Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[shotinthebacklund]

Holy crap gentlemen, You guys are playing better defence for Carney then the damn Calgary flames infront of wolf. Asking questions about Carney and you cant help but fall all over yourselves to defend the new golden boy.

Atleast Carney professes to at least think about financial policy. I think Carney is probably a benefit to Canada over the other options. Even if I want the conservatives to wipe the floor with the liberal party.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Torture

Pick a lane BoLevi. Either he's been away for ages and parachuting into the leadership contest or being former Governor of the Bank of Canada is a conflict of interest.
You can't have it both ways.

Carney himself doesn't have a conflict, as I've stated. His actions open the door to future governors having conflicts.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Freeland is just too close to all of Trudeau's stuff. When it comes down to it, I think the Liberal membership will be will more interested in Carney, because it's a lot harder to pin all of Trudeau's policies on him, despite the efforts already rolling in this thread. That, and his strong financial background make him a good choice at this moment in time.



We'll have to wait and see. Could still be a long time until an election.

Trudeau, Katie Telford, Gerald Butts and the internal Trudeau camp and loyalists have fully sided with Carney.

And there's good reason for them to do so. Ask yourself why that is. There is no effort needed, Carney makes Trudeau look soft on certain policies.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/21/clim...rney-says.html

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ns-mark-carney

There are 2 main camps in Liberal land right now, and Freeland is actually the one that is more looking to move away from Trudeau led policies. You are right that the Liberal core is more likely to want Carney over Freeland, but that is not necessarily to Canada's overall benefit.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Carney has been an economic advisor to Trudeau since COVID.

You sure about that bud? From the National Post (I even found a non-CBC source for you, isn't that nice of me?)

It was in September when Carney got his first official link to the Liberal government by being named as a senior economic advisor to the prime minister. Unusually, though, it was a position with the Liberal Party of Canada rather than one with the Prime Minister’s Office. As Conservative critics pointed out at the time, this would have allowed Carney to take the job without going through the usual conflict-of-interest disclosures required of a prime ministerial aide.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Torture

You sure about that bud? From the National Post (I even found a non-CBC source for you, isn't that nice of me?)

Non biased, factual reporting from the coveted CBC:

David Cochrane · CBC News · Posted: Aug 10, 2020 11:41 AM MDT | Last Updated: August 11, 2020

Mark Carney — the former governor of the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England — has been acting as an informal adviser to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on the federal government's response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Carney "certainly has been advising the PM through different phases of this," said a senior government official speaking on background. "I'd hope we can count on him for more."

[Torture]

Alright, fair enough. But it's a pretty big leap from 'informal advisor' on Covid response to 'every policy Trudeau has done since Covid was actually Mark Carney secretly pulling the strings'

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Torture

Alright, fair enough. But it's a pretty big leap from 'informal advisor' on Covid response to 'every policy Trudeau has done since Covid was actually Mark Carney secretly pulling the strings'

It’s a compelling narrative for conservatives because they know the further outside the current Liberal party the candidate is, the harder time they’ll have playing offence.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Torture

Alright, fair enough. But it's a pretty big leap from 'informal advisor' on Covid response to 'every policy Trudeau has done since Covid was actually Mark Carney secretly pulling the strings'

Not to defend the previous comment but your twisting his words if you think he said that "every policy Trudeau has done since Covid was actually Mark Carney secretly pulling the strings."

[Torture]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Not to defend the previous comment but your twisting his words if you think he said that "every policy Trudeau has done since Covid was actually Mark Carney secretly pulling the strings."

Many of Trudeau's ideas are simply Carney's ideas.

Pretty small twist imo.

[Firebot]

Person makes a statement that is factual about Carney, 2nd person opposes it, 3rd person provides evidence of factual statement

In comes PF

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s a compelling narrative for conservatives because they know the further outside the current Liberal party the candidate is, the harder time they’ll have playing offence.

Do you just go in life blaming conservatives for burning your toast this morning as well?

Apr 09, 2021

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mar...eral-1.5982535

As speculation about his political future heats up, former Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney made it clear Friday that he's a big-L Liberal supporter who will do "whatever" he can to advance the party's interests.

