2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

There is some absolutely wild overconfidence in our prospects in this thread. I am also excited about our prospect pool... but we will be fortunate if 5 of our current prospects play in the NHL long term. Some of you have hand picked superstars in there... Jeesh.

I agree, some of these takes are nuts.

Zary is really good, still see him as a 2nd liner long term.

Coronato, I think he projects as a 2nd liner as well best case.

Wolf has been amazing, however I will caution people that goalies are very inconsistent at times. He can definitely be elite long term but it isn't a lock.

Parekh could be a franchise dman, or he could be a bust. We just don't know yet.

Pelletier could be an NHLer, or he may not be long term.

We certainly don't have any locks for a 1st line forward or dman with our young players. And truth being told I'd trade all of them for a Bedard or Celebrini without hesitation.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

To me, the long term contracts (8 years) need to be reserved for:

- promising young players (<25) on their second contracts
- elite core players (<28) that project to be top line or top D for majority of contract
- elite free agents (30 or younger) to augment your core only when you’re in your win now window

No exceptions. Rasmus doesnt fit this criteria and to me is clearly an asset you move.

I think some exceptions are warranted. If a guy like Jarnkrok had signed an 8 year deal at 25 instead of a 6 he still would’ve been good value through the entire life of the contract. Hell, he’ll basically have been on the same contract for 10 years next year and been good value for all 9 of them so far.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They traded Lindholm and Hanifin only after they rejected the Flames offer. Zadorov wanted way more term than the Flames were happy to give. Markstrom wanted out, and the Flames best prospect was a goaltender.

Andersson will likely only get traded next year if he rejects the Flames final offer.

Now the big difference is the Flames won't give whatever it takes to keep the player, there is always a set limit. But the Flames are trying to stay competitive within reason.

Yes, this was not some amazing plan by Conroy. We absolutely fluked into needing to trade these players who did not want to be here.

We almost signed Lindholm and Hanifin to long term crippling deals. I really don't think management should be getting credit for this plan, when it wasn't their plan at all.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Every team is trying to draft really, really well where they end up picking, lol. That's not a model.

Of course it is. Look at Vegas... they can't give their picks away fast enough in exchange for established talent. They have little interest in the draft.

Also the condescension can stop.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Seravelli is a huge Flyers fan. He hates the Penguins just like he loves the Oilers.

He is pretty biased when I watch him on Barn Burner. I am not surprised.

He was worse when Darryl Sutter was still around. I didn't understand why they would even let him go on Barn Burner just to rip on the Flames and boost the Oilers. I think part of it was being a journalist and not liking how Darryl interacted with the media. You could tell it was getting on their nerves a little bit.

He seems to have toned it down a little now.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Personally, I think the Mackenzie Weegar signing was a good one for the Flames, and he doesn't fall into your restrictive criteria.

Certainly looks good so far, but it has almost 7 years to go. Too early to say.

The reason you don’t do so is that the failure rate is very high at the end. Or even the middle. Yes, you may miss out on a good one, but perhaps you dodge 6 bad ones. Huberdeau for example.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They traded Lindholm and Hanifin only after they rejected the Flames offer. Zadorov wanted way more term than the Flames were happy to give. Markstrom wanted out, and the Flames best prospect was a goaltender.

Andersson will likely only get traded next year if he rejects the Flames final offer.

Now the big difference is the Flames won't give whatever it takes to keep the player, there is always a set limit. But the Flames are trying to stay competitive within reason.

Sure, but they didn’t really try replacing any of them in a serious way. I still don’t really buy trying to be competitive with the Markstrom trade and cap space.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Certainly looks good so far, but it has almost 7 years to go. Too early to say.

The reason you don’t do so is that the failure rate is very high at the end. Or even the middle. Yes, you may miss out on a good one, but perhaps you dodge 6 bad ones. Huberdeau for example.

