2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The Dallas model includes winning the lottery from a distance and moving up.

I'm not the biggest believer in the Dallas model anyways. They never won a cup and can't win the big games.

I just look at all the cup winners and there is a clear pattern that tanking is the best way to win it all. Even if it's annoying that this is what it takes to get the elite talent needed.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Dallas picked Heiskanen with the 3rd pick. So they did draft right at the top anyway.

But I would say both teams have had equal success over the past few years. Neither has won a cup, and both have made some conference and cup finals.

Dallas also won a lottery to move up 5 spots to 3rd. They got lucky, but if they didn't win the lottery would they be considered a tanking team?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The Dallas model includes winning the lottery from a distance and moving up.

They also have really strong drafting. Carolina is a team that has drafted well and built a good team but haven't got over the hump.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

"Tanking works as often as anything else".

Literally 14 of the last 15 cup winners tanked. And the other had Eichel begging to be traded to their team before they won.

Tanking absolutely does work. History shows that it is pretty much the only way to win a cup lately.

What is your definition of tanking? Tanking for me is a deliberate strategy to sink to the bottom of the standings. I'm not sure 14 of the 15 last cup winners did that.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I just look at all the cup winners and there is a clear pattern that tanking is the best way to win it all. Even if it's annoying that this is what it takes to get the elite talent needed.

I think strong management is the most important piece. Cup winners have been teams that have supplemented their teams with smart trades. The funniest part of all this is that Conroy set the team up to get a top 5 pick and so far has been pretty strong on the management and trade side. I am pretty optimistic

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What is your definition of tanking? Tanking for me is a deliberate strategy to sink to the bottom of the standings. I'm not sure 14 of the 15 last cup winners did that.

Look at the cup winners. Every one of them except Boston and Vegas have tanked. And Boston got the 2 pick and Vegas had top 3 players begging to join them, so they are an exception.

And Chicago and San Jose tanked. They still aren't good but now they have game breaking talent needed to win a cup. And I'm sure one of those 2 will win a cup now in the next 10 years.

[Bingo]

This article may be correct, but it seems oddly personal (attacking) from Seravelli (on Dubas)

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/tr...gh-penguins-gm

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Look at the cup winners. Every one of them except Boston and Vegas have tanked. And Boston got the 2 pick and Vegas had top 3 players begging to join them, so they are an exception.

And Chicago and San Jose tanked. They still aren't good but now they have game breaking talent needed to win a cup. And I'm sure one of those 2 will win a cup now in the next 10 years.

There is a difference between deliberately tanking and just being bad. Chicago re-tanked after being bad to get Bedard and San Jose was just bad. Feels like San Jose has the leg up early on.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Bingo

This article may be correct, but it seems oddly personal (attacking) from Seravelli (on Dubas)

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/tr...gh-penguins-gm

Seravelli is a huge Flyers fan. He hates the Penguins just like he loves the Oilers.

He is pretty biased when I watch him on Barn Burner. I am not surprised.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Seravelli is a huge Flyers fan. He hates the Penguins just like he loves the Oilers.

He is pretty biased when I watch him on Barn Burner. I am not surprised.

Seravelli also thinks Flames fans should cheer for Edmonton, and Canadian hockey fans should cheer for the Americans. TMZ is a weird guy.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Look at the cup winners. Every one of them except Boston and Vegas have tanked. And Boston got the 2 pick and Vegas had top 3 players begging to join them, so they are an exception.

And Chicago and San Jose tanked. They still aren't good but now they have game breaking talent needed to win a cup. And I'm sure one of those 2 will win a cup now in the next 10 years.

You didn't answer my question.
What is your definition of tanking.

[Monahammer]

There is some absolutely wild overconfidence in our prospects in this thread. I am also excited about our prospect pool... but we will be fortunate if 5 of our current prospects play in the NHL long term. Some of you have hand picked superstars in there... Jeesh.

