2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bonded]

The Flames are going to trade for Cozens or Petersson and then sign Marner to a 15x7. Heard it here first

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It’s not a dumb move. The rebuild is over after 41 games. Time to go all in.

Royale just told us that the Canucks want a big return but apparently Dino is part of the negotiations and thinks Rooney the Devils 1st and maybe Stromgren get it done.

Just a few a months ago he was crapping all over Patterson but now he wants Petey because he can’t stomach a rebuild. Or another guy who hates rebuilds and is another thread whining that people can’t stand wins and wants to turn around and trade the players who contribute to the wins.

A team that is trending to miss the playoffs and 41 games into a rebuild should be pushing in their chips and assets. They must miss the Sutter way of GMing

I'd argue the rebuild has barely begun, and it is not going well this year.

This team should be picking top 5, and instead we are on schedule to pick somewhere between 15th and 32nd. This is not a good start to the rebuild at all.

We need elite players and you can only find those near the top of the draft usually. Unless you are Vegas and players are begging to come to your roster.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'd argue the rebuild has barely begun, and it is not going well this year.

Nobody thinks it's over. Paulie Walnuts is just being overdramatic.

Rebuilds are more than just drafting. Development is part of it and we're seeing positive signs.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Nobody thinks it's over. Paulie Walnuts is just being overdramatic.

Rebuilds are more than just drafting. Development is part of it and we're seeing positive signs.

Do not cloud a good agenda with reason!

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by stemit14

The flames currently have around $18 million in cap space:

Cap floor: $65 million
Flames total salary: $71 million
Cap limit: $88 million

There is some speculation that the cap could go up by $9 million next year. Putting it to $97 million.

If the flames don’t sign any new players, their total cap hit currently committed to next year is $53 million. That’s without accounting for re-signing of the upcoming summer UFAs or RFAs.

So let’s assume Zary and Coronato each sign for $7 million AAV this summer. Let’s assume Bahl signs for $4 million AAV. That puts the flames at $71 million.

The following are UFAs this summer: Kuzmenko, Mantha, Rooney, Duehr, Kirkland, Barrie, Hanley and Vladar. Of those players, the only ones that I think may be re-signed are Kirkland, Hanley and Duehr with Kirkland probably the best bet. Hanley has looked good recently but the team has so many good young defencemen that I hope they want to make room for them. Duehr still hasn’t taken a roster spot for himself. For now, let’s assume all 3 get resigned for say $850,000 AAV each. Pelletier is an RFA as well so let’s assume he also signs for the same amount. That puts the total salary at about $74 million in 2025-2026. The team would look a lot like it does right now:

Huberdeau-Kadri-Posposil
Sharangovich-Zary-Pelletier
Coleman-Backlund-Coronato
Lomberg-xxxx-Kirkland
Duehr

Weegar-Hanley
Andersson-Bahl
Bean-Pachal
Miromanov

Wolf
Cooley

Right now, that’s a real possibility for the roster next year. I don’t see many opportunities for more young players on that roster next year when it’s healthy though. I guess you could argue that injuries will happen. I could also realistically see Conroy choosing to not re-sign Duehr and Hanley. That would at least open up an opportunity for Klapka or Stromgren at forward. And it opens up an opportunity for one of the many solid young defencemen to take Hanley’s spot.

The following summer (2026), the UFAs will be Backlund, Lomberg, Andersson and Bean.

I would be a bit catious about the cap increase for next year. Yes, it has been suggested that there could be a significant leap, but that was before the Canadian dollar dipped below .70. If the dollar stays there, or drops even more which is a possibility, then I don’t think these $9M cap increase projections will be accurate.

I also think this uncertainty will have an effect on contract extensions.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Awesome.

I assume Matt, Jakob and Connor?

What are everyone’s guesses for term and AAV

I'm going to assume Zary, Coronato, and Bahl. My guesses;

Zary - 3 x $3.5MM
Coronato - 3 x $3MM
Bahl - 5 x $5MM

I would like both Zary and Coronato to sign long term, but I feel they would want a bridge and go big for their next contract.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'd argue the rebuild has barely begun, and it is not going well this year.

This team should be picking top 5, and instead we are on schedule to pick somewhere between 15th and 32nd. This is not a good start to the rebuild at all.

