2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Groot

We have the potential equivalent of their lottery win selection in Zayne Parekh

Every prospect has potential. Parekh certainly has that potential as well, but he was drafted #9 due to concerns about his defence at the NHL level. So, there is some risk. Historically, top 3 picks come with less risk.

But yes, Parekh could become Calgary's #1 dman. His potential is quite huge.

[All In Good Time]

So we are all in agreement with the EA culture model?
Teach/encourage losing for 4 or 5 years and win a lottery or 3?

[Jason14h]

How did it not work for Edmonton?

They made game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals and are currently 4th overall in the NHL

It took longer but even with incompetence everywhere else it DID work . They are now a cup contender year in and year out

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

How did it not work for Edmonton?

They made game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals and are currently 4th overall in the NHL

It took longer but even with incompetence everywhere else it DID work . They are now a cup contender year in and year out

The odds of getting a #1 overall pick are low. Then the odds of hitting a McDavid level player with that pick are low.

Let's also keep in mind that it took Edmonton four first overall picks to hit McDavid. Even then, they've changed the draft rules, so you can't emulate that failure if you wanted to.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by blankall

The odds of getting a #1 overall pick are low. Then the odds of hitting a McDavid level player with that pick are low.

Let's also keep in mind that it took Edmonton four first overall picks to hit McDavid. Even then, they've changed the draft rules, so you can't emulate that failure if you wanted to.

Those are huge, seemingly forgotten points surprisingly
Plus
The truth is, this market won’t survive 4 or 5 years of misery

[Bonded]

The Flames will survive four to five bad years of hockey and should fold if they can't.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Those are huge, seemingly forgotten points surprisingly
Plus
The truth is, this market won’t survive 4 or 5 years of misery

Why would this market not survive 4 or 5 years of misery?

We survived 20 years of mediocrity and not being a cup contender. I'm sure we can wait a few more.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

There is no viable model to follow. This happens all the time in the NHL. A few teams with win a certain way and then that’s the model, and then when the teams chasing that model finally have it figured the winners are using a different model.

The model is: you have to have good to great players playing great, a good coach, competent GM, and most of all: an extreme amount of luck that you have almost no control over.

That’s the model. Good luck!

Excellent post! Tanking works as often as anything else. I find it hilarious that people think one way or another is "the" model. History is littered with all kinds of methods to win a Cup. The most surefire thing is hit on your picks, regardless of where you draft.

You play the game to win and the NHL is an entertainment business. I am glad we aren't watching a scorched earth rebuild. In fact, I'm being entertained by the wins and am enjoying this team proving people wrong.

If they end up in 17th overall and miss the playoffs by 1 point, so be it. Draft the best with Florida's pick and the others. Keep moving anyone who doesn't want to be here. Get the youngsters signed, sign Rasmus and keep adding to the core.

Under no circumstances do I want them to start trading for rentals. I am okay if they are able to weaponize their cap space and take on a bad contract or two (who like Huberdeau, may be overpaid, but still a plus on the ice for this team) if there are other future assets coming as well.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by blankall

The odds of getting a #1 overall pick are low. Then the odds of hitting a McDavid level player with that pick are low.

Let's also keep in mind that it took Edmonton four first overall picks to hit McDavid. Even then, they've changed the draft rules, so you can't emulate that failure if you wanted to.

The statement was it didn’t work . It did

It took a decade but it did work .

Is tank for a McDavid a good strategy ? Well it’s a once a decade player so no . But people keep saying it didn’t work for Edmonton and it absolutely did

They got the leagues 2nd and 4th leading scorers with a 1st overall and 4th overall pick

[TOfan]

Bit of a change of topic but something I’ve been mulling over the past few days.

Adding without selling.

I’ll be curious to see if the Flames will be able to help broker some deals by way of acting as a third party ‘bank’. Can the Flames add picks by way of being a third party retention source. Initially I thought the Flames would retain on Mantha and Kuzmenko but one is certainly off the board and the other seems very unlikely.

Just off the top of my head, if Hall is getting traded, is there opportunity for the Flames to scoop a pick? I think these might be the only deals we see from the Flames this deadline. None of their own UFA’s seem to be all that enticing got other teams and I think this recent talk of Andersson being traded before the TDL is wishful thinking.

[Rhett44]

"Tanking works as often as anything else".

Literally 14 of the last 15 cup winners tanked. And the other had Eichel begging to be traded to their team before they won.

Tanking absolutely does work. History shows that it is pretty much the only way to win a cup lately.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The statement was it didn’t work . It did

It took a decade but it did work .

Is tank for a McDavid a good strategy ? Well it’s a once a decade player so no . But people keep saying it didn’t work for Edmonton and it absolutely did

They got the leagues 2nd and 4th leading scorers with a 1st overall and 4th overall pick

Which statement was that? I saw a post saying it wasn’t a model but which one said it didn’t work?

