Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The scientific community, academia, and the institution of academic journals have been completely ravaged by the left agenda over the last 10 years or more.

Specific examples please that demonstrate this ravaging, please.

Hell, I’m just curious over your interpretation of “the left agenda”

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Torture

You can't think of an example of the thing that you say was repeated endlessly in Covid?

Can't think of a single example of an individual saying things that an institution feels caused harm to the institution's credibility, which as you say, is the #1 priority for those institutions?

I can think of many examples of many things. I was trying to address your question by moving it from a hypothetical to an actual example that you feel is illustrative.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Freeland is just too close to all of Trudeau's stuff. When it comes down to it, I think the Liberal membership will be will more interested in Carney, because it's a lot harder to pin all of Trudeau's policies on him, despite the efforts already rolling in this thread. That, and his strong financial background make him a good choice at this moment in time.



We'll have to wait and see. Could still be a long time until an election.

Well, it's October at the latest. Any new leader will want the longest run up possible.

Carney has had two positions with the present government/Liberal party - he unofficially helped with pandemic economic response (which IMO was successful) and in Sept. of 24 was named chair of a party task force on economic growth (which hardly can be tied to present outcomes given the timing).

The guy is incredibly well regarded by actual businesspeople - Bloomberg appointed him as chair of Bloomberg Lp in 2023.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I can think of many examples of many things. I was trying to address your question by moving it from a hypothetical to an actual example that you feel is illustrative.

That's a non-answer.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's a non-answer.

I was asked a question, which I then sought to clarify to better answer the question.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I was asked a question, which I then sought to clarify to better answer the question.

It didn't work.

[The Yen Man]

My position currently is, I'll give Pollieve a chance (not like there's much choice TBH, I just can't see the Cons losing at this point). I wish he'd drop the crappy populist act though. The whole "Carbon Carney" is so damn cringe, but the right wing nuts just lap it up.

I am open to also seeing how Carney performs, and depending how the Cons do this next term, I'm not opposed to voting for a Carney led Liberal if the Cons drop the ball (or continue to swing extreme right like the MAGA idiots).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

My position currently is, I'll give Pollieve a chance (not like there's much choice TBH, I just can't see the Cons losing at this point). I wish he'd drop the crappy populist act though. The whole "Carbon Carney" is so damn cringe, but the right wing nuts just lap it up.

I am open to also seeing how Carney performs, and depending how the Cons do this next term, I'm not opposed to voting for a Carney led Liberal if the Cons drop the ball (or continue to swing extreme right like the MAGA idiots).

I doubt that would ever happen. People imagined the same about Trump (and repeat it now).

PS, the carbon tax works and has not had an effect on the economy.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Specific examples please that demonstrate this ravaging, please.

Hell, I’m just curious over your interpretation of “the left agenda”

I'll give you a few, for the sake of time.

1. The hand wringing over GMO is generally a leftist question
2. The resistance to genetic based behavioral questions usually comes from the left
3. https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...rotests-301534
4. refusal to acknowledge or promote the study of evolutionary/genetic distinctions between the sexes in terms oh physical attributes and also preferences
5. Renewable energy potential/capacity as a feasible alternative to fossil fuels
6. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-ide...ce-11594572501
7. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-021-01522-z

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It didn't work.

Obviously, I still don't have a useful question to answer, so not much for me to do. If someone wants me to answer a question, it somewhat defeats the purpose if they than require me to also ask the question for them.

[MelBridgeman]

Pep got mopped

[dammage79]

So if the carbon tax isn't directly forcing inflation, what is?

Because from a lot of people's perspectives and why the PCs are likely taking this election is that since the implementation of said carbon tax, inflation has gone off the rails with nothing being done to prop up wage growth to keep pace.

So if it's working and not damaging the ability for paycheck to paycheck people (the majority of folk and more and .ore ppl falling into this category) to eat or keep up, then what is causing this.

Because if anyone can explain this to the masses without coming off as a condescending person, they would likely win a ton of votes.

Reality is, a lot of struggling people have taken their real world experience of trying to survive and have seen that their lives have been negatively affect since the implementation of the carbon tax.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by dammage79

So if the carbon tax isn't directly forcing inflation, what is?

Because from a lot of people's perspectives and why the PCs are likely taking this election is that since the implementation of said carbon tax, inflation has gone off the rails with nothing being done to prop up wage growth to keep pace.

So if it's working and not damaging the ability for paycheck to paycheck people (the majority of folk and more and .ore ppl falling into this category) to eat or keep up, then what is causing this.

Because if anyone can explain this to the masses without coming off as a condescending person, they would likely win a ton of votes.

Reality is, a lot of struggling people have taken their real world experience of trying to survive and have seen that their lives have been negatively affect since the implementation of the carbon tax.

Call me crazy, but it's almost like there have been other things happening in the world since the implementation of the carbon tax in 2019 that might have had an effect.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's a non-answer.

Welcome to Conversations With Bo.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by dammage79

So if the carbon tax isn't directly forcing inflation, what is?

