2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

I think that sequence was more due to poor professional scouting. It was not a mistake at the time to identify that the team needed more goals and a right shot right winger. The issue was people identified / available were not fits.

It was a mistake to over value a Brouwer who had 8 goals in 78 playoff games before having 8 in 20 in a contract year and call him a playoff performer.

Even looking back at Hamonic, the underlying numbers are hideous it's not wonder he sunk Brodie and Hanifin.

THe year we traded for him he was coming off a season with a 39.6 CF and -4.5 xGF.

We spent a 1st and 2 2nds for what?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

I think that sequence was more due to poor professional scouting. It was not a mistake at the time to identify that the team needed more goals and a right shot right winger. The issue was people identified / available were not fits.

Both Brouwer and Neal didn't look great from the get go. They were both players that didn't do much but shovel in pucks from close to the net. Neal had a history of big play, but had fallen off by the time the hit UFA. Brouwer never put up big numbers. The team obviously thought they could get more out of both players and were desperate for an Anson Carter type to play with Gaudreau and Monahan.

I think this round could be different. The Flames have never had this kind of cap space and would be going for the legit big fish.

[Tbull8]

I wouldn’t even be surprised to see the flames try and grab some picks a couple years out. If we can get picks deferred from even 2026 and the end up being potential 2027 lottery tickets, that can be huge for having a sustainable young core. Not to mention the slim chance of DuPont

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Wolven

There are some big names in the UFA pool this summer but none of them really address the needs of the team. Our biggest need is a C and the biggest UFAs are wingers. The last thing this team needs is another $10M winger.

I also wouldn't look at the UFA D. If Andersson is being traded then the plan has to be to make room for Parekh / Brzustewicz.

We really need a July 1st trade partner who is flush on young Cs and needs a RD.

Who falls into that category I wonder? Winnipeg is the first that comes to mind with Lambert and Yager in the system.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Who falls into that category I wonder? Winnipeg is the first that comes to mind with Lambert and Yager in the system.

Yep, have been beating this drum for a while.

Out of those two I really want us to go for Lambert. His offensive upside is bigger than Yager’s. Plus, WPG just acquired him not too long ago.

Lambert+ 1st + Stanley wouldn’t be bad. WPG would roll with Andersson / Pionk / Demelo on the right side and let Pionk go. They could then re-sign Ehlers.

EDIT: anyone high on Perfetti? Perfetti and a decent prospect (or 2nd/cond. 1st based on playoff success) for Andersson wouldn’t be bad either.

[traptor]

How much dollars would you have to throw at Rantenan to pry him out of Colorado.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

Obviously, this is cherry picking, but when you look at the way Huberdeau and Kadri have been playing for the last few months now, things look different.

My point is that the Flames can draw a lot from within to become a better team. You can say that about any team. If a team's players aren't playing to their potential, they are not likely to win a championship. So in assessing the Flames contending chances, you also have to look at what their players are capable of.

Yeah, I do the same thing in my head and feel like I'm cherry picking too. But TBF the sample size since that line formed is getting bigger and bigger. 16 or 17 games now?

[traptor]

If we're planning to make trades you're definitely hoping for the dougie trades and not the harmonic trade.

If we're going to trade multiple high picks it needs to be a young player that's proven it to some degree.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It was a mistake to over value a Brouwer who had 8 goals in 78 playoff games before having 8 in 20 in a contract year and call him a playoff performer.

Even looking back at Hamonic, the underlying numbers are hideous it's not wonder he sunk Brodie and Hanifin.

THe year we traded for him he was coming off a season with a 39.6 CF and -4.5 xGF.

We spent a 1st and 2 2nds for what?

The Hamonic trade was one of the all time worst for the franchise when you consider what he Flames received vs what they could have had with the draft picks. Sometimes I wonder if Treliving made his mind up on his own at times because there's no way the analytical people in the building could have liked the Brouwer and Neal signings or the Hamonic trade.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Who falls into that category I wonder? Winnipeg is the first that comes to mind with Lambert and Yager in the system.

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Yep, have been beating this drum for a while.

Out of those two I really want us to go for Lambert. His offensive upside is bigger than Yager’s. Plus, WPG just acquired him not too long ago.

Lambert+ 1st + Stanley wouldn’t be bad. WPG would roll with Andersson / Pionk / Demelo on the right side and let Pionk go. They could then re-sign Ehlers.

Winnipeg fits well. Their D group is not very impressive. Andersson would be a big boost, especially if he showed up now as a $2.5M top pairing D.

We keep getting linked to the Leafs, mostly because they need a D, but they do not have the C that we need.

Senators have extra Cs but do not need another D in their top 4.
Kraken have extra Cs but also not need another top 4 D.

