2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

It seems that professional scouting has improved quite a bit as well. Conroy (and team) seems to have a better handle on other team's NHL players and who would work better here. I'm also more comfortable that the team won't try to shoe-horn someone into a role that they are not fit to play on the Flames, such as Brower or Neal. Treliving wanted a right shot, right winger, and paid for the best on the market. Unfortunately, the best available wasn't a good fit and the team would have been better off trying something else.

It's the same people though.

Maybe Conroy is just taking the input the provide is using it to make decisions instead of hyper focusing on someone he wants.

The guy he outbid for Hamonic was Lou, that should be a sign you should stay away.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

It seems that professional scouting has improved quite a bit as well. Conroy (and team) seems to have a better handle on other team's NHL players and who would work better here. I'm also more comfortable that the team won't try to shoe-horn someone into a role that they are not fit to play on the Flames, such as Brower or Neal. Treliving wanted a right shot, right winger, and paid for the best on the market. Unfortunately, the best available wasn't a good fit and the team would have been better off trying something else.

I don't know how Neal's personality wasn't identified as an issue for the Flames. Maybe they wanted more "winners". What they needed were players that lifted confidence and energy not players who acted like self-serving jerks.

[SuperMatt18]

There was a comment from Conroy shortly after he had the job where a comment was made about Treliving "liking to do things on his own"

I do think after Burke left it became less "management by committee" and more Treliving having the final say.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

There was a comment from Conroy shortly after he had the job where a comment was made about Treliving "liking to do things on his own"

I do think after Burke left it became less "management by committee" and more Treliving having the final say.

Burke left in the 2018 off season I believe. So, he would have been here for the Brouwer and Hamonic debacles, but not Neal.

That is also the timeline when we fired Gulutzan and Treliving only wanted Peters so maybe you are right.

[NegativeSpace]

I agree with all these comments as probably reasons for why Treliving struggled with professional scouting. My point was more that it seems professional scouting has dramatically improved with Conroy as GM. That should at least provide some comfort that they are less likely to run into a similar concern as the Brower to Neal to Lucic fiasco.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by blankall

I don't know how Neal's personality wasn't identified as an issue for the Flames. Maybe they wanted more "winners". What they needed were players that lifted confidence and energy not players who acted like self-serving jerks.

A week or so ago Pinder had made a comment about an incident where Neal shaved Johny's head while he was sleeping.. It did not go over well, and Johny didn't want him on his line.

Not sure if Pinder was making some joke, or if it's an incident the team tried to bury, because I havn't heard of this otherwise.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

There was a comment from Conroy shortly after he had the job where a comment was made about Treliving "liking to do things on his own"

I do think after Burke left it became less "management by committee" and more Treliving having the final say.

Yeah I remember hearing this and thought it was a bit of a jab. Doesn't sound like Tre was the most inclusive manager.

[D as in David]

IIRC, the only available spot for Neal was on the 3rd line, which made no sense for the Flames to acquire him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He was brought in to play with Johnny and Monny. He was used on the line after every PK. He just sucked. Lindholm clicked better.

[AC]

Just checked and they actually started with:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Neal
Frolik - Ryan - Czarnik
Bennett - Jankowski - Hathaway

But they definitely tried to give Neal a bunch of extra shifts with Gaudreau whenever possible as Paulie Walnuts said. It's still incredible just how bad he looked as a Flame. It was as if he'd actually been a righty his entire career and the Flames made him shoot left for the first time ever. It was baffling to watch.

[dammage79]

Hindsight on that roster is pretty bad.

Czarnik, Neal, Ryan.... No wonder Bennett got frustrated.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Hindsight on that roster is pretty bad.

Czarnik, Neal, Ryan.... No wonder Bennett got frustrated.

We did Bennett dirty forsure.

I actually don't think it's a bad roster if everyone was slotted properly though and Neal didn't exist. Mang and Lomberg were also breaking in these years.


Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachyk
Monahan - Bennett - Mangiapane
Frolik - Backlund - Ryan
Lomberg - Jankowski - Hathway

Gio - Brodie
Hanifin - Rasmus
Kylington Haminoc

Doesn't look too bad to me with hindsight.

It was a very young team too.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He was brought in to play with Johnny and Monny. He was used on the line after every PK. He just sucked. Lindholm clicked better.

Neal just seemed to want to kind of crash the net. I think when he was younger he was an expert at crashing the net...as he got older, he was sort of doing it but not that well.