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The statement was it didn’t work . It did

It took a decade but it did work .

Is tank for a McDavid a good strategy ? Well it’s a once a decade player so no . But people keep saying it didn’t work for Edmonton and it absolutely did

They got the leagues 2nd and 4th leading scorers with a 1st overall and 4th overall pick

People have weird narratives around here too.

I have seen people claim that the Dallas method works because they are a contender year after year, but they have come close and never won a cup.

Then these same people will say Edmonton shows that tanking doesn't work. Yet Edmonton has had the same success as Dallas, won a bunch of playoff series but never won the cup.

You can't have it both ways. Either they both are contenders or they both are not.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

People have weird narratives around here too.

I have seen people claim that the Dallas method works because they are a contender year after year, but they have come close and never won a cup.

Then these same people will say Edmonton shows that tanking doesn't work. Yet Edmonton has had the same success as Dallas, won a bunch of playoff series but never won the cup.

You can't have it both ways. Either they both are contenders or they both are not.

So you agree that the Dallas “model” works as well as the Edmonton “model”?

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

How did it not work for Edmonton?

They made game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals and are currently 4th overall in the NHL

It took longer but even with incompetence everywhere else it DID work . They are now a cup contender year in and year out

Yes, let’s miss the playoffs for 12 years. Good plan. The only way to get what the Oilers have now, is incompetence. I’d rather not have an organization ran by clowns.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So you agree that the Dallas “model” works as well as the Edmonton “model”?

Dallas picked Heiskanen with the 3rd pick. So they did draft right at the top anyway.

But I would say both teams have had equal success over the past few years. Neither has won a cup, and both have made some conference and cup finals.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Bit of a change of topic but something I’ve been mulling over the past few days.

Adding without selling.

I’ll be curious to see if the Flames will be able to help broker some deals by way of acting as a third party ‘bank’. Can the Flames add picks by way of being a third party retention source. Initially I thought the Flames would retain on Mantha and Kuzmenko but one is certainly off the board and the other seems very unlikely.

Just off the top of my head, if Hall is getting traded, is there opportunity for the Flames to scoop a pick? I think these might be the only deals we see from the Flames this deadline. None of their own UFA’s seem to be all that enticing got other teams and I think this recent talk of Andersson being traded before the TDL is wishful thinking.

Posters have been talking about weaponizing their cap space and they haven't really done it yet on any third party deal.


If Hall is traded, Chicago can easily retain, although they have only one space left this year. Calgary has 2 spaces left this year and next (Markstrom).

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Dallas picked Heiskanen with the 3rd pick. So they did draft right at the top anyway.

But I would say both teams have had equal success over the past few years. Neither has won a cup, and both have made some conference and cup finals.

The Dallas model includes winning the lottery from a distance and moving up.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

People have weird narratives around here too.

I have seen people claim that the Dallas method works because they are a contender year after year, but they have come close and never won a cup.

Then these same people will say Edmonton shows that tanking doesn't work. Yet Edmonton has had the same success as Dallas, won a bunch of playoff series but never won the cup.

You can't have it both ways. Either they both are contenders or they both are not.

The saving grace with Edmonton is their terrible management which led to their continued string of picking 1st overall. They didn't purposefully tank, they just ended up there. McDavid probably has a few cups if the Oilers' management wasn't so terrible.

San Jose vs Chicago will be interesting to watch. San Jose fell into their rebuild and Chicago tried to tank for Bedard.

[SuperMatt18]

Edmonton is an example of both it working and not working IMO, and why luck is a big factor too.

If Edmonton just had Hall, Yakupov, and RNH they would be an example of a team with 3 1st overall picks never winning a Stanley Cup with that core.

But then they got a freebie when they won the lottery for McDavid. And got Draisaitl 3rd overall too.

And even with the Oilers being a "success" at this point, they are still a perfect example that picking early doesn't guarantee anything.

They had 11 top 10 picks in a 13 year stretch, that included 4 number 1 picks and 6 top 5 picks.

2007: 6 - Gagner
2009: 10 - Paajarvi
2010: 1 - Hall
2011: 1 - RNH
2012: 1 - Yakupov
2013: 7 - Nurse
2014: 3 - Draisatil
2015: 1 - McDavid
2016: 4 - Puljujarvi
2018: 10 - Bouchard
2019: 8 - Broberg

I still think it's actually embarassing this Oilers team hasn't won a cup, and even if they don't end up winning multiple cups it's still one of the biggest mis-managements of assets in NHL history.

No other team was given this level of assets in the draft to build a winner ever in NHL history IMO.