We need elite players and you can only find those near the top of the draft usually. Unless you are Vegas and players are begging to come to your roster.

I wouldn't say it's not a good start. The standings sure, I would like our pick to be top 5 because we need elite talent, but Wolf, Zary and Coronato showing major progress is a positive.

Pieces of the core are starting to form now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I'm going to assume Zary, Coronato, and Bahl. My guesses;

Zary - 3 x $3.5MM
Coronato - 3 x $3MM
Bahl - 5 x $5MM

I would like both Zary and Coronato to sign long term, but I feel they would want a bridge and go big for their next contract.

If we pay up they will sign, and I think Conroy wants to lock them up long term.

Those 3 along with Wolf should take up a good portion of our cap space that people think is just available in droves.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'd argue the rebuild has barely begun, and it is not going well this year.

This team should be picking top 5, and instead we are on schedule to pick somewhere between 15th and 32nd. This is not a good start to the rebuild at all.

We need elite players and you can only find those near the top of the draft usually. Unless you are Vegas and players are begging to come to your roster.

I’d say we’re on track to pick, twice, in the 25-32 range.

Good/bad? Matter of perspective I suppose but I suspect there will be a few in the Flames front office who will take the year of growth exhibited by Wolf, Zary, and Coronato in particular as a win.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by stemit14

There is some speculation that the cap could go up by $9 million next year. Putting it to $97 million.



Huberdeau-Kadri-Posposil
Sharangovich-Zary-Pelletier
Coleman-Backlund-Coronato
Lomberg-xxxx-Kirkland
Duehr

Weegar-Hanley
Andersson-Bahl
Bean-Pachal
Miromanov

Wolf
Cooley

I don’t see many opportunities for more young players on that roster next year when it’s healthy though.

Highly unlikely they re-sign Hanley. Even if they re-sign Duehr and Kirkland, their spots are not guaranteed. As for Bean and Miromanov, if anyone outplays them, those spots are up for grabs. There are plenty of available spots for kids next year.

Also, never assume the cap is going up as much as rumoured - if it does, great. But plan for less. I think it's a pretty safe bet that the cap only goes up by $5M next year.

[Roof-Daddy]

Flames had potentially one of their best drafts they've ever had in 2024. They picked 10 players overall and 6 times in the first three rounds.
Flames have 17 picks in the next two draft, including four 1st rounders and they haven't sold this year yet
Flames look like they've drafted and developed a legit 23 year old starting goalie who appears like he'll be in the Vezina conversation for possibly the next decade

"Rebuild isn't going very well"

Hahaha

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I wouldn't say it's not a good start. The standings sure, I would like our pick to be top 5 because we need elite talent, but Wolf, Zary and Coronato showing major progress is a positive.

Pieces of the core are starting to form now.

Wolf we can be excited about. It's nice to have a great goalie.

I more see Zary and Coronato as secondary type players. I'm happy for their development, but they aren't the Mackinnon/Barkov/Crosby type players that you need to put you over the top. I more see them as long term 2nd line players.

You can only find these elite players at the beginning of the draft.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Flames had potentially one of their best drafts they've ever had in 2024. They picked 10 players overall and 6 times in the first three rounds.
Flames have 17 picks in the next two draft, including four 1st rounders and they haven't sold this year yet
Flames look like they've drafted and developed a legit 23 year old starting goalie who appears like he'll be in the Vezina conversation for possibly the next decade

"Rebuild isn't going very well"

Hahaha

It's a good start.

As someone who's been screaming for more at-bats for our amateur scouts to do what they've done so well, it's great. And please Craig, hang on to the picks. Let the scouts cook and see what they can inject into this organization.

I'd love to see 2 of those picks be top 5-10 picks, as that would go a LONG way to injecting the kind of quality the organization is sorely lacking.

4 first rounders is one thing, but if we're talking picks ~17-30, it's good, not great.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Wolf we can be excited about. It's nice to have a great goalie.

I more see Zary and Coronato as secondary type players. I'm happy for their development, but they aren't the Mackinnon/Barkov/Crosby type players that you need to put you over the top. I more see them as long term 2nd line players.

You can only find these elite players at the beginning of the draft.

I don't think you will find anyone disagreeing that we need elite talent, but we can't discount what Zary and Coronato are doing. We need 2nd liners and good ones as well.

