Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[dammage79]

Personally the .gov is going to do what .gov does. Not much I can do on that level but I can observe why the PCs are going to take down the Liberals in this election with a slogan that resonates with ppl wanting fiscal relief from all this. And they believe the answer is what's been sold as an unjust tax.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

There are geopolitical aspects to inflation. The united states exports inflation when it suits them, for instance.

However, it leaves the question about why gov'ts in Canada do what they can to pile on, often with questionable goals and questionable results.

The carbon tax is exactly this. Home building regulations are this. Government interventions in the mortgage market are highly inflationary. Complicated tax codes. Expansion of the number of public servants. Enforcing monopolies like dairy, or the WJ/AC duopoly.

I mean if we're just throwing out random words and vague terms....

What we're really missing in Canadian politics these days is SYNERGY. Pure unaltered SYNERGY.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Specific examples please that demonstrate this ravaging, please.

Hell, I’m just curious over your interpretation of “the left agenda”

Ravaging is not my verbiage or how I would describe the situation but this is a good summary read of the battle between the left and science:
https://physics.nyu.edu/faculty/soka...on_ENGLISH.pdf

[BoLevi]

I meant ravaging in the best possible way, I swear.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Personally the .gov is going to do what .gov does. Not much I can do on that level but I can observe why the PCs are going to take down the Liberals in this election with a slogan that resonates with ppl wanting fiscal relief from all this. And they believe the answer is what's been sold as an unjust tax.

And then what do the people do when axing the tax does nothing to their bottom line.

The CPC will definitely win the next election by verbing the noun.. and in today's society that's all it will take. No one has the attention span for an actual conversation using real facts anymore.

And that makes me sad for our country.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by belsarius

And then what do the people do when axing the tax does nothing to their bottom line.

The CPC will definitely win the next election by verbing the noun.. and in today's society that's all it will take. No one has the attention span for an actual conversation using real facts anymore.

And that makes me sad for our country.

Well that's the rub right? If axing the tax doesn't work, then the PCs lose the next election unless they can present real time working solutions. But that doesn't win votes anymore. Good policy doesn't have the weight it used to. Social politics play a bigger role now, divisive politics are the very forefront of modern democracy.

I cannot recall a Canadian debate where a clear well articulated plan won the day. I say Harper could have won if he didn't lean into the Niqab thing. Social politics lost him that election vs Trudeau. Trudeau pulled an Obama and sold hope and the hot topic of Wokeness.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Ravaging is not my verbiage or how I would describe the situation but this is a good summary read of the battle between the left and science:
https://physics.nyu.edu/faculty/soka...on_ENGLISH.pdf

A battle that, as noted in the text, has shifted over the last quarter century and been taken up by the populist Right, so the direct opposite of BoLevi’s assertion that the last 10 years have seen it ravaged by the Left.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well that's the rub right? If axing the tax doesn't work, then the PCs lose the next election unless they can present real time working solutions. But that doesn't win votes anymore. Good policy doesn't have the weight it used to. Social politics play a bigger role now, divisive politics are the very forefront of modern democracy.

I cannot recall a Canadian debate where a clear well articulated plan won the day. I say Harper could have won if he didn't lean into the Niqab thing. Social politics lost him that election vs Trudeau. Trudeau pulled an Obama and sold hope and the hot topic of Wokeness.

I don't think that was a thing, if "wokeness" is even a thing anyone can describe without sounding...well...


He won because Harper had been in a long time and Canadians wanted hcange(just like now) and popular policies like election reform and pot decriminalization. But ya, he was also a smiling happy face that promised better days. And no, none of this is a comment on the outcome of these things.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm sorry to say that this isn't an act he can drop. It's imbued in his soul. He's been at it too long.

So, is it time to can the plan?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

So she's publicly bashing her own government and stating she's going back down for the orange moron's inauguration.

Someone on twitter said it well (paraphrasing) that Trump did not have to look far at all for the weak link in Canada, she's showing herself to him in person.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1879640059256914037

[Fuzz]

What a stupid ####ing ####.

[Torture]

We live in the stupidest ####ing timeline. I like how we couldn't even convince Saskatchewan to go along with these shenanigans. Hopefully the rest of Alberta sees how dumb this is and remembers at the next election but I expect we'll have collective amnesia and vote for the blue party again.

[Looch City]

Hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahah

####ing brilliant. What a buffoon.

Amazing. This is just too good. Haha my god. Might as well separate the province and become 51st state ourselves really.

[FlamesAddiction]

She is right about one thing though. Canada should be building the infrastructure and facilities needed to get oil and other natural resources to more markets instead of relying on one primary market. The U.S. usually just takes them, refines them, then sells them at a mark up.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

She is right about one thing though. Canada should be building the infrastructure and facilities needed to get oil and other natural resources to more markets instead of relying on one primary market. The U.S. usually just takes them, refines them, then sells them at a mark up.

Great, she got one point right while throwing the rest of the country under the bus. Awesome. 10/10, no notes.

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by Torture

Great, she got one point right while throwing the rest of the country under the bus. Awesome. 10/10, no notes.

Really enjoyable when other provinces take notice too, makes me super proud to be an albertan. I personally really like being Canadian, might be one of my favourite parts of living here

Ford said he and the other premiers are in agreement with Trudeau that Canada must be prepared to use "every tool in its toolbox" to make the U.S. pay if it goes ahead with tariffs that have the potential to throw the economy into a tailspin.

Ford said Smith is focused on protecting Alberta's oil patch.

"That's her choice. I have a little different theory: protect your jurisdiction but country comes first, Canada's the priority," he said.

"He's going full tilt at Canadians as a whole," Ford said of Trump. "We need to be united. United we stand, divided we fall."

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

She is right about one thing though. Canada should be building the infrastructure and facilities needed to get oil and other natural resources to more markets instead of relying on one primary market. The U.S. usually just takes them, refines them, then sells them at a mark up.

Yes for a lot of things, but not really for oil. The oil they take is largely refined into their gas/diesel market, or exported as is. There’s really no value add there and you wouldn’t want to refine here and then ship down there.

As for other markets for oil you need to find heavy customers and they are not super plentiful. Asia is one so you could revisit another western pipeline but don’t see producers having much appetite for that game again.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

She is right about one thing though. Canada should be building the infrastructure and facilities needed to get oil and other natural resources to more markets instead of relying on one primary market. The U.S. usually just takes them, refines them, then sells them at a mark up.

I think most people would agree with her on that issue.

The problem is when you're about to be in a tariff war or trade war or a union dispute or whatever the worst thing you can do is show a crack or dissention among the ranks. You show a united front at all times, even if there's disagreements behind closed doors.

All she had to do was shut her yapper. But nope, gotta get on twitter and tell people you disagree with your own government right before Trump takes office. Oh yeah, guess what everyone......look over here.....I'm going to his inauguration too.

Wonderful. Trump has found his mark already.

[BoLevi]

The ROC and the other premiers are doing a lot of whining, but not a lot of convincing. Maybe they should all be rushing to Smith with hat in hand committing to a couple of energy corridors to each coast and promises to remain hands-off on Alberta's energy sector.

They sure sounds like they need Alberta, but haven't offered much other than sounding weak.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The ROC and the other premiers are doing a lot of whining, but not a lot of convincing. Maybe they should all be rushing to Smith with hat in hand committing to a couple of energy corridors to each coast and promises to remain hands-off on Alberta's energy sector.

They sure sounds like they need Alberta, but haven't offered much other than sounding weak.

Who is paying for said energy corridors?