That’s not a reason not to do it at all. It’s just a reason to do it intelligently.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I agree, some of these takes are nuts.

Zary is really good, still see him as a 2nd liner long term.

Coronato, I think he projects as a 2nd liner as well best case.

Wolf has been amazing, however I will caution people that goalies are very inconsistent at times. He can definitely be elite long term but it isn't a lock.

Parekh could be a franchise dman, or he could be a bust. We just don't know yet.

Pelletier could be an NHLer, or he may not be long term.

We certainly don't have any locks for a 1st line forward or dman with our young players. And truth being told I'd trade all of them for a Bedard or Celebrini without hesitation.

Yeah definitely some if not most wont turn into much.

But its very unlikely to miss on all of them.

We might not have 100+ pt guy in the system, but maybe we do.

And we probably have atleast one ppg player in the system that hasn't gotten there. A player like Coronato could easily be this in 2 years.

The question is if all we get is Thomas and Kyrou caliber guys and not Makar and Kucherovs, is it enough?

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Nemec unhappy with the Devils

https://twitter.com/user/status/1879913515965919538

Can you blame him?

The Devils have Hamilton, Pesce, Siegenthaler, and Dillon locked-up long-term. Hughes is their future star dman. Kovacevic is ahead of him on the depth chart and playing ~20 mins ATOI. Then he has to compete with Casey as the #1 in Utica and the Devils also have Silayev in the system.

Hopefully Nemec requests a trade and Conroy can pry him out of NJ.

[zukes]

I don't get the trade Andersson stuff either. He is a low end #1 or high end #2 defenseman in the league. 100% a top pairing defenseman (meaning probably between 20-50th best defenseman in the league). He is 27 all year this year. His contract would kick in before his 29th birthday. He is not a big bruising lumbering defenseman. Defenseman also age better than forwards in many cases and can change their game to suit their diminishing offensive skills.

I would love a 6 year contract as even at 34 and 35 I see him still being at the very least useful, if not still very good.

Trading him for a package of magic beans might produce another Andersson, or it can turn into the Iginla return.

To me, when you have a player that is good, says he wants to be here, works in your system, seems to be the type that will age well and thus be relevant when we are potentially a contender, you SIGN that player to an extension!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by boogerz

Can you blame him?

The Devils have Hamilton, Pesce, Siegenthaler, and Dillon locked-up long-term. Hughes is their future star dman. Kovacevic is ahead of him on the depth chart and playing ~20 mins ATOI. Then he has to compete with Casey as the #1 in Utica and the Devils also have Silayev in the system.

Hopefully Nemec requests a trade and Conroy can pry him out of NJ.

I think Nemec is great. But any capital the Flames have needs to be used to improve the forward prospects where things are very thin.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by zukes

I don't get the trade Andersson stuff either. He is a low end #1 or high end #2 defenseman in the league. 100% a top pairing defenseman (meaning probably between 20-50th best defenseman in the league). He is 27 all year this year. His contract would kick in before his 29th birthday. He is not a big bruising lumbering defenseman. Defenseman also age better than forwards in many cases and can change their game to suit their diminishing offensive skills.

I would love a 6 year contract as even at 34 and 35 I see him still being at the very least useful, if not still very good.

Trading him for a package of magic beans might produce another Andersson, or it can turn into the Iginla return.

To me, when you have a player that is good, says he wants to be here, works in your system, seems to be the type that will age well and thus be relevant when we are potentially a contender, you SIGN that player to an extension!

Another problem is that a lot of these magic beans the Flames have need time in the NHL to develop properly. There's a backlog now, with things only likely to get worse. The Flames already have a stockpile of draft picks, that are likely to be later round picks, requiring development time.

I'd move Andersson for a high end centre prospect/young player, but a lot of other moves don't make sense.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by boogerz

Can you blame him?