Red Wings? They could use the upgrade on D and it looks like they have a number of Cs.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by blankall

If Zary develops quickly into a solid 60 point centre, you've got:

Kadri - 70 points
Zary - 60 points
Backlund - 40 points

With all 3 being solid 2 way and/or physical style players. That's pretty competitive. If you can combine that with Huberdeau resurgence, another PPG winger acquisition, and Coleman, Pelletier, and Coronato that's a solid top 9.

Kerins - 164 points

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Wolven

There are some big names in the UFA pool this summer but none of them really address the needs of the team. Our biggest need is a C and the biggest UFAs are wingers. The last thing this team needs is another $10M winger.

I also wouldn't look at the UFA D. If Andersson is being traded then the plan has to be to make room for Parekh / Brzustewicz.

We really need a July 1st trade partner who is flush on young Cs and needs a RD.

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Yep, have been beating this drum for a while.

Out of those two I really want us to go for Lambert. His offensive upside is bigger than Yager’s. Plus, WPG just acquired him not too long ago.

Lambert+ 1st + Stanley wouldn’t be bad. WPG would roll with Andersson / Pionk / Demelo on the right side and let Pionk go. They could then re-sign Ehlers.

EDIT: anyone high on Perfetti? Perfetti and a decent prospect (or 2nd/cond. 1st based on playoff success) for Andersson wouldn’t be bad either.

I would like Lambert as well but my guess would be Winnipeg would much prefer trading Yager at this point. The Jets are in their competitive window right now and Lambert is more NHL-ready than Yager so he fits more to help them win now. I also think Ehlers is going to be moving on anyways so Lambert seems like the perfect fit to replace him. They have similar skill sets so he could fit right in place of Ehlers. As you mentioned, Lambert has higher offensive upside so Winnipeg likely prefers his skillset to Yager’s.

It’s really tough to pry away an organizations #1 prospect unless it’s for another team’s #1 prospect. The only team off the top of my head that has regularly traded their top prospects for veteran players is Vegas.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Hamonic trade was one of the all time worst for the franchise when you consider what he Flames received vs what they could have had with the draft picks. Sometimes I wonder if Treliving made his mind up on his own at times because there's no way the analytical people in the building could have liked the Brouwer and Neal signings or the Hamonic trade.

Well, when Conroy said he liked to work alone it does make sense that he may have gone against what was suggested or information provided. They said they had to talk him out of rhte Risto trade.

When you peel back the curtain on his tenure here you start to question a lot of things he did.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by chummer

Or Pionk, just listening to Winnipeg radio and they believe Ehlers and Pionk are gone, he's a right shot D too.

The reason they believe they are gone is that those players are going to get paid in free agency. I would be wary of 30 year old poink. I think someone will end up overpaying him big time.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The reason they believe they are gone is that those players are going to get paid in free agency. I would be wary of 30 year old poink. I think someone will end up overpaying him big time.

Conroy has said he is staying away from free agency outside of what he did last year.

I can't see him going after 30 year olds like you said with 7 year offers, or the big fish.

[dammage79]

Yeah that's why I was looking at a Kunin type player to go after. Short term low dollar but is center depth.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah that's why I was looking at a Kunin type player to go after. Short term low dollar but is center depth.

A Rooney replacement?

Right now a defenceman taking his place would be a massive upgrade.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by traptor

How much dollars would you have to throw at Rantenan to pry him out of Colorado.

Too many dollars for a team that isn't in won now mode.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Hamonic trade was one of the all time worst for the franchise when you consider what he Flames received vs what they could have had with the draft picks. Sometimes I wonder if Treliving made his mind up on his own at times because there's no way the analytical people in the building could have liked the Brouwer and Neal signings or the Hamonic trade.

And the fact that Hamonic had asked to be traded to a Western Canadian team the year before... I'm not as hard on Treliving as a lot of people here are, but that trade was the absolute worst.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by blankall

Both Brouwer and Neal didn't look great from the get go. They were both players that didn't do much but shovel in pucks from close to the net. Neal had a history of big play, but had fallen off by the time the hit UFA. Brouwer never put up big numbers. The team obviously thought they could get more out of both players and were desperate for an Anson Carter type to play with Gaudreau and Monahan.

I think this round could be different. The Flames have never had this kind of cap space and would be going for the legit big fish.

It seems that professional scouting has improved quite a bit as well. Conroy (and team) seems to have a better handle on other team's NHL players and who would work better here. I'm also more comfortable that the team won't try to shoe-horn someone into a role that they are not fit to play on the Flames, such as Brower or Neal. Treliving wanted a right shot, right winger, and paid for the best on the market. Unfortunately, the best available wasn't a good fit and the team would have been better off trying something else.