Carney has been touted by some pundits and political observers as a possible future Liberal Party leadership candidate. Until he addressed Liberal delegates at their policy convention tonight, however, his political allegiances weren't widely known.

"That's why I'll do whatever I can to support the Liberal Party in our efforts to build a better future for Canadians," he said.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GGG

If Freeland wins I think it’s too easy to tie her back to the Trudeau government even with the dramatic resignation and you end up not materially moving the needle. Carney has potential to shake up the race which still likely leads to a conservative majority but it gives the chance of a minority.

So in that sense Freeland is less interesting to talk about. Also Carney might be the most qualified person to run a country we have had run for office.

That's why they are desperate to change the Chanel to Freeland. They see the threat Carney is to their insurmountable inevitable victory.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Carney has been an economic advisor to Trudeau since COVID.

Many of Trudeau's ideas are simply Carney's ideas.

What has PP done besides give olive branches to you and Mel?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Person makes a statement that is factual about Carney, 2nd person opposes it, 3rd person provides evidence of factual statement

In comes PF



Do you just go in life blaming conservatives for burning your toast this morning as well?

Apr 09, 2021

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mar...eral-1.5982535



Calling Carney an outsider is like calling Harper an outsider to the Canadian Alliance party in 2001.

A candidate for Liberal leadership is a Liberal supporter?

Weird. Who woulda thunk!

I never called him an outsider, I said the further outside a candidate is, the more they’ll struggle to play offence. Do you believe Carney, who is not an elected official, not a member of cabinet, and never has been, is further outside the Liberal party than Freeland, who is an elected member of the Liberal party and former part of cabinet? Yes or no?

[Johnny Makarov]

Mel Anders is approaching Yoho territory.

[BoLevi]

It will be a trivial undertaking for the Conservatives to paint Carney as a Liberal insider. They have been doing it for months already. You will be seeing endless ads painting Carney as a Rasputin or Grima Wormtongue type of figure that was behind everything. It be will be effective - after all it should be plainly obvious to anyone that Trudeau was always too stupid to come up with any of this stuff on his own. I don't think the Conservatives are particularly worried about Carney.

[Locke]

So...is the ticket going to be Carney Butts?

Because if you want to sell merch...you're not going to be able to keep those stickers on the shelves!!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

It will be a trivial undertaking for the Conservatives to paint Carney as a Liberal insider. They have been doing it for months already. You will be seeing endless ads painting Carney as a Rasputin or Grima Wormtongue type of figure that was behind everything. It be will be effective - after all it should be plainly obvious to anyone that Trudeau was always too stupid to come up with any of this stuff on his own. I don't think the Conservatives are particularly worried about Carney.

Their actions speak louder than words. They can attempt to sell whatever they want. Fortunately, Canadians aren’t stupid enough to buy everything the CPC is selling.

Well, some are.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

It will be a trivial undertaking for the Conservatives to paint Carney as a Liberal insider. They have been doing it for months already. You will be seeing endless ads painting Carney as a Rasputin or Grima Wormtongue type of figure that was behind everything. It be will be effective - after all it should be plainly obvious to anyone that Trudeau was always too stupid to come up with any of this stuff on his own. I don't think the Conservatives are particularly worried about Carney.

Will people be able to fit this all on one truck flag: "##### [the mastermind secretly pulling all of the strings behind] Trudeau"?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Will people be able to fit this all on one truck flag: "##### [the mastermind secretly pulling all of the strings behind] Trudeau"?

They'll just have to make bigger trucks.

[MelBridgeman]

Good write up from a few years ago about the dangerous ideas in the head of former Epstein island alumnus Carbon Tax Carney

What Carney ultimately wants is a technocratic dictatorship justified by climate alarmism

Mark Carney, former governor both of the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England, claims that western society is morally rotten, and that it has been corrupted by capitalism, which has brought about a “climate emergency” that threatens life on earth. This, he claims, requires rigid controls on personal freedom, industry and corporate funding.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/pet...nt-be-pleasant


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