Dustin Wolf discussion thread

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That's going full Oiler fan. And you never go full Oiler fan.

He's been immediately the best goalie in whatever league he's stepped foot into.

He already leads all NHL goalies (20GP) in 5v5 SV% as a rookie dragging a [mostly] talentless team from the bottom of the standings.

He leads all NHL goalies (20GP) in GSAA/60, and is 3rd in HDGSAA/60.

There's already an argument to be made that he's a top 5 goalie in the NHL, and that still might be a little insulting to Wolf.

It's at the point where Wolf has to prove his believers wrong, not his doubters.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BigThief

No one is saying less data is better. The idea is Wolf is the kind of player you take the risk on with term and money.

And I would suggest they will...when they are allowed too.

You dont, however, pay him more than a 2 time Vezina winner based on a sample size of 40 NHL hockey games.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by BigThief

No one is saying less data is better. The idea is Wolf is the kind of player you take the risk on with term and money.

He’s a RFA in the offseason the CBA expires might be our last shot to get him signed for 8 years you gotta do it. These guys are getting paid early and young someone people need to deal with in.

Some teams over pay players after a shooting % heater and people here want to trade for them when they come back to earth.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Who is the 4th?

right now? Calgary its Lemelin then Markstrom
Flames total Dan Bouchard

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by transplant99

And I would suggest they will...when they are allowed too.

You dont, however, pay him more than a 2 time Vezina winner based on a sample size of 40 NHL hockey games.

What year was that 2x Vezina signed? Any contract older than two years really losing merit. The cap is rising, contracts are rising. Accept it

[Jiri Hrdina]

One risk with Wolf is does he continue to perform as shooters develop a book about him around the league, including identifying any weaknesses. And can he then adjust.
That’s one of the reasons for giving it more time before signing a long-term deal. We’ve seen goalies come in, perform, and then once a weakness is found it is exploited.
Do I think that will happen with Wolf? No. But it’s a risk.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

One risk with Wolf is does he continue to perform as shooters develop a book about him around the league, including identifying any weaknesses. And can he then adjust.
That’s one of the reasons for giving it more time before signing a long-term deal. We’ve seen goalies come in, perform, and then once a weakness is found it is exploited.
Do I think that will happen with Wolf? No. But it’s a risk.

For sure, but that would have happened in any league or any level he has been on, and never has yet! Assuming he has a book that isn't also being constantly updated and developed!

Kids a beast.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

For sure, but that would have happened in any league or any level he has been on, and never has yet! Assuming he has a book that isn't also being constantly updated and developed!

Kids a beast.

I agree that it has never happened, but that doesn't mean it won't at the NHL level because the skill level is so high.
BSD looked good until shooters realized they could beat him over the shoulder.
EDIT: Not comparing Wolf to BSD, just an illustrative example.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I agree that it has never happened, but that doesn't mean it won't at the NHL level because the skill level is so high.
BSD looked good until shooters realized they could beat him over the shoulder.
EDIT: Not comparing Wolf to BSD, just an illustrative example.

Oh for sure. BSD never had Wolf's pedigree nor his historical numbers. So it makes me feel very positive.

Of course, who knows!

Awooooooooooo!

Edit: We need a wolf Emoji!

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I agree that it has never happened, but that doesn't mean it won't at the NHL level because the skill level is so high.
BSD looked good until shooters realized they could beat him over the shoulder.
EDIT: Not comparing Wolf to BSD, just an illustrative example.

Ummmm over the shoulder isn't a weakness, it's a prime spot to shoot on any goalie in tight, kind of like low stick inside the post. Problem with BSD is that he was never very good fundamentally and has average reflexes.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BigThief

What year was that 2x Vezina signed? Any contract older than two years really losing merit. The cap is rising, contracts are rising. Accept it

It was signed 1 year ago at 8.5M for 7 years.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Ummmm over the shoulder isn't a weakness, it's a prime spot to shoot on any goalie in tight, kind of like low stick inside the post. Problem with BSD is that he was never very good fundamentally and has average reflexes.

He got beat from distance up there though

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It was signed 1 year ago at 8.5M for 7 years.

Yeah, a 30 year old goalie who makes 10 in his first year and 6 in his last, signed during a stagnant cap. Like.. that comparison is already out the window. The cap is going up, players salaries are going up, and Wolf will be 25 when a new contract kicks in, it's the absolute right time to sign him ASAP to a long term deal.

Take the risk.

[Groot]

Oettinger signed a 8x$8.25 contract October 2024 that takes effect the 25/26 season. Why should Wolf earn more than Oettinger when he hasn't nearly proven himself the way that Oettinger has?

I agree that you lock him up longterm but Oettinger should be the comparable they're looking at.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

He's been immediately the best goalie in whatever league he's stepped foot into.

He already leads all NHL goalies (20GP) in 5v5 SV% as a rookie dragging a [mostly] talentless team from the bottom of the standings.

He leads all NHL goalies (20GP) in GSAA/60, and is 3rd in HDGSAA/60.

There's already an argument to be made that he's a top 5 goalie in the NHL, and that still might be a little insulting to Wolf.

It's at the point where Wolf has to prove his believers wrong, not his doubters.

Where are you getting your stats?
He’s not even top5, 5on5 sv%, on this site. https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask?q=n...entage+leaders

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Where are you getting your stats?
He’s not even top5, 5on5 sv%, on this site. https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask?q=n...entage+leaders

That site seems kind of janky, it looks like it’s pulling just overall SV%?

NHL.com has him second behind Helle.

.935 Even Strength SV%. Wow.

Sign the man! … (on July 1st to a max term contract at the lowest dollar figure he will happily accept but if it’s 10M then boo hoo sorry to the goalies who had to work harder to get that contract nobody cares about you anymore).

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Where are you getting your stats?
He’s not even top5, 5on5 sv%, on this site. https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask?q=n...entage+leaders

NaturalStatTrick

- 1st among goalies (min 20GP) in 5v5 SV%
- 2nd best 5v5 GAA
- 3rd best 5v5 High Danger Save Percentage

He's incredible.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

One risk with Wolf is does he continue to perform as shooters develop a book about him around the league, including identifying any weaknesses. And can he then adjust.
That’s one of the reasons for giving it more time before signing a long-term deal. We’ve seen goalies come in, perform, and then once a weakness is found it is exploited.
Do I think that will happen with Wolf? No. But it’s a risk.

I think it is a certainty that it will happen (a book being built on him, and exploited, as the NHL does with all goalies). The only question is: how well will Wolf respond?

[PepsiFree]

I don’t think “books” on players really matter. Game moves too fast. Wolf doesn’t have any weak spots. He plays exceptionally well most of the time and has the odd disaster game, like Kipper.

I’m sure everyone knows what McDavid, MacKinnon, Hellebyuck, Ovechkin etc are going to do and how they do it. But would you look at that… they just continue doing it anyway.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t think “books” on players really matter. Game moves too fast. Wolf doesn’t have any weak spots. He plays exceptionally well most of the time and has the odd disaster game, like Kipper.

I’m sure everyone knows what McDavid, MacKinnon, Hellebyuck, Ovechkin etc are going to do and how they do it. But would you look at that… they just continue doing it anyway.

Yes, but that's the point I made with Wolf, it's how he reacts: there is a book on everyone, it's a question of whether they can overcome and adapt - and the best players always do. That's part of what makes them the best.

Also, the book on goalies is more direct than that on players, because weaknesses can be more directly exploited. If a goalie has a weak glove, goals are going in until he fixes it.