[Monahammer]

Jiri, yesterday you said you think the flames worst years are still ahead of them. If you truly believe that, then why isn't your desire to see them maximize value as much as possible now to reduce the time in the "worst years" by loading up the chamber with as many assets as possible?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Jiri, yesterday you said you think the flames worst years are still ahead of them. If you truly believe that, then why isn't your desire to see them maximize value as much as possible now to reduce the time in the "worst years" by loading up the chamber with as many assets as possible?

I've never said that.
I believe they should trade Andersson sometime between now and next season.
I don't understand the POV that if he isn't traded before the deadline it's some sort of disaster.
Beyond Andersson I don't know who else we are talking about.
And what I fail to also understand is what the pro-tanking crowd thinks the Flames should be doing differently to guarantee a lower finish in the standings. That's another question I've asked that hasn't been answered at all.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So you agree that the Dallas “model” works as well as the Edmonton “model”?

Dallas isn't a model.

There is no one team to follow, everyones rebuild took a different path. You can have a bunch of randomness happen also, like we are seeing with us this year in a playoff spot, or you could have a team have players have bad years or injuries when they are in a contention window and fall out of the playoffs.

They key is stick to the plan and don't let a random season change your path. Contenders don't rip their team about and start rebuilding when they miss because of a bad year, and rebuilding teams shouldn't start adding when they have a year in which they are in a playoff position. Stick to the path move vets out keep adding assets and don't make any dumb now trades.

The Flames rebuild last time saw a playoff appearance and Treliving went into the 2015 draft and made a now move and we ended up picking 6th in the 16 drafts. If you believe what is out there, he had a deal to send #6 for Ben Bishop but Edwards was sailing the seas. The team makes the playoffs off the backs of a 10-game win streak in March and Treliving again goes all in with one of the worst trades ever sending 1st and 2 2nds for Hamonic. We end up missing the playoffs.

Likely why rebuilds in Canada don't work. Impatient fans and ownership with the first sign of a progress.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I've never said that.
I believe they should trade Andersson sometime between now and next season.
I don't understand the POV that if he isn't traded before the deadline it's some sort of disaster.
Beyond Andersson I don't know who else we are talking about.
And what I fail to also understand is what the pro-tanking crowd thinks the Flames should be doing differently to guarantee a lower finish in the standings. That's another question I've asked that hasn't been answered at all.

Yep ... and I've asked it too.

Traded 6 UFAs
Traded a number goaltender 2 years before contract expiration
Went into the season with $20M of cap space
Went into the season with two relatively inexperienced goaltenders, and a very thin blueline

This wasn't a playoff team plan.

They've played better than expected, and with that (I think) deserve a chance to play it out.

I'm hoping they don't do something silly to bolster it. I'd honestly be fine with a depth add for a late round pick (cringingly), but nothing more substantive.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yep ... and I've asked it too.

Traded 6 UFAs
Traded a number goaltender 2 years before contract expiration
Went into the season with $20M of cap space
Went into the season with two relatively inexperienced goaltenders, and a very thin blueline

This wasn't a playoff team plan.

They've played better than expected, and with that (I think) deserve a chance to play it out.

I'm hoping they don't do something silly to bolster it. I'd honestly be fine with a depth add for a late round pick (cringingly), but nothing more substantive.

Perfectly stated

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm hoping they don't do something silly to bolster it. I'd honestly be fine with a depth add for a late round pick (cringingly), but nothing more substantive.

Agree on the rest but I am hoping they don't even do that just because it would really show they are staying the course.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Seravelli also thinks Flames fans should cheer for Edmonton, and Canadian hockey fans should cheer for the Americans. TMZ is a weird guy.

Has anyone asked him if he'd cheer the Penguins if they were in the Finals against a Canadian team?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Groot

We have the potential equivalent of their lottery win selection in Zayne Parekh

I think he is a top talent as well, let's see what happens.

Still think we need 3-4 elite players to be a contender and that is why I don't think Dallas is currently.