2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Letting the players dictate the situation is not a good way to run your organization. Especially a Rasmus Andersson, the decision should be made by the team for the player we are moving on. Doesn't mean it has to be now, but just the fact they want to start negotiating in the summer is disappointing because I highly doubt, he signs a deal that pays him in line with what he brings.

He is in the Weegar range or below, and he will probably want 8 plus.

They can't make him an offer now.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by SilverKast

Who cares how many times Detroit passed over those guys - bottom line is that they still picked them and we didn't. Means they did a better job than the rest of us.

By the same logic you could argue our late round gems were just flukes and we fell into them, rather than the scouts maybe seeing something other guys didn't.

Relax.

From my original post on the topic ‘I don’t really buy that the Red Wings deserve the credit they do for those picks.sure, at the end of the day, they picked them.’

Every team finds their fair share of impact players in later rounds. I don’t think any of them necessarily deserve to have praise heaped on them for years, in this case decades, for doing so. Same goes with Wolf and the Flames.

JR’s reaction missed the mark.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

They can't make him an offer now.

I am well aware of that. They are in constant contact with him and his team, they should likely have an idea of what it will take.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I am well aware of that. They are in constant contact with him and his team, they should likely have an idea of what it will take.

Sure. Or maybe the player also wants to wait. A lot of players are not negotiating right now because they want to know where the cap is going, with certainty, first.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yes, it does appear that they will choose to lose the opportunity to get the most value for our assets possible, in what appears to be some vain and mad attempt to "get to the playoffs and anything can happen!!!!!!"

Just as feared.

I think the Flames should try to make the playoffs because it is best for player development, and it increases the value of players if the Flames choose to move on from them in their contract year.

Bhal, Pachal, Sharangovich, Zary, Pospisil, Pelletier, Kerins Coronato, and Wolf. Have one NHL playoff game between them, and they are all under the age of 26. Having a chance to feel what playoff hockey is like is 100% worth and minor delay in drafting.

Bean, Andersoon, Posipsil and Sharangovhich are worth more in a trade with a solid performance and playoff appearance this year, hell even a Guy like Lomberg's stock goes up.

If the Flames are going to be successful they need to look at the bigger picture. Balancing Asset management with player development. Both aspects need to go well.

So far the Flames' asset management is going well. The Flames have traded 7/8 expiring contacts. I don't think extending one player is going to make a huge difference. Further, The Flames have 4 first round picks and 3 second round picks in the next two years. Good prospects will be added to the system.

The only real concern is that the Flames trade picks or pick up bad UFA contracts. Which has not been the messaging.

[Heavy Jack]

The Red Wings started scouting those leagues more aggressively a lot sooner than most teams did and likely knew they would be able to spend later round picks on Datsyuk and Zetterberg because they were likely not on any other teams/scouts radar. Then other teams caught on and you now see lots and lots of picks from those leagues with less ‘good old Canadian kid from the dub’ picks being spent in the 1 through 3 rounds. Detroit 1000000 percent deserves the credit they get for drafting those players how and when they did.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

The Red Wings started scouting those leagues more aggressively a lot sooner than most teams did and likely knew they would be able to spend later round picks on Datsyuk and Zetterberg because they were likely not on any other teams/scouts radar. Then other teams caught on and you now see lots and lots of picks from those leagues with less ‘good old Canadian kid from the dub’ picks being spent in the 1 through 3 rounds. Detroit 1000000 percent deserves the credit they get for drafting those players how and when they did.

Still don’t buy it. St.Louis also had scouts on Datsyuk, I believe,

Further, why would they have risked it? Clearly not all the scouts they had felt the same way. Go ahead and look at some of the guys they picked before each player. I think you would be lying if you said you had heard of half of them.

Makes no sense. If they knew those players would turn out to be as good as they were, Detroit takes them with their first pick whether that was in the first, or second, or whatever round.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Relax.

From my original post on the topic ‘I don’t really buy that the Red Wings deserve the credit they do for those picks.sure, at the end of the day, they picked them.’

Every team finds their fair share of impact players in later rounds. I don’t think any of them necessarily deserve to have praise heaped on them for years, in this case decades, for doing so. Same goes with Wolf and the Flames.

JR’s reaction missed the mark.

Looking at Detroit recent drafting history (Last 10 years),they're drafting has been very poor.
They havnt hit anything notable past the 2nd round and they've had tons of picks.

They've had probably around 100 depth picks over these 10 years.
Almost a 0% NHL hit rate.

This is why it's a little nerve racking to think the flames can build a core outside of the top of the draft.


If we hit in Wolf and Kerins, we're already doing exceptionally well with our later rounds picks.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sure. Or maybe the player also wants to wait. A lot of players are not negotiating right now because they want to know where the cap is going, with certainty, first.

To add to your point, why on earth would Rasmus do otherwise if he is at all rational? He should make his decision when he has as much information as possible. So, he has two primary inflection points - this summer and next summer. There is zero incentive for him to undercut his negotiating position now.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by traptor

Looking at Detroit recent drafting history (Last 10 years),they're drafting has been very poor.
They havnt hit anything notable past the 2nd round and they've had tons of picks.

They've had probably around 100 depth picks over these 10 years.
Almost a 0% NHL hit rate.

This is why it's a little nerve racking to think the flames can build a core outside of the top of the draft.


If we hit in Wolf and Kerins, we're already doing exceptionally well with our later rounds picks.

Detroit averaged 10 picks per year in the 3rd round or later over the last 10 years?