The Devils have Hamilton, Pesce, Siegenthaler, and Dillon locked-up long-term. Hughes is their future star dman. Kovacevic is ahead of him on the depth chart and playing ~20 mins ATOI. Then he has to compete with Casey as the #1 in Utica and the Devils also have Silayev in the system.

Hopefully Nemec requests a trade and Conroy can pry him out of NJ.

He’s exactly the kind of asset the Flames could use to boost the rebuild, but I don’t know if we have the assets. If Nemec is dealt, it will probably only be for another blue-chip young player/prospect, like the Gauthier-Drysdale deal. But you never know - maybe Coleman and a pick would get it done.

[Toast_Man]

Originally Posted by zukes

I don't get the trade Andersson stuff either. He is a low end #1 or high end #2 defenseman in the league. 100% a top pairing defenseman (meaning probably between 20-50th best defenseman in the league). He is 27 all year this year. His contract would kick in before his 29th birthday. He is not a big bruising lumbering defenseman. Defenseman also age better than forwards in many cases and can change their game to suit their diminishing offensive skills.

I would love a 6 year contract as even at 34 and 35 I see him still being at the very least useful, if not still very good.

Trading him for a package of magic beans might produce another Andersson, or it can turn into the Iginla return.

To me, when you have a player that is good, says he wants to be here, works in your system, seems to be the type that will age well and thus be relevant when we are potentially a contender, you SIGN that player to an extension!

The Flames already have 4 or 5 high skill D in the system that will be competing for Andersson's spot in a year or two. Parekh, Mews, Morin, Brzustewicz, and maybe even Poirier. I don't' see the point of signing Andersson to a long term contract if he's going to be blocking young talent.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think some exceptions are warranted. If a guy like Jarnkrok had signed an 8 year deal at 25 instead of a 6 he still would’ve been good value through the entire life of the contract. Hell, he’ll basically have been on the same contract for 10 years next year and been good value for all 9 of them so far.

Well, wouldn't this illustrate that he needn't be signed to a long term contract, if he's been good value without one?

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Personally, I think the Mackenzie Weegar signing was a good one for the Flames, and he doesn't fall into your restrictive criteria.

I'm generally on board, from an asset management perspective, with trading Andersson. But there's a lot more to building a team than only asset management (although it's important).

I'm good either way at this point.

Arguably he'd fall into the third category, since at the time the team was very much operating win now and he was a pending free agent.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by zukes

I don't get the trade Andersson stuff either. He is a low end #1 or high end #2 defenseman in the league. 100% a top pairing defenseman (meaning probably between 20-50th best defenseman in the league). He is 27 all year this year. His contract would kick in before his 29th birthday. He is not a big bruising lumbering defenseman. Defenseman also age better than forwards in many cases and can change their game to suit their diminishing offensive skills.

I would love a 6 year contract as even at 34 and 35 I see him still being at the very least useful, if not still very good.

Trading him for a package of magic beans might produce another Andersson, or it can turn into the Iginla return.

To me, when you have a player that is good, says he wants to be here, works in your system, seems to be the type that will age well and thus be relevant when we are potentially a contender, you SIGN that player to an extension!

I don’t think you have to worry.

GMCC says he is looking for deals that help us now and in the future.

Flames need an age matched Centre and more picks.

Until that’s offered, he has no pressing decision to make on Ras.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toast_Man

The Flames already have 4 or 5 high skill D in the system that will be competing for Andersson's spot in a year or two. Parekh, Mews, Morin, Brzustewicz, and maybe even Poirier. I don't' see the point of signing Andersson to a long term contract if he's going to be blocking young talent.

I think trading Andersson is the right move but Flames would be lucky if two of those guys were top 4 dmen in two to three years.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s not a reason not to do it at all. It’s just a reason to do it intelligently.

Exactly. I feel the Weegar one is a smart call. I think Andersson, depending on the AAV, could be smart as well.

I'd also be okay with trading Andersson if the team gets blown away by an offer or if they can't figure something out this summer, but teams need to take some risks.