I think if we slap elite talent next to Coronato he is a 1st line RW who can score 30-40 goals.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Flames had potentially one of their best drafts they've ever had in 2024. They picked 10 players overall and 6 times in the first three rounds.

If Parekh and Mews both develop to their full potential, we may have found two top-four, maybe even two top-two, defensemen in the same draft at the same time - which would be goddamn unreal. This draft, so far, is looking to be quite the valuable gold mine for Calgary.

[FBI]

Two top2 D and 1 elite goalie would be fantastic start..
Zary could be a #2C also..

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'd argue the rebuild has barely begun, and it is not going well this year.

This team should be picking top 5, and instead we are on schedule to pick somewhere between 15th and 32nd. This is not a good start to the rebuild at all.

We need elite players and you can only find those near the top of the draft usually. Unless you are Vegas and players are begging to come to your roster.

So if the Flames don’t draft top 5 this year why is that a massive set-back? You can only control the things that are controllable. Getting a top 10 pick isn’t one of those. But this team is tracking to be worse near-term (next season, season after, etc) than better. A lot of us expected that they would start to bottom out this year, but that’s not happening but the core is aging and the roster won’t be better next year.

I just don't understand what you expected the team to do in order to assure themselves of a top 5 finish.

[Bonded]

The only way to guratnee a bottom 5 finish is trading Andersson and Wolf. Trading Andersson now probably gets them to a bottom 10 finish

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Highly unlikely they re-sign Hanley. Even if they re-sign Duehr and Kirkland, their spots are not guaranteed. As for Bean and Miromanov, if anyone outplays them, those spots are up for grabs. There are plenty of available spots for kids next year.

Also, never assume the cap is going up as much as rumoured - if it does, great. But plan for less. I think it's a pretty safe bet that the cap only goes up by $5M next year.

Not really a concern either way if the cap goes up or not. The flames under this plan will still have plenty of cap space. And that’s assuming long term deals for Zary and Coronato. It is correct that cap space can fill up quickly but the flames have quite a bit of cap coming off the books just from Mantha, Kuzmenko, Rooney and Barrie becoming UFAs. Those 4 combine for $11.5 million in salary. Not re-signing them would basically cover the increases in salary for Zary and Coronato if they both go from around $900,000 cap hits each this year to say $7 million cap hits next year.

The flames should be in good shape cap-wise for the next few years even with a long-term deal for Wolf. Say he signs for an $8 million AAV long-term. That starts in the 2026-2027 season. Coleman ($4.5 million AAV) becomes a UFA the following season. His contract ending covers more than half of Wolf’s increase in cap hit. Also, Markstrom’s retained salary ($1.88 million) ends the same year Wolf’s new deal will start.

It gets a little tighter with an Andersson signing if it ends up being say $9 million AAV. But even then, his increase in salary is almost covered by Backlund ($4.5 million AAV) potentially retiring when his contract is up in 2026.

Basically, they could sign Zary, Coronato, Wolf and Andersson to AAVs of $7 million, $7 million, $8 million and $9 million, respectively. And they would have close to the same total team salary as they have now once Coleman and Backlund retire or leave to free agency. Obviously that’s not accounting for contracts for other new players they bring in either internally or through trades and UFA signings. But it shows there is a path forward with money in = money out.

I just hope Conroy does not go spending in free agency any time soon especially on long term deals. The team has lots of young talent (Parekh, Honzek, Brz, Mews, Basha, etc.) on the way up that, in 3-4 years time, could be needing 2nd contracts in short succession. Would hate for a situation to arise like what happened with Tkachuk where Treliving had to bridge Tkachuk because he had spent too much money on vets/free agents. That didn’t leave enough cap space to lock in a young core piece long term.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Wolf we can be excited about. It's nice to have a great goalie.

I more see Zary and Coronato as secondary type players. I'm happy for their development, but they aren't the Mackinnon/Barkov/Crosby type players that you need to put you over the top. I more see them as long term 2nd line players.

You can only find these elite players at the beginning of the draft.

Kucherov, Kaprizov, Point, Stone all say hi. From the past even more - Iginla, Datsyuk, Bergeron, Marchand, Pavelski, Hull, Robitaille.