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Still don’t buy it. St.Louis also had scouts on Datsyuk, I believe,

Further, why would they have risked it? Clearly not all the scouts they had felt the same way. Go ahead and look at some of the guys they picked before each player. I think you would be lying if you said you had heard of half of them.

Makes no sense. If they knew those players would turn out to be as good as they were, Detroit takes them with their first pick whether that was in the first, or second, or whatever round.

It’s a gamble at the end of the day; the Gaudreau story is a perfect example, the flames sweated out to the 4th round after not taking Kucherov in the 2nd and not having a 3rd rounder because it had been traded away. When they drafted Johnny the Boston table famously reacted in disgust because the player they thought they could select in the 6th went in the 4th. Scouts are passionate and knowledgeable experts of the sport that lobby for the players they follow to be drafted, it’s up to management to take all that info, build a list and then stick to that as best they can. It’s not as cut and dry as you’re making it seem. A lot goes into the decision making, the fact that they drafted those two stars when they did means the scouts did their job convincing management to take flyers on them, likely against a ton of other scouts within the team that wanted ‘classic’ picks from the usual leagues. It’s a hilarious hill you’re standing on though, I don’t understand the annoyance over a concept that is genuinely accepted - Detroit drafted in a way that was ahead of its time with those types of selections, and good on them because it’s made the league and the draft better and better.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calgary has showed nothing which indicates otherwise.

They only trade guys who they cannot resign.

That's not fair.

They could have signed Toffoli and Zadarov, but chose not to pursue it.

They dealt their starting goaltender two years before he was a UFA.

They carried $20M in cap space into a season.

This isn't the same old plan in any form.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's not fair.

They could have signed Toffoli and Zadarov, but chose not to pursue it.

They dealt their starting goaltender two years before he was a UFA.

They carried $20M in cap space into a season.

This isn't the same old plan in any form.

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...TwjommI4U2D4aM

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

They can't make him an offer now.

They can talk contract they just can't put pen to paper until July 1.

I believe the Oilers and Nurse agreed to a contract a few months before the July 1 of when he was able to be signed and they just didn't make it official until they were allowed to do so.

I'm not saying the Flames should do the same as the No Goods though. There is a lot of things that could change between now and July 1, or even when the current contract expires a year later. What is the rush to get it done now? Talking to Ras and finding out where his mind is at and where he sees his future is what they should be doing, and most likely what they have been doing. If they already know that he won't sign an extension then they should be working on trading him. From all accounts both player and team are interested in continuing on together past this contract so, we're really just worrying about nothing at this point.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

To add to your point, why on earth would Rasmus do otherwise if he is at all rational? He should make his decision when he has as much information as possible. So, he has two primary inflection points - this summer and next summer. There is zero incentive for him to undercut his negotiating position now.

The power is in the Flames hands. The asset management choice is to trade him if they can't get a good feel on what he wants for a contract and the return is justified.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's not fair.

They could have signed Toffoli and Zadarov, but chose not to pursue it.

They dealt their starting goaltender two years before he was a UFA.

They carried $20M in cap space into a season.

This isn't the same old plan in any form.

Honestly too, I think if the flames offered money a little sooner to Mangi, Hanifin and Lindy they all likely stay. It’s a good thing the flames got cold feet when they did, it’s pushed us fully into a rebuild while embracing the young talent that we had drafted while we had the core and it’s pretty incredible to see how many players have graduated, how the flames are playing and also how the wranglers are playing. With a new building on route I think the notion of players not wanting to play here is going to quietly subside, especially with Conroy consistently mentioning how he wants players that want to be here first and foremost. It’s a great time to be a flames fan and if you had told me that 2 years ago at the end of Huby’s first season with the Flames I wouldn’t have believed it for a second lol.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Honestly too, I think if the flames offered money a little sooner to Mangi, Hanifin and Lindy they all likely stay. It’s a good thing the flames got cold feet when they did, it’s pushed us fully into a rebuild while embracing the young talent that we had drafted while we had the core and it’s pretty incredible to see how many players have graduated, how the flames are playing and also how the wranglers are playing. With a new building on route I think the notion of players not wanting to play here is going to quietly subside, especially with Conroy consistently mentioning how he wants players that want to be here first and foremost. It’s a great time to be a flames fan and if you had told me that 2 years ago at the end of Huby’s first season with the Flames I wouldn’t have believed it for a second lol.

From all accounts real negotiations started when they all returned in September. THey used the summer for everyone to cool after that toxic season.

I don't think Mangiapane was in the plans, or a priority. THey did agree to a deal with Hanifin people keep forgetting that he walked away twice. It was imminent for a few days in November.

I think Lindholm wasn't going to budge from his ask so they didn't bother to engage in a proper dialogue. Conory made a comment he knew in October that he was going to trade Lindholm.

[GioforPM]

The handwringing is odd to me. Maybe the best return is the TDL, maybe it isn't. Circumstances change, the value of the contract is different, the position of teams is different. A team that misses the POs or bows out early because of a lack of depth in the top 4 D might pay more than a team that is in PO position now.

But moreover, the difference in return isn't going to be staggering. More likely it will be marginal.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

To add to your point, why on earth would Rasmus do otherwise if he is at all rational? He should make his decision when he has as much information as possible. So, he has two primary inflection points - this summer and next summer. There is zero incentive for him to undercut his negotiating position now.

That is my whole point. Right now the Flames have the power, and they need to use that power and not allow the player to control his fate.

Once we let the summer pass without a trade or signing(yuck) the power shifts to Andersson and it will likely end up being the Hanifin situation with an agent working in the background actively trying to sabotage trades.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by redmile04

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...TwjommI4U2D4aM

How long are people going to carry that one around as some sort of proof point?