2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

By your logic should used Edmonton as well. 2 WCF and a SCF. Do you want to follow that model.

[dino7c]

Dallas are cup contenders...of all things to argue lol

I say again, this guy

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

By your logic should used Edmonton as well. 2 WCF and a SCF. Do you want to follow that model.

I never said follow that model or any model, I simply posted facts and comparatives as people in the topic were talking about Dallas.

But your passive aggressivene nature and condescending tone when anyone posts anything that doesn't suit your narrative is absurd.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I still think there is a strong possibility that the worst years, standings wise, still lie ahead. I believe that in the stretch of 2026-2029 this team will be drafting early in the 1st.

I agree with this. For the fans that are depressed that the flames are winning this year I think there are years of losing ahead of us that they can cherish. It seems likely that the Flames become worse longterm before being competitive in the early 2030’s.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Groot

I never said follow that model or any model, I simply posted facts and comparatives as people in the topic were talking about Dallas.

But your passive aggressivene nature and condescending tone when anyone posts anything that doesn't suit your narrative is absurd.

Dallas also won a lottery you left that part out as well.

Even the anti rebuild agreed well most that Dallas isn’t a model.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Groot

I never said follow that model or any model, I simply posted facts and comparatives as people in the topic were talking about Dallas.

But your passive aggressivene nature and condescending tone when anyone posts anything that doesn't suit your narrative is absurd.

There is only one model and that is sucking hard.

Vegas, Dallas, Boston, Winnipeg, Carolina, Minnesota have too many variables to make them viable models to follow.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I agree with this. For the fans that are depressed that the flames are winning this year I think there are years of losing ahead of us that they can cherish. It seems likely that the Flames become worse longterm before being competitive in the early 2030’s.

Stop making #### up. No one is depressed the Flames are winning.

People are just realistic we need elite talent to contend and not be your model Sutter hope and pray for 9th with trades and free agency.

Sure we can get 40 win and just miss yay.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Dallas also won a lottery you left that part out as well.

Even the anti rebuild agreed well most that Dallas isn’t a model.

We have the potential equivalent of their lottery win selection in Zayne Parekh

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

There is only one model and that is sucking hard.

Vegas, Dallas, Boston, Winnipeg, Carolina, Minnesota have too many variables to make them viable models to follow.

There is no viable model to follow. This happens all the time in the NHL. A few teams with win a certain way and then that’s the model, and then when the teams chasing that model finally have it figured the winners are using a different model.

The model is: you have to have good to great players playing great, a good coach, competent GM, and most of all: an extreme amount of luck that you have almost no control over.

That’s the model. Good luck!

[dino7c]

Jets drafted top 5 one time and that guy isn't on the team...they seem to be a good team that didn't follow the throw games for a decade "model"

[traptor]

I'm excited to see what Conroy's first "building" trade looks like. Because to me that is when he will really leave his mark.

You have to use as many pipelines as you can to acquire talent.
We've been good so far with the development pipeline.
I don't know if we'll get any talent from the top of the draft pipeline this time around.

It will be fascinating to see how Conroy puts this together this team and acquires talent without that pipeline.

Even in the last iteration, which some say we rushed the rebuild, we had Bennett, Monahan, and Chucky from the early parts of the draft.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Jets drafted top 5 one time and that guy isn't on the team...they seem to be a good team that didn't follow the throw games for a decade "model"

And the Jets have zero chance to win the cup every year.

They have an amazing goalie, are average to good during the regular season, and then lose first round every year.

The Jets are absolutely not a model that you should be striving to be. Not a cup contender.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

How about the Flames create their own model that future teams will attempt to emulate?

The model being to never stop pushing a winning culture for top picks and just drafting really, really well wherever you end up picking.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

And the Jets have zero chance to win the cup every year.

They have an amazing goalie, are average to good during the regular season, and then lose first round every year.

The Jets are absolutely not a model that you should be striving to be. Not a cup contender.

They are currently 1st overall...it is true they have to do it in the playoffs but it only takes one run.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by traptor

I'm excited to see what Conroy's first "building" trade looks like. Because to me that is when he will really leave his mark.

You have to use as many pipelines as you can to acquire talent.
We've been good so far with the development pipeline.
I don't know if we'll get any talent from the top of the draft pipeline this time around.

It will be fascinating to see how Conroy puts this together this team and acquires talent without that pipeline.

Even in the last iteration, which some say we rushed the rebuild, we had Bennett, Monahan, and Chucky from the early parts of the draft.

When the Flames last won the division and were IMO a realistic threat (If Markstrom and injuries didn't F things up) only Tkachuk was in the lineup.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

And the Jets have zero chance to win the cup every year.

They have an amazing goalie, are average to good during the regular season, and then lose first round every year.

The Jets are absolutely not a model that you should be striving to be. Not a cup contender.

Really? the team that has a divisional playoff spot every year. Hovering around 1st in the west this year. One of the few cities that has the same geographic handicap Calgary does and always seems to leverage these guys who want out into favourable trades that keeps the team competitive. No we shouldn't emulate that at all. There's some secret better method we can follow?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

How about the Flames create their own model that future teams will attempt to emulate?

The model being to never stop pushing a winning culture for top picks and just drafting really, really well wherever you end up picking.

Every team is trying to draft really, really well where they end up picking, lol. That's not a model.

[dino7c]

Throwing games and winning lotteries also isn't a model.

Flames have 4 firsts the next 2 years...they are giving themselves more chances to draft well

[Rhett44]

I don't have the answers of what model to follow. I just know that "tanking" and getting elite players in the draft is the best way to win a Stanley Cup.

Can you ask your players to tank? No. But is the only way to win a cup by tanking and getting elite players? Recent history says yes.

It's just a frustrating position to be in. I don't have the answers.

And to people who say tanking didn't work in Edmonton... if that team had management with even half a brain cell they have at least one cup by now with McDavid and Draisaitl. But thank God they surrounded them with absolutely no help for the last decade.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Throwing games and winning lotteries also isn't a model.

Flames have 4 firsts the next 2 years...they are giving themselves more chances to draft well

It’s all a game. There is the game on the ice where players of one team try to score more goals than the other team. But then there is the game off the ice where managers and executives take a macro approach to build teams that best put the on ice team in a position to succeed. Some times that means sacrificing on ice results in the shorter term in order to give the future team better chances.