Monahan and Lindholm were better trigger men and knew how to read plays and get in position for Gaudreau. To be fair to Neal, he was kind of the product of bad scouting too. The Gaudreau/Monahan line didn't need another pure trigger man, which Monahan was elite at. They needed someone who could be a second trigger option but also handle the puck, at a basic level, and take advantage of the room Gaudreau created.

Hudler, Lindholm and Tkachuk all ended up having great chemistry with Gaudreau. So the type of player who could fill that role was probably of a pretty wide range. Just not James Neal.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by traptor

We did Bennett dirty forsure.

I actually don't think it's a bad roster if everyone was slotted properly though and Neal didn't exist. Mang and Lomberg were also breaking in these years.


Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachyk
Monahan - Bennett - Mangiapane
Frolik - Backlund - Ryan
Lomberg - Jankowski - Hathway

Gio - Brodie
Hanifin - Rasmus
Kylington Haminoc

Doesn't look too bad to me with hindsight.

It was a very young team too.

Breaking up Gaudreau and Monahan? Not having Bennett and Tkachuk together?

I agree though. The talent was there....not the coaching. The team was also mentally fragile. Partly due to the team being young. Them being slotted correctly may not have solved all the issues.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by blankall

Breaking up Gaudreau and Monahan? Not having Bennett and Tkachuk together?

I agree though. The talent was there....not the coaching. The team was also mentally fragile. Partly due to the team being young. Them being slotted correctly may not have solved all the issues.

Yeah lol went back and forth on those line combos but went with this one because they were soooo dominant 21-22.

Yeah, I wonder how Huska would have dine with that team. That was a rough patch of coaching.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by AC

Just checked and they actually started with:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Neal
Frolik - Ryan - Czarnik
Bennett - Jankowski - Hathaway

But they definitely tried to give Neal a bunch of extra shifts with Gaudreau whenever possible as Paulie Walnuts said. It's still incredible just how bad he looked as a Flame. It was as if he'd actually been a righty his entire career and the Flames made him shoot left for the first time ever. It was baffling to watch.

lol another coach botching Bennett. I remember Peter’s stating in his intro that we need to find a spot for Bennett is he a winger or a center. So they just stick him on the 4th line.

Geoff Ward was the best tho. Our most impactful line vs Dallas Lucic - Bennett - Dube. Bennett finally finds a home up the middle. Ward says before camp he asked Bennett what position he wants to play he told him center. So we started him on the wing. That was the end of the Bennett experiment.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It was a mistake to over value a Brouwer who had 8 goals in 78 playoff games before having 8 in 20 in a contract year and call him a playoff performer.

Even looking back at Hamonic, the underlying numbers are hideous it's not wonder he sunk Brodie and Hanifin.

THe year we traded for him he was coming off a season with a 39.6 CF and -4.5 xGF.

We spent a 1st and 2 2nds for what?

It was a bad trade, but it was for a player believed to be a top 4 D on a real value contract. In those ways, he was like Andersson, but Andersson has a lot more upside. Gives you a ballpark about where trade offers should start for him. And the Flames have now made it clear that it will take a top-shelf offer to pry him away from the team.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

2 playoffs at controlled contract cost v/ less. It's very simple.

It's really not that simple as the market potentially opens up wider in the off-season.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Saying we don't know what the returns might be in the future is a 'completely unreasonable position to take'? Okay then.

I was actually directing my post at Jiri, because he is now flipping his argument from the other thread, where he was arguing that trading him now would result in a lesser return..

I don't think that was my argument at all. I've said we don't know when the maximum value is. There are 3 pinch points - up to this deadline, off-season, next deadline. I think we agree the value will be lower at next year's deadline. Between now, this year's deadline and off-season, I don't know what the optimal point is. There are pushes and pulls for all scenarios. How it nets out? I don't know.

And one of those things working against trading him now is I don't believe enough teams are in the market to create optimal demand. But again - I don't know this with certainty in terms of what the optimal point is. And nowhere did I say I did.

This was my exact quote: And the market likely isn't in an optimal place for a trade right now. More teams will enter the market as they near the deadline, have clarity on their needs, and have some cap space.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

He suggested Anderson is worth a 1st, a B prospect, and a warm body. Which seems about right.

If Anderson trade talks really do ramp up, people are going to whip themselves into fantastical expectations, and #### on any remotely realistic deals. Just like they did last season with all the pending UFAs.

Markstrom should get us New Jersey's 10th OV pick without adding our late first. if we have to add that I think it's an overpay!