Because from a lot of people's perspectives and why the PCs are likely taking this election is that since the implementation of said carbon tax, inflation has gone off the rails with nothing being done to prop up wage growth to keep pace.

So if it's working and not damaging the ability for paycheck to paycheck people (the majority of folk and more and .ore ppl falling into this category) to eat or keep up, then what is causing this.

Because if anyone can explain this to the masses without coming off as a condescending person, they would likely win a ton of votes.

Reality is, a lot of struggling people have taken their real world experience of trying to survive and have seen that their lives have been negatively affect since the implementation of the carbon tax.

There are numerous causes to the inflation:

1. Loose fiscal policy (a vast understatement)
2. Loose monetary policy. Like #1, this is partly because the policymakers usually lack the intestinal fortitude to unwind the free money in time, because people like it.
3. Supply constraints due to covid and lack of capital investment. People complain about "trickle down economics", and then really don't like it when things stop "trickling down"
4. Carbon tax, which raises the price of everything. Inflation is the purpose of this tax, explicitly. It's not a side effect. The purpose of the tax is to make goods more expensive and reduce demand as a result. Reduced economic activity and demand means reduced carbon emissions.


It's important for the citizenry to remember that from a policy perspective, inflation does two things they don't often contemplate: it reduces the value of past debt, especially public debt. In other words it's a way for the government to improve its fiscal position. Two, it is a highly efficient form of wealth transfer from the poor and middle class to the rich.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Torture

Call me crazy, but it's almost like there have been other things happening in the world since the implementation of the carbon tax in 2019 that might have had an effect.

COVID, Russia war, the Evergreen incident in the canal. But again, every day Canadians tend to seek answers locally and don't think much globally. So again how does one sway those votes away from axing the tax which is what's winning this election and quite honestly, doesn't appear that it's going lose this election.

When people are struggling to put food on the table and all they see are their wages getting taxed, their purchases getting taxed, supply is almost doubling in price, housing is nearly impossible to fathom, how do you win that vote. All they see is loss on a face to face level.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I'll give you a few, for the sake of time.

1. The hand wringing over GMO is generally a leftist question
2. The resistance to genetic based behavioral questions usually comes from the left
3. https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...rotests-301534
4. refusal to acknowledge or promote the study of evolutionary/genetic distinctions between the sexes in terms oh physical attributes and also preferences
5. Renewable energy potential/capacity as a feasible alternative to fossil fuels
6. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-ide...ce-11594572501
7. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-021-01522-z

Sorry, hand wringing over GMOs is an example you’re giving of “ravaging” academia? Did you just pick some random things you’ve coded as leftist out of a hat and figured just their existence (or your assumption of their existence) to be enough to prove your claim that these fields have been ravaged?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by dammage79

So if the carbon tax isn't directly forcing inflation, what is?

Because from a lot of people's perspectives and why the PCs are likely taking this election is that since the implementation of said carbon tax, inflation has gone off the rails with nothing being done to prop up wage growth to keep pace.

So if it's working and not damaging the ability for paycheck to paycheck people (the majority of folk and more and .ore ppl falling into this category) to eat or keep up, then what is causing this.

Because if anyone can explain this to the masses without coming off as a condescending person, they would likely win a ton of votes.

Reality is, a lot of struggling people have taken their real world experience of trying to survive and have seen that their lives have been negatively affect since the implementation of the carbon tax.

If the carbon tax is causing inflation, you have to then explain how that has affected our G7 friends.

Spoiler!

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...nds-in-the-g7/


Then you see that we didn't actually do too badly, and then wonder what the motives are for those telling you one thing when the facts seem to point elsewhere.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

My position currently is, I'll give Pollieve a chance (not like there's much choice TBH, I just can't see the Cons losing at this point). I wish he'd drop the crappy populist act though. The whole "Carbon Carney" is so damn cringe, but the right wing nuts just lap it up.

I am open to also seeing how Carney performs, and depending how the Cons do this next term, I'm not opposed to voting for a Carney led Liberal if the Cons drop the ball (or continue to swing extreme right like the MAGA idiots).

I'm sorry to say that this isn't an act he can drop. It's imbued in his soul. He's been at it too long.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by dammage79

COVID, Russia war, the Evergreen incident in the canal. But again, every day Canadians tend to seek answers locally and don't think much globally. So again how does one sway those votes away from axing the tax which is what's winning this election and quite honestly, doesn't appear that it's going lose this election.

When people are struggling to put food on the table and all they see are their wages getting taxed, their purchases getting taxed, supply is almost doubling in price, housing is nearly impossible to fathom, how do you win that vote. All they see is loss on a face to face level.

There are geopolitical aspects to inflation. The united states exports inflation when it suits them, for instance.

However, it leaves the question about why gov'ts in Canada do what they can to pile on, often with questionable goals and questionable results.

The carbon tax is exactly this. Home building regulations are this. Government interventions in the mortgage market are highly inflationary. Complicated tax codes. Expansion of the number of public servants. Enforcing monopolies like dairy, or the WJ/AC duopoly.