Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol yeah this one.

Slow on the draw.

Sorry, you're gonna have to take the L on this one.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Sorry, you're gonna have to take the L on this one.

Pep got mopped!

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Slava

So a qualified, non-conspiracy centre-right candidate? Sounds like a problem for the the CPC.

Sure...if it's 4 years in the future and the CPC has to answer for what their government has done, where Carney would the perfect candidate to go against the CPC's transgressions.

Campaigning against your own party's governing record while the same MPs you are criticizing are up for next election with you in a few months, is certainly a choice.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

She is right about one thing though. Canada should be building the infrastructure and facilities needed to get oil and other natural resources to more markets instead of relying on one primary market. The U.S. usually just takes them, refines them, then sells them at a mark up.

You're wrong and she's wrong. Trudeau said so.

There is no 'business case' to sell our energy exports anywhere else.

You know, outside of the incoming recession and blowing up of the Canadian economy. I guess now its important.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Traitor lol. Rich coming from all the pro liberal supporters. As premier of the economic engine of Canada this is what she should be doing. Maximize pressure on the rest of Canada to get export egress.

How did Quebec get a pass on their hydro exports from equalization payments? By laying down and saying sure Canada. Whatever you think is best.

I’ve said it before Canada is NOT a country. It is a confederacy and until we can sort out our own interprovincial battles each province has to look out for what it has. I moved to Alberta when I was 19 for the chance at a career and a better life. I fully support Smith wielding the power she holds over the other provinces to get the best for the people in this province and cutting production or having tariffs isn’t the way to go.

All you people saying traitor, how do you expect teachers, doctors nurses etc to be paid when we have tariffs or shut in production. Honestly some people want to cut off their nose to spite their face.

Without OIL we dont have social programs which are already not at the level they should be.

Such partisan bull#### in this thread which is representative of the issue we have as a confederacy pretending to be a country

I agree 100% with this, but at the same time I don't agree with what Smith is saying in regards to the tariffs. In fact I would put an export tax on oil & gas heading south.

The refineries down there would need to retool in order to not use our oil, which isn't going to happen anytime soon.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

Possibly less. WCS discount right now is lower than the Tarrif estimates for Energy east and certainly lower than if the Capital cost was 4x what the last estimate was. Energy east kind of sucked. Keystone is a far better project but that keeps us tied to the US.

I mean it is amusing.

Trump says he wants Keystone to go ahead.
Trump said he will tariff Canadian oil.

Like dumb. Literally.

US benefits from Canadian oil. Big time. Keystone would massively benefit the US for decades.

[Ashasx]

Has it been confirmed which riding Carney will be running in?

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by Slava

So a qualified, non-conspiracy center-right candidate? Sounds like a problem for the the CPC.

To be honest it sounds like a problem for both the LPC and CPC


I like what I'm hearing but one person doesn't change a party. If he can switch to a more moderate center government and focus on economy and bring the liberal caucus to that centrist thinking he'll gain my vote.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Azure

I mean it is amusing.

Trump says he wants Keystone to go ahead.
Trump said he will tariff Canadian oil.

Like dumb. Literally.

US benefits from Canadian oil. Big time. Keystone would massively benefit the US for decades.

I have a feeling he carves out Canadian oil, and Smith knows that. She’s totally running with the issue of export taxes and hasn’t said anything about the tariffs. I think she was told that last weekend, and also told to keep her mouth shut.

So, here we are where she can push this “Alberta Agenda” and knows full well that she’s got that deal that has yet to be announced.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Sure...if it's 4 years in the future and the CPC has to answer for what their government has done, where Carney would the perfect candidate to go against the CPC's transgressions.

Campaigning against your own party's governing record while the same MPs you are criticizing are up for next election with you in a few months, is certainly a choice.

It was always going to be uphill for whoever ended up winning. But, if he drags the party more centrist, that’s a CPC problem. Just yesterday, Singh was creaking the door open to prop up the Liberals, and to me that would be another issue for the CPC (if Carney wins).

I think a Freeland win is a complete loss for the Liberals and she can’t distance herself from Trudeau.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Is it really hard to imagine? You have a Liberal party that has stayed in power dividing the country. You have provinces ahem Quebec that has said no pipelines in our backyard, while foreign oil floats up the St. Lawrence daily.

To me, like it or not (which I don't) this is just the end result of decades of frankly unfairness from various governments, especially the current one, and a few chosen provinces who don't really stand up for Alberta (at times demonize it) now upset.

We aren't a country. Have not been for a while. Its sad, and it can make you angry, but how on Earth is Smith in power and feels comfortable to say what she is saying. Oh and sorry "cause stupid" isn't a response.

and as a parting thought, what if our PM just stepped aside properly? Would Tarriffs be an actual threat? Or would Trump be happy to discuss with someone he respects? Just a thought.

Alberta's persecution complex (the wealthiest province in the country by a margin), is rather pathetic in my opinion. In this case, its expression is dangerous to the wellbeing on Canadians, Albertans and threatens our sovereignty as a country.

[Bunk]

On another note. Carney seems fine. I just have a hard time caring when he'd be PM for maybe a few months. There is just so much inertia for a change of party after 10 years of Liberal government, I can't see him being able to overcome it. PP will be PM - that's the way things swing back and forth it's almost inevitable.

[shotinthebacklund]

Its extremely clear, the understanding of what happens to this province within days of "turning off the taps" is lost.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I find it interesting that despite having this announcement in Edmonton he didn't have the only Edmonton MP introduce him but rather had the MP from Calgary come up.

Boissanault already endorsed Freeland. Carney went to high school here and his dad ran for office here, so I suspect that’s why here.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Its extremely clear, the understanding of what happens to this province within days of "turning off the taps" is lost.

No more double meat subs. Layoffs left and right. Deserted +15. Tumbleweeds in downtown. Rioting and looting.

[MelBridgeman]

The progressive socialist take on this situation is interesting one. Yesterday I thought the ideals of socialism, is why it fails over and over and over and over and over and over again. Today I realize the reason why socialism fails over and over and over and over again, is because of the people who believe in it!

Taking the L
Mel got mopped!

Team Smith 0 Team Canada 0

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Slava

I have a feeling he carves out Canadian oil, and Smith knows that. She’s totally running with the issue of export taxes and hasn’t said anything about the tariffs. I think she was told that last weekend, and also told to keep her mouth shut.

So, here we are where she can push this “Alberta Agenda” and knows full well that she’s got that deal that has yet to be announced.

I'd be shocked if she was told anything by the incoming administration. It doesn't sound like she was invited there; it seems like she tagged along with O'Leary for some photo ops and talked to Trump for maybe 5-10 minutes.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I'd be shocked if she was told anything by the incoming administration. It doesn't sound like she was invited there; it seems like she tagged along with O'Leary for some photo ops and talked to Trump for maybe 5-10 minutes.

Yeah, I get that. But all of her actions since suggest that she either knows the carve out is coming, or at least thinks it is. She hasn’t mentioned the tariffs at all (virtually), which gives me that impression.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Looch City

No more double meat subs. Layoffs left and right. Deserted +15. Tumbleweeds in downtown. Rioting and looting.

The good news is our gas prices are going to plummet. Free energy for everyone! Premium flowing from the fountains! Ski hills snow making with liquid energy!

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Firebot

It's Poilievre level, better than O'Toole. I don't see this as a detriment, where it was for O'Toole for example in the french debates.

O'Toole's french was much better